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Rachel Dolezal resigns as NAACP leader amid racial identity controversy

From the Seattle CBS affiliate:

Dolezal’s statement reads, “While challenging the construct of race is at the core of evolving human consciousness, we can NOT afford to lose sight of the five Game Changers (Criminal Justice & Public Safety, Health & Healthcare, Education, Economic Sustainability, and Voting Rights & Political Representation) that affect millions, often with a life or death outcome. The movement is larger than a moment in time or a single person’s story, and I hope that everyone offers their robust support of the Journey for Justice campaign that the NAACP launches today!

“It is with complete allegiance to the cause of racial and social justice and the NAACP that I step aside from the Presidency and pass the baton to my Vice President, Naima Quarles-Burnley. It is my hope that by securing a beautiful office for the organization in the heart of downtown, bringing the local branch into financial compliance, catalyzing committees to do strategic work in the five Game Changer issues, launching community forums, putting the membership on a fast climb, and helping many individuals find the legal, financial and practical support needed to fight race-based discrimination, I have positioned the Spokane NAACP to buttress this transition.” Rachel Dolezal Resigns As NAACP Leader Amid Controversy « CBS Seattle

Gobbledegook which is often done when there is no/can't give an answer. What is brought to the fore are the issues of integrity and honesty I believe.
 
Some history:

"Johnny Otis[1] (born Ioannis Alexandres Veliotes, December 28, 1921 – January 17, 2012) was an American singer, musician, composer, arranger, bandleader, talent scout, disc jockey, record producer, television show host, artist, author, journalist, minister, and impresario.[2] A seminal influence on American R&B and rock and roll, Otis discovered artists such as Little Esther, Big Mama Thornton, Jackie Wilson, Little Willie John and Hank Ballard and Etta James. Known as the original "King of Rock & Roll",[1] he is commonly referred to as the "Godfather of Rhythm and Blues".[3]

Otis was born to Greek immigrants Alexander J. Veliotes, a Mare Island longshoreman and grocery store owner, and his wife, the former Irene Kiskakes, a painter.[1][4] He had a younger sister, Dorothy, and a younger brother, Nicholas A. Veliotes, former U.S. Ambassador to both Jordan (1978–1981) and Egypt (1984–1986)). He grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood in Berkeley, California, where his father owned a neighborhood grocery store. Otis became well known for his choice to live his professional and personal life as a member of the African-American community.[5][6][7] He wrote, "As a kid I decided that if our society dictated that one had to be black or white, I would be black."[8]..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Otis


"Milton Mesirow, better known as Mezz Mezzrow (November 9, 1899 – August 5, 1972) was an American jazz clarinetist and saxophonist from Chicago, Illinois.[1] Mezzrow is well known for organizing and financing historic recording sessions with Tommy Ladnier and Sidney Bechet. Mezzrow also recorded a number of times with Bechet and briefly acted as manager for Louis Armstrong. He is equally well remembered, however, for being a colorful character, as clearly portrayed in his autobiography Really the Blues, as for his music....Mezzrow praised and admired the African-American style. In his autobiography Really the Blues, Mezzrow writes that from the moment he heard jazz he "was going to be a Negro musician, hipping [teaching] the world about the blues the way only Negroes can."

Mezzrow married a black woman, Mae (also known as Johnnie Mae), moved to Harlem, New York, and declared himself a "voluntary Negro." In 1940 he was caught by the police to be in possession of sixty joints trying to enter a jazz club at the 1939 New York World's Fair, with intent to distribute. When he was sent to jail, he insisted to the guards that he was black and was transferred to the segregated prison's black section....." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezz_Mezzrow
 
From the Seattle CBS affiliate:

Dolezal’s statement reads, “While challenging the construct of race is at the core of evolving human consciousness, we can NOT afford to lose sight of the five Game Changers (Criminal Justice & Public Safety, Health & Healthcare, Education, Economic Sustainability, and Voting Rights & Political Representation) that affect millions, often with a life or death outcome. The movement is larger than a moment in time or a single person’s story, and I hope that everyone offers their robust support of the Journey for Justice campaign that the NAACP launches today!

“It is with complete allegiance to the cause of racial and social justice and the NAACP that I step aside from the Presidency and pass the baton to my Vice President, Naima Quarles-Burnley. It is my hope that by securing a beautiful office for the organization in the heart of downtown, bringing the local branch into financial compliance, catalyzing committees to do strategic work in the five Game Changer issues, launching community forums, putting the membership on a fast climb, and helping many individuals find the legal, financial and practical support needed to fight race-based discrimination, I have positioned the Spokane NAACP to buttress this transition.” Rachel Dolezal Resigns As NAACP Leader Amid Controversy « CBS Seattle

Brazenly self-aggrandizing even now. :roll:
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The woman needs professional psychiatric help.
 
