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Off-Duty Cop Fatally Shoots Ex-Wife In Front Of Daughter

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Off-Duty Cop Phil Seidle Allegedly Chases Down, Fatally Shoots Ex-Wife In Front Of Daughter

I am always amazed how people lose their mind over child custody issues. I am not defending this cop, I just...Well, honestly, I know so much about the court battles between parents, believe me that's really awful. I wish everyone would stop and think and act like adult humans. If you just grab your gun and start shooting...it's not the best way to solve the problem, you know, right?
 
He'll be put on paid leave and he'll receive a written reprimand. Otherwise there's really nothing unusual here.
 
Yeah I'm sure the police apologists here will say she deserved to be shot because she resisted. Or it was her fault because she didn't listen to the cop. Or she was driving away from the cop trying to escape so he had a right to shoot her.

He should be charged with 1st degree murder. But he's a cop, so he'll probably be charged with something like illegally discharging his gun in city limits, get a fine and be back on the job in 30 days.
 
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In New Jersey, a cop can chase down his wife, shoot her in broad daylight, endanger a child... and some cops will figure out a way to make him surrender by talking... but in Cleveland, a cop couldn't figure out how to do the same thing with a 13 year old playing around with a toy.

As a matter of fact, some of the posters in this forum have claimed that Tamir Rice posed a threat and argued that he was dealt with accordingly because who knows? The situation might have turned into an Aurora-type of shooting. The level of bull**** we have to put up with from apologists in this forum really is amazing.

Anyways, sit back, and enjoy the acrobatics.
 
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In New Jersey, a cop can chase down his wife, shoot her in broad daylight, endanger a child... and some cops will figure out a way to make him surrender by talking... but in Cleveland, a cop couldn't figure out how to do the same thing with a 13 year old playing around with a toy.

As a matter of fact, some of the posters in this forum have claimed that Tamir Rice posed a threat and argued that he was dealt with accordingly because who knows? The situation might have turned into an Aurora-type of shooting. The level of bull**** we have to put up with from apologists in this forum really is amazing.

Anyways, sit back, and enjoy the acrobatics.

This post seems to be really off-topic and attempt to derail the thread, but it would have been better if the cops had not been so successful in talking the guy down from shooting himself.
 
This post seems to be really off-topic and attempt to derail the thread, but it would have been better if the cops had not been so successful in talking the guy down from shooting himself.

Lol, there is no attempt to derail as I am addressing the subject which includes how police handled this specific incident and compared it to those handled by police officers elsewhere. Actually, don't try and lecture me after less than 20 days on the forum. You'll end up looking stupid really fast.
 
this was a crazy out of control d00d with a gun, he was a "cop" by profession. I don't think you can relate the two together on this one.
 
this was a crazy out of control d00d with a gun, he was a "cop" by profession. I don't think you can relate the two together on this one.

I agree, there are probably hundreds of domestic related murders a year, of course there is a chance a couple might be cops.
 
Off-Duty Cop Phil Seidle Allegedly Chases Down, Fatally Shoots Ex-Wife In Front Of Daughter

I am always amazed how people lose their mind over child custody issues. I am not defending this cop, I just...Well, honestly, I know so much about the court battles between parents, believe me that's really awful. I wish everyone would stop and think and act like adult humans. If you just grab your gun and start shooting...it's not the best way to solve the problem, you know, right?

Some people see violence and aggression as the only way to conduct human relations.

The government sets a fine example of that in its daily operations. It is probably true that violence begets violence.
 
In New Jersey, a cop can chase down his wife, shoot her in broad daylight, endanger a child... and some cops will figure out a way to make him surrender by talking... but in Cleveland, a cop couldn't figure out how to do the same thing with a 13 year old playing around with a toy.

As a matter of fact, some of the posters in this forum have claimed that Tamir Rice posed a threat and argued that he was dealt with accordingly because who knows? The situation might have turned into an Aurora-type of shooting. The level of bull**** we have to put up with from apologists in this forum really is amazing.

Anyways, sit back, and enjoy the acrobatics.

I would even think given the fact that the cops actually witnessed the guy murder someone it would be their duty to just shoot him dead. I mean that's ok if someone is just running away, passively resisting, or a kid in the park with a BB gun, why not murder right?
 
9 children? Is that even legal?
 
I know divorce is a very emotional charged event but cheese & rice you shoot your wife in front of your 7 year old daughter? That is just pathetic. Then you stand there holding the gun to your head but don't have the balls to pull it?


That poor child had to witness her mother being killed is outrageous and will live with that vivid memory until she is 80.
 
I would even think given the fact that the cops actually witnessed the guy murder someone it would be their duty to just shoot him dead. I mean that's ok if someone is just running away, passively resisting, or a kid in the park with a BB gun, why not murder right?

Well, it's clear that in incidents such as these ones, where no lives are in danger and nobody has been harmed, a different approach is required. In incidents involving mouthy 13 year olds, they precipitate police brutality and had it coming for not being saints.
 
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Lol, there is no attempt to derail as I am addressing the subject which includes how police handled this specific incident and compared it to those handled by police officers elsewhere. Actually, don't try and lecture me after less than 20 days on the forum. You'll end up looking stupid really fast.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to be insulting. It did appear as though you were trying to steer the thread toward a Tamir Rice discussion.

