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ISIS terrorists using chaotic Libya as new ‘route to the West’

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Sources: ISIS terrorists using chaotic Libya as new
So it looks like ISIS can't be stopped anymore. While Obama was too busy with helping Kurds to fight for their independence from Iraq and Syria jihadists captured some important settlements and towns in Libya. ISIS is spreading around like cancer and it seems like nothing can stop them anymore since it doesn't look like they have a central authority. And now they are heading towards Europe en masse pretending to be refugees. Is there any possible way to stop them?
 
So...every place America tried to determine who should lead that country has turned into a complete mess and the vacuum is being filled by extremists. Iraq, Libya, Syria..all had America butt in to their affairs by force and all are complete messes.

Well duh...I could have told you that years ago.


Neocons are FAR more of a threat to America then ISIS could ever dream of being.
 
So...every place America tried to determine who should lead that country has turned into a complete mess and the vacuum is being filled by extremists. Iraq, Libya, Syria..all had America butt in to their affairs by force and all are complete messes.

Well duh...I could have told you that years ago.


Neocons are FAR more of a threat to America then ISIS could ever dream of being.

Those places were hell to begin with and powder kegs waiting to explode. The major problem might have been too little stomach for the necessities, too much crossfire from other actors and too little support from the International community.
 
So...every place America tried to determine who should lead that country has turned into a complete mess and the vacuum is being filled by extremists. Iraq, Libya, Syria..all had America butt in to their affairs by force and all are complete messes.

Well duh...I could have told you that years ago.


Neocons are FAR more of a threat to America then ISIS could ever dream of being.

See! It's what we've been saying all along, you and I.
 
Those places were hell to begin with and powder kegs waiting to explode. The major problem might have been too little stomach for the necessities, too much crossfire from other actors and too little support from the International community.

That's total bull****. Gaddafi ran that place since he was 27. And a decade ago he began nicely co-operating with the Bush administration because he didn't want to get Iraqed!! So much for that.
 
Sources: ISIS terrorists using chaotic Libya as new
So it looks like ISIS can't be stopped anymore. While Obama was too busy with helping Kurds to fight for their independence from Iraq and Syria jihadists captured some important settlements and towns in Libya. ISIS is spreading around like cancer and it seems like nothing can stop them anymore since it doesn't look like they have a central authority. And now they are heading towards Europe en masse pretending to be refugees. Is there any possible way to stop them?

I think we should leave it to the initiatives of our allies and help them, where we can. We do not have the stomach for these things; can't take the collateral damage and conflicts with our ideas of humane behavior.
 
That's total bull****. Gaddafi ran that place since he was 27. And a decade ago he began nicely co-operating with the Bush administration because he didn't want to get Iraqed!! So much for that.

You do like the myopic view. Don't you.
 
You do like the myopic view. Don't you.

And look at the view that compared Gaddafi's Libya with today's Libya. :shock:
 
And look at the view that compared Gaddafi's Libya with today's Libya. :shock:

And? Of course it is bad. Revolt and revolution are always bad. What do you think? Don't be silly.
 
Sources: ISIS terrorists using chaotic Libya as new
So it looks like ISIS can't be stopped anymore. While Obama was too busy with helping Kurds to fight for their independence from Iraq and Syria jihadists captured some important settlements and towns in Libya. ISIS is spreading around like cancer and it seems like nothing can stop them anymore since it doesn't look like they have a central authority. And now they are heading towards Europe en masse pretending to be refugees. Is there any possible way to stop them?

So let me get this straigh. Bush destabilizing Iraq and occupying it leading to a civil war thus, in which ISIS was essentially formed out of, is not Bushs' fault.. But Libya in which Obama bombed, and helped destabilize, thus leaving room for a civil war and ISIS to form in, IS Obamas fault... Tell me, where is the hypocrisy in such statements?
 
And? Of course it is bad. Revolt and revolution are always bad. What do you think? Don't be silly.

Don't be dismissive of the mess that the US/NATO created in Libya.
 
Don't be dismissive of the mess that the US/NATO created in Libya.

I think you overestimate the role played by the allies. Autocracies are brittle things. When they loose their grip it can become very messy and only a small pressure can shatter, what seemed like steel.
 
So let me get this straigh. Bush destabilizing Iraq and occupying it leading to a civil war thus, in which ISIS was essentially formed out of, is not Bushs' fault.. But Libya in which Obama bombed, and helped destabilize, thus leaving room for a civil war and ISIS to form in, IS Obamas fault... Tell me, where is the hypocrisy in such statements?

Only a very shallow analysis would miss that the main problems of autocratic systems are inherent and periodic destruction quite normal. The only question is when it will happen; not what will trigger it.
 
That's total bull****. Gaddafi ran that place since he was 27. And a decade ago he began nicely co-operating with the Bush administration because he didn't want to get Iraqed!! So much for that.

And in the last year of his life, Gaddafi was murdering his own people. He deserved to die.

Obama and the rest of the world were too lazy to stick around long enough to help bring stability to the country.
 
I think you overestimate the role played by the allies. Autocracies are brittle things. When they loose their grip it can become very messy and only a small pressure can shatter, what seemed like steel.

Exactly the point, so don't pry the grip lose.
 
And in the last year of his life, Gaddafi was murdering his own people. He deserved to die.

Obama and the rest of the world were too lazy to stick around long enough to help bring stability to the country.

The US has stuck around for a couple decades, and stability isn't a bi product anywhere.
 
Obama and the rest of the world were too lazy to stick around long enough to help bring stability to the country.

That is because Obama is too busy taking selfies and mulligans to care about crushing evil.....and he thinks that the US military is evil. He think the world is looting arsonist rioters, and America is the white cops.
 
Sources: ISIS terrorists using chaotic Libya as new
So it looks like ISIS can't be stopped anymore. While Obama was too busy with helping Kurds to fight for their independence from Iraq and Syria jihadists captured some important settlements and towns in Libya. ISIS is spreading around like cancer and it seems like nothing can stop them anymore since it doesn't look like they have a central authority. And now they are heading towards Europe en masse pretending to be refugees. Is there any possible way to stop them?

It's not Obama; that's the first point. Our country is SICK of warring and this situation is exactly the same as Vietnam as it now stands. So, it's the US public that is deciding how the president acts with this. Obama is trying to play this out in a way that keeps US (and our kids) at arms length, in an effort I think to draw in some of the local nations to spend their resources defending their own region. The EU has decided to take offensive steps on the Libyan trafficking; which is a great way to smuggle terrorists into Europe BTW. I think that Obama just isn't tipping his hand because he can't get the local players to agree yet. Moreover, the Saudis are up to their necks in sponsoring ISIS so I'm sure that has a great deal to do with it.

Now, I will very much agree with the idea of urgency, because quite frankly I see no difference between ISIL's movements and Blitzkrieg. Having said that, ISIS is said to be rattling their swords toward Europe ala The Moors, and in my mind, I wish they would cross and try some of that so that the western world can just put a quick end to this crap.
 
That is a matter of opinion and circumstance.

Yes it is.

The public by a wide margin says the United States does not have a responsibility to do something about the fighting between government forces and anti-government groups in Libya. And while opinion is divided over enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya, this view is undercut by the fact that Americans overwhelmingly oppose bombing Libyan military air defenses.

Public Wary of Military Intervention in Libya | Pew Research Center
 
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