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Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

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LowDown said:
So you're saying he'd lie, then.
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I do not follow... can you explain why he would be lying?
 
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LowDown said:
Nope, if Sanders has left you with the impression that the 1% would pay for everything then you have been misled. The middle class always pays for this stuff because that's where the bulk of the money is.

Democrats always say they are going to sock the rich, and then the middle class finds out they're rich. A person has to be a real dunderhead to fall for that every time.
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What do you mean - that is where the bulk of the money is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States



In addition, wealth is unevenly distributed, with the wealthiest 25% of US households owning 87%[2] of the wealth in the United States, which was $54.2 trillion in 2009.[3][4]
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and if he shines the spotlight on corporate taxes - he would not be lying either

http://business.time.com/2012/02/06...ecades-is-big-business-paying-its-fair-share/

But there is another source of federal revenues that receives less attention: corporate income taxes. According to the Wall Street Journal’s recent study of Congressional Budget Office numbers, corporations are paying an effective rate of 12.1%, the lowest in at least 40 years.
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No lies - simply truth.

even the very rich admit to it

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-buffett-says-super-rich-pay-lower-taxes-oth/
 
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Montecresto said:
Yes, Bernies policies are destruction.

The CBS/NYT poll found that:

– 80% of Republicans believe that money has too much influence in our politics.

– 54% believed that most of the time candidates directly help those who gave money to them.

– 81% of Republicans felt that the campaign finance system needed fundamental changes (45%) or a complete rebuild (36%).

– 64% are pessimistic that changes will be made to reform the campaign finance system.

– 71% want to limit the amount that individuals can give to campaigns.

– 73% felt that super PAC spending should be limited by law.

– 76% thought that superPACs should be required to disclose their donors.

All of these positions are held by Bernie Sanders, and the opinion of the majority on each question is the exact opposite of the reasoning used by the majority of the Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision.
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Those aren't his policies.

I was refering to his 12 point plan to move America "forward ".

And when did the left start caring about money in Politics ?

Oh thats right, you started caring when the Unions lost their decades old monopoly.
 
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LowDown said:
Nope, if Sanders has left you with the impression that the 1% would pay for everything then you have been misled. The middle class always pays for this stuff because that's where the bulk of the money is.

Democrats always say they are going to sock the rich, and then the middle class finds out they're rich. A person has to be a real dunderhead to fall for that every time.
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And your misrepresenting me. I never said the rich would pay for everything, nor for that matter has Sanders. Of course the middle class pay taxes. That's the American way, no loafers right, personal responsibility and all those other wholesome GOP talking points. Not all talking points are without value though and you should support the idea of people paying for the privilege of being in the benefit of US citizenship and the rights that accompany it. We've been over the fact that Eisenhower (R) held a very very high tax rate on the most privileged top income earners, so certainly they paid more, but even then kept far more than average Americans. Also, that was as America was shooting for the moon, a strong middle class was emerging, and America was cementing herself as the superior power in the world. Having destroyed the manufacturing base in competitive countries due to WW11, industry was booming, and Eisenhower found a shovel ready job in an interstate highway system. You can tax and spend your way into prosperity. But you can't borrow and spend your way there.
 
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Fenton said:
Those aren't his policies.

I was refering to his 12 point plan to move America "forward ".

And when did the left start caring about money in Politics ?

Oh thats right, you started caring when the Unions lost their decades old monopoly.
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The unions represent "the people" and the people are the government and you should value empowering people, but you don't, you want the top 1% to hold all power! and you probably aren't even a 1%er, lol.

And to the bolded. Well, of course not, at this point they're his ideals, as they are of a majority, in some instances you may notice, a vast majority, of republicans. But we will have to elect him before they can become his polices, so let's get the word out, mach schnell!!
 
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Montecresto said:
The unions represent "the people" and the people are the government and you should value empowering people, but you don't, you want the top 1% to hold all power! and you probably aren't even a 1%er, lol.

And to the bolded. Well, of course not, at this point they're his ideals, as they are of a majority, in some instances you may notice, a vast majority, of republicans. But we will have to elect him before they can become his polices, so let's get the word out, mach schnell!!
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NO, the Unions represent themselves, not " the people ".

And no, he does not need to be elected for those policies to be his own.

Its HIS 12 point plan, and he's responsible for it.

And no I'm not a 1 percenter.

Dont need to be to know that idiotic policies meant to " redistribute the wealth " hurt the Middle class the most in the end.
 
Fenton said:
NO, the Unions represent themselves, not " the people ".

And no, he does not need to be elected for those policies to be his own.

Its HIS 12 point plan, and he's responsible for it.

And no I'm not a 1 percenter.

Dont need to be to know that idiotic policies meant to " redistribute the wealth " hurt the Middle class the most in the end.
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The unions represent the people, which is why they're such a threat to republicans that represent the corporations.

When ideals such as Sanders' are implemented, they become actual policies. Until then, they're just his ideals, and we'll need to get him elected for him to implement them.

And he would love to be responsible for its implementation.

Why do you consider taxes as a redistribution of the wealth? That darling term baked up in some extreme right gallery somewhere.
 
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BOOOYAAAHHH!!!

Poll: Bernie Gains on Hillary in New Hampshire

Bernie Sanders, the independent Democratic senator from Vermont, is within striking distance of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton in a new poll of likely New Hampshire presidential primary voters. A new survey from the Morning Consult finds 44 percent of New Hampshire voters who say they will vote in the Democratic primary support Clinton with 32 percent supporting Sanders.​

I can't wait to see Thrilla cast his vote for Bernie. :2razz:



Bernie Sanders 'Stunned' By Large Crowds Showing Up For