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Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

fmw said:
The federal government is capable of making anything worse and it usually does.
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Veterans Affairs, Airport Security and healthcare are perfect examples.
 
Roadvirus said:
Laugh at it all you want, but this Administration has made "Government Overreach" it's top priority.
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Lol. I'll keep laughing. It's election time, so you'll need a wedge issue. However, this is NOT the one you want to pick.
 
jonny5 said:
Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect: What Consumers Should Expect - Forbes

If you havent already you can read the entire 400 pages of rulings by the FCC where they unilaterally declared that they have the power to regulate the internet.

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf

Not a court, or a democratically chosen body, but a bunch of bureaucrats. But anyway, its too late. The internet is now under the observation of the US govt and theyve come to help. Expect higher prices, stifled innovation, and govt monopolies.
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What timeframe of that not happening will be required for you to admit you were wrong? A month? Six? A year?
 
Incidentally, I did read their 400 page document and it's not doing anything remotely resembling the OP's fears.
 
Hatuey said:
Does the "fm" in your name stand for fear mongering? Call me when you have something a little bit more substantial? Thanks.
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I'm making a prediction based on experience. You disagree with it. What is the point in calling you? If you can't see that the government normally makes things worse, then I can't help you see it.
 
Deuce said:
Incidentally, I did read their 400 page document and it's not doing anything remotely resembling the OP's fears.
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The OP's fears aren't based on a document. They are based on the future.
 
Roadvirus said:
Veterans Affairs, Airport Security and healthcare are perfect examples.
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No need to stop there. I can't think of single government function that works better than it did in, say, the 1950's when government actually tried to do the right thing.
 
Roadvirus said:
Laugh at it all you want, but this Administration has made "Government Overreach" it's top priority.
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Here's the problem. While its undeniable that the Obama administration has brought us plenty of "government overreach", it's equally undeniable that the Bush administration delivered plenty as well. But just like the guy you're talking to excuses the Obama administration, you excused the Bush administration. Easy for him to point at Bush, and you to point at Obama, neither of you willing to hold your own party responsible, so we have every assurance that we'll see more in the next administration. This is what happens when you guys put your damn party before the country.
 
Hatuey said:
You do realize that the reason this was unilaterally declared was because the general public raised a stink about the issue to the point where it could not be ignored? Now imagine what will happen if it is 'reversed' by a future administration.
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Just wait when the ISPs, in order to comply with the government regulations, will have to waste their money, and hike the rates for getting even less for your money than before. Sure to happen.

fmw said:
Just wait until the serious "regulation" starts. Those same people will be squealing like pigs. Give the government a handful of power and it will take an arm load.
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Yep. No business is going to take a loss to comply with government regulations. They'll be forced to hike their prices. It's the cost of government interference in the marketplace.

Just remember, it's the same government that didn't notice the Chinese snooping and copying confidential personnel records for over a year that's now going to decide what's best for you and your ISP. Oh I can't wait for the squealing will start. Suddenly, that, what used to be free, Tweet is going to cost you something.
 
eohrnberger said:
Just wait when the ISPs, in order to comply with the government regulations, will have to waste their money, and hike the rates for getting even less for your money than before. Sure to happen.
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Oh gosh, what government regulations? You mean the standards which they were already following for the better part of the last 20 years? Good grief stop with this silly hyperbole.
 
fmw said:
No need to stop there. I can't think of single government function that works better than it did in, say, the 1950's when government actually tried to do the right thing.
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Yes indeed, those good ole Eisenhower days. When taxes on the top income bracket was +90% and look at these seven planks from the 1956 Republican Party platform. Sanders and Eisenhower would be the best of buds today!

1. Provide federal assistance to low-income communities;

2. Protect Social Security;

3. Provide asylum for refugees;

4. Extend minimum wage;

5. Improve unemployment benefit system so it covers more people;

6. Strengthen labor laws so workers can more easily join a union;

7. Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...meme-says-1956-republican-platform-was-prett/
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Exactly, if ISPs only have each other to compete against, why would they bother trying to be better than the other guy to win over his customer?
What's in it for the ISPs?
Why should the ISPs try to get more customers (and thus mo'money) now that there's "Net neutrality"?


:roll:
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To be fair, the way the internet providers work, they essentially have regional monopolies in most areas of the country already. That was one of the primary reasons for the passage of Net Neutrality.
 