If you think it's a valid comparison, then I would say that you're drawing false parallels. The officer that shot Rice was not among the officers that surrounded this killer. No two people have quite the same reactions and people are not programmed robots. They make decisions based on their mental and emotional ability to do so, which relates to the events they've lived and their personal reactions to given situations.

As I mentioned, I found the effort the officers expended in talking the guy out of shooting himself to be counterproductive.

Personally, I think the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for this guy.
 
In New Jersey, a cop can chase down his wife, shoot her in broad daylight, endanger a child... and some cops will figure out a way to make him surrender by talking... but in Cleveland, a cop couldn't figure out how to do the same thing with a 13 year old playing around with a toy.

As a matter of fact, some of the posters in this forum have claimed that Tamir Rice posed a threat and argued that he was dealt with accordingly because who knows? The situation might have turned into an Aurora-type of shooting. The level of bull**** we have to put up with from apologists in this forum really is amazing.

Anyways, sit back, and enjoy the acrobatics.

Shoot her in broad daylight in front of other cops.
 
I know divorce is a very emotional charged event but cheese & rice you shoot your wife in front of your 7 year old daughter? That is just pathetic. Then you stand there holding the gun to your head but don't have the balls to pull it?
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I agree. It would have saved taxpayers a lot of money and time had he just pulled the trigger.
 
Off-Duty Cop Phil Seidle Allegedly Chases Down, Fatally Shoots Ex-Wife In Front Of Daughter

I am always amazed how people lose their mind over child custody issues. I am not defending this cop, I just...Well, honestly, I know so much about the court battles between parents, believe me that's really awful. I wish everyone would stop and think and act like adult humans. If you just grab your gun and start shooting...it's not the best way to solve the problem, you know, right?

Well, that is one way out of spousal support.
 
Yeah I'm sure the police apologists here will say she deserved to be shot because she resisted. Or it was her fault because she didn't listen to the cop. Or she was driving away from the cop trying to escape so he had a right to shoot her.

He should be charged with 1st degree murder. But he's a cop, so he'll probably be charged with something like illegally discharging his gun in city limits, get a fine and be back on the job in 30 days.

Come on, that's just really silly. This has nothing to do with any of the threads about police shootings recently. He did this off duty and it couldn't be any more obvious that he did it for personal reasons. There isn't anything to debate here, and no "police apologists" would suggest anything of the sort.

This is a clear cut domestic murder, and the fact that he makes his living as a police officer is not only irrelevant to the story, it's actually a distraction from the real danger which is domestic violence.
 
Come on, that's just really silly. This has nothing to do with any of the threads about police shootings recently. He did this off duty and it couldn't be any more obvious that he did it for personal reasons. There isn't anything to debate here, and no "police apologists" would suggest anything of the sort.

This is a clear cut domestic murder, and the fact that he makes his living as a police officer is not only irrelevant to the story, it's actually a distraction from the real danger which is domestic violence.

If he can convince a jury that he was stopping her for not wearing a seatbelt and that she reached for her waistband he might even be cleared of all charges.

And about off duty officers getting away with wild and zany antics...

Courtroom Erupts After CPD Detective Found Innocent in Off-Duty Fatal Shooting | NBC Chicago
 
Come on, that's just really silly. This has nothing to do with any of the threads about police shootings recently. He did this off duty and it couldn't be any more obvious that he did it for personal reasons. There isn't anything to debate here, and no "police apologists" would suggest anything of the sort.

This is a clear cut domestic murder, and the fact that he makes his living as a police officer is not only irrelevant to the story, it's actually a distraction from the real danger which is domestic violence.

Some of the time the police, the legal system, etc. see no 'difference' between off-duty and on-duty cops. Whether off-duty or on-duty the 'rules of engagement' are usually looked at as being the same. And because of that off duty cops often get away with committing crimes.

We'll see with this case. It seems to be premeditated, so 1st degree murder would be on the table. Also let's see how the Police Union handles this. This guy was 'off-duty' so the Union, and the Police dept. should say to him 'you're on your own'.. We'll see.
 
Some of the time the police, the legal system, etc. see no 'difference' between off-duty and on-duty cops. Whether off-duty or on-duty the 'rules of engagement' are usually looked at as being the same. And because of that off duty cops often get away with committing crimes.

We'll see with this case. It seems to be premeditated, so 1st degree murder would be on the table. Also let's see how the Police Union handles this. This guy was 'off-duty' so the Union, and the Police dept. should say to him 'you're on your own'.. We'll see.

It does seem premeditated but any man who does this can get it knocked to 2nd degree with the right lawyer. "It was heat of the moment, he just went to talk to her", etc.

The Union should absolutely stay out of this because it isn't a police matter in that he was acting as a police man. He was acting as a crazy ex-husband, something we sadly see too often. I think he will get the book thrown at him pretty quickly, as he should.

Damn, can you imagine that poor daughter watching her father slaughter her mother? What an asshole he is.
 
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This is a clear cut domestic murder, and the fact that he makes his living as a police officer is not only irrelevant to the story, it's actually a distraction from the real danger which is domestic violence.

I agree. The only thing that is relevant here is the specter of domestic violence. The man was, first and foremost, an angry husband, given to violence. The fact that his career was in law enforcement doesn't have anything to do with officers in general.
 
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