Some history:

"Johnny Otis[1] (born Ioannis Alexandres Veliotes, December 28, 1921 – January 17, 2012) was an American singer, musician, composer, arranger, bandleader, talent scout, disc jockey, record producer, television show host, artist, author, journalist, minister, and impresario.[2] A seminal influence on American R&B and rock and roll, Otis discovered artists such as Little Esther, Big Mama Thornton, Jackie Wilson, Little Willie John and Hank Ballard and Etta James. Known as the original "King of Rock & Roll",[1] he is commonly referred to as the "Godfather of Rhythm and Blues".[3]

Otis was born to Greek immigrants Alexander J. Veliotes, a Mare Island longshoreman and grocery store owner, and his wife, the former Irene Kiskakes, a painter.[1][4] He had a younger sister, Dorothy, and a younger brother, Nicholas A. Veliotes, former U.S. Ambassador to both Jordan (1978–1981) and Egypt (1984–1986)). He grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood in Berkeley, California, where his father owned a neighborhood grocery store. Otis became well known for his choice to live his professional and personal life as a member of the African-American community.[5][6][7] He wrote, "As a kid I decided that if our society dictated that one had to be black or white, I would be black."[8]..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Otis


"Milton Mesirow, better known as Mezz Mezzrow (November 9, 1899 – August 5, 1972) was an American jazz clarinetist and saxophonist from Chicago, Illinois.[1] Mezzrow is well known for organizing and financing historic recording sessions with Tommy Ladnier and Sidney Bechet. Mezzrow also recorded a number of times with Bechet and briefly acted as manager for Louis Armstrong. He is equally well remembered, however, for being a colorful character, as clearly portrayed in his autobiography Really the Blues, as for his music....Mezzrow praised and admired the African-American style. In his autobiography Really the Blues, Mezzrow writes that from the moment he heard jazz he "was going to be a Negro musician, hipping [teaching] the world about the blues the way only Negroes can."

Mezzrow married a black woman, Mae (also known as Johnnie Mae), moved to Harlem, New York, and declared himself a "voluntary Negro." In 1940 he was caught by the police to be in possession of sixty joints trying to enter a jazz club at the 1939 New York World's Fair, with intent to distribute. When he was sent to jail, he insisted to the guards that he was black and was transferred to the segregated prison's black section....." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezz_Mezzrow

So . . . you're saying this would be OK if Dolezal were a musician?

:mrgreen:
 
If I identify as black does that mean I could get reparations?
 
So . . . you're saying this would be OK if Dolezal were a musician?

:mrgreen:

Just pointing out that she is not the first person to choose to identify as black, although Mezzrow and Otis never represented themselves as born that way.
 
If I identify as black does that mean I could get reparations?

Yes, your certificate for 40 acres and a mule will be sent within 90 days after your certification of blackness is received.
 
Just pointing out that she is not the first person to choose to identify as black, although Mezzrow and Otis never represented themselves as born that way.

Fair enough. In the world of jazz being black was plausibly an advantage. I remember heated debates among afficionados whether this or that white jazz musician could swing.
 
Fair enough. In the world of jazz being black was plausibly an advantage. I remember heated debates among afficionados whether this or that white jazz musician could swing.

It was rather a challenge, however, when needing a place to stay or a bite to eat after a gig, though.
 
The woman needs professional psychiatric help.

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

:agree: Any time I read something as unusual as this, my first thought is "what's the reason for this?" Whatever gave her the idea to even consider applying for the job in the first place? Proving some kind of point? Sibling rivalry, since her parents adopted four black children? Plus, she's only had the job since January of this year---why resign after six months?

In any event, we've had transgender as a topic - is transracial next? :shock:
 
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

:agree: Any time I read something as unusual as this, my first thought is "what's the reason for this?" Whatever gave her the idea to even consider applying for the job in the first place? Proving some kind of point? Sibling rivalry, since her parents adopted four black children? Plus, she's only had the job since January of this year---why resign after six months?

In any event, we've had transgender as a topic - is transracial next? :shock:

Greetings Polgara.:2wave:

I don't think transgender and transracial are equivalent, but I'm sure the argument will be made.:shock:
 
"challenging the construct of race is at the core of evolving human consciousness"

Its established that your gender is a choice, so why not your race! Can't wait for someone to argue they are a platypus. I'm ok with that so long as they were a fedora.

when there is affirmative action for Monotremes or set asides for scholarships for egg laying mammals, who knows, someone might
 
Greetings Polgara.:2wave:

I don't think transgender and transracial are equivalent, but I'm sure the argument will be made.:shock:

I am somehow reminded of the Army slogan "Be All You Can Be." :mrgreen:
 
There's always a trade-off.

Well, sure. But there's a difference between being a starving artist and not being allowed to use the bathroom at the venue where you're performing.
 
Well, sure. But there's a difference between being a starving artist and not being allowed to use the bathroom at the venue where you're performing.

I'm not claiming it was ideal, but in the world of jazz being black was not always a disadvantage.
 
Greetings Polgara.:2wave:

I don't think transgender and transracial are equivalent, but I'm sure the argument will be made.:shock:

It's actually kind of fascinating. I was watching an interview on CNN today and the black guests were saying how you can't just choose to be black because you can't possibly have the same experiences and understanding of the prejudices of the past. Yet these same people figure that a man can be a woman just by taking some chems and going under the knife.

This whole notion of "it's right because I feel like it's right" is pure insanity.
 
Sorry

But the duty of parents stops at lying for their child regarding their race

Was there a requirement that the parents talk to the media?
 
Was there a requirement that the parents talk to the media?

Their daughter wrote them out of her life because she didn't want anyone to see her white parents.

I'm guessing this is a desperation move to get their daughter back.
 
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