Montecresto said:
Yes indeed, those good ole Eisenhower days. When taxes on the top income bracket was +90% and look at these seven planks from the 1956 Republican Party platform. Sanders and Eisenhower would be the best of buds today!

1. Provide federal assistance to low-income communities;

2. Protect Social Security;

3. Provide asylum for refugees;

4. Extend minimum wage;

5. Improve unemployment benefit system so it covers more people;

6. Strengthen labor laws so workers can more easily join a union;

7. Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex.

Viral meme says 1956 Republican platform was pretty liberal | PolitiFact
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I wasn't talking about politics. I was saying that the government was more efficient and effective in those days. Sorry you missed the 50's. It was a golden age.
 
fmw said:
I wasn't talking about politics. I was saying that the government was more efficient and effective in those days. Sorry you missed the 50's. It was a golden age.
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Lol, talking about government efficiency isn't talking about politics. Ok, it was those things in Eisenhower's platform that produced the efficiency you admired. And maybe you were just a kid and it all seemed so wonderful.
 
eohrnberger said:
Just wait when the ISPs, in order to comply with the government regulations, will have to waste their money, and hike the rates for getting even less for your money than before. Sure to happen.



Yep. No business is going to take a loss to comply with government regulations. They'll be forced to hike their prices. It's the cost of government interference in the marketplace.

Just remember, it's the same government that didn't notice the Chinese snooping and copying confidential personnel records for over a year that's now going to decide what's best for you and your ISP. Oh I can't wait for the squealing will start. Suddenly, that, what used to be free, Tweet is going to cost you something.
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I'm beginning to believe that there really is a secret room in DC, that only a select few have electronic badges to enter, that is routinely used for the sole purpose of finding ways to make life miserable and more expensive for ordinary people. It has to be kept secret, for obvious reasons, because people gossip, and that would ruin many surprises before they are officially announced. More unwelcome changes to our life styles seem to be hatched up there than gets passed into law by Congress, and they aren't even elected - is that what is referred to as the "shadow government" group? Hateful creatures! :mrgreen:
 
fmw said:
The OP's fears aren't based on a document. They are based on the future.
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Same question to you, then:

On what timeframe will you admit you were wrong? How much time with none of these fears becoming reality before you are in error?
 
eohrnberger said:
Just wait when the ISPs, in order to comply with the government regulations, will have to waste their money, and hike the rates for getting even less for your money than before. Sure to happen.



Yep. No business is going to take a loss to comply with government regulations. They'll be forced to hike their prices. It's the cost of government interference in the marketplace.

Just remember, it's the same government that didn't notice the Chinese snooping and copying confidential personnel records for over a year that's now going to decide what's best for you and your ISP. Oh I can't wait for the squealing will start. Suddenly, that, what used to be free, Tweet is going to cost you something.
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Seeing as how net neutrality is how the internet has always been working, I don't really expect that will happen.

Also, net neutrality specifically bars ISPs from charging you extra for tweets. That's really the entire point.
 
Deuce said:
Seeing as how net neutrality is how the internet has always been working, I don't really expect that will happen.

Also, net neutrality specifically bars ISPs from charging you extra for tweets. That's really the entire point.
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Extra regulations & compliance reporting = more cost = higher prices? I'm thinking.
 
eohrnberger said:
Extra regulations & compliance reporting = more cost = higher prices? I'm thinking.
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Compliance reporting? You do know that you can test whether your provider is complying with net neutrality from your own home, right? They don't actually need to report it. If you notice your internet being ****ty around some websites, here are a few links to help you check on this:

How to Test if Your ISP is Throttling Your Internet Connection
Glasnost: Test if your ISP is shaping your traffic
How to Test for Bandwidth Limiting by Your ISP: 9 Steps
Net Neutrality Test

If you find that these tests show that your provider is indeed throttling your connection, I suggest you call them up and find out why you're getting a ****ty deal on your connection. If you won't, then you can thank them anyways for gouging you while giving you a ****ty connection. After all, that's the free market right?
 
Deuce said:
You're assuming.
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How often has it happened before?

Think back. It's the standard paradigm. To continue to do the same thing and expect a different outcome is what?
 
jonny5 said:
And how well would they be downloading whatever they want without the cable company who built the internet?
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Cable Companies didn't build the internet.
 
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