Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o
For his belt? If so that's not a threat... That's my point. If you watch the longer video, I can't tell the difference between him reaching for his gun and when he reached for his PHONE.
reaching for a gun in his belt is a thread. you lose.
At face value means the caller repeatedly said the gun is possibly/likely fake. There were not shots fired, no reports of assault, no reports of rape or murder. Someone waiving what is possibly/probably a fake gun was the call.
possibly is the key word here and the cops can't take that it is fake at face value. shots don't have to be fired. there doesn't need the rest of your made up reasoning either.
yep and that is a threat that the police responded to. someone waving a gun in a park.
The kindergarten comment was sarcasm, as you know. The sideways point is kids point fake guns at other people all the time, from a very young age. It's not a good idea and probably frowned upon these days, but it's not a capital offense.
no it wasn't your attempt at a strawman argument and a poor attempt to try and frame the argument with you appeals to emotion arguments.
Belt? Or pocket? Pulling up his drawers? Reaching for the gun to show them it's fake? We don't know, and the police didn't have time to do anything but shoot and kill him.
he was walking toward them pulling up his shirt and reaching for a gun. they didn't know if it was fake or not.
the logical thing to do was sit there and not do anything until the police tell him what to do.
What threat did the kid communicate to the cops that is more serious than you reaching inside your jacket? If the cops roll up on you and you reach for your ID, then they should, according to your theory, shoot you in the chest and kill you.
walking toward me showing a gun and reaching for it is a threat. me not doing anything and putting my hand inside of a jacket is not a threat.
why would I have my ID inside my jacket? next if they did I would tell them I have a gun and where it is located at.
if I ran at them opened my jacket and reached for a gun then I would expect to get shot.
But he'd been sitting at the table for several minutes, and the cops didn't review the video, so didn't see any of that. They had a report that said he was pointing what is probably/possibly a fake gun.
probably and possibly are irrelevant. and nothing they can go on.
There was no one nearby when they killed Rice, he was pointing at no one when he was killed.
they didn't have to be. there was people evidently around earlier as someone called the cops about it. if you watch the video I would be concerned with someone
running around pointing a gun in random directions at people.
of course I wouldn't do that because I have been taught proper gun handing skills and know how to handle guns in general. rule 1 you never point a gun at anything unless you intend
to shoot it.
And I thought you said the police's own safety was key. Now it's bystanders? OK, but what threat did he pose at that moment to anyone?
you are assuming the cops are psychic and know ever detail.
the only thing they know is a guy in a park with a gun. to them that is all that matters.
next guy with gun gets up pulls up his shirt and reaches for the gun.
Of course they shot with the intent to kill. That's what they're trained to do.
appeals to emotion are not arguments.
No, but if they suspect it's fake it absolutely changes the acceptable options. You're demanding they use no common sense and treat all threats the same.
you are demanding they be psychic and know exactly all details of a situation. I would have shot to had I saw someone walking towards me with their shirt pulled up reaching for a gun.
Call about multiple gunshots, person down feared dead, suspect was last seen at so and so park is just NOT THE SAME AS "hey, there's this person waving around a gun, I think it might be fake, but he's scaring people." Those are not equivalent situations and treating them as such is a failure of their duty.
this is your biased wrong opinion. there is no need to have a call with multiple guns shots and people possibly dead for the cops to do what they did.
person waving a gun around is enough for them to be in full alert mode.
nope their is no failure in their duty. they did their job as trained in that situation. unfortunately for them a kid was killed, however that kid should have never been in a park waving a gun around either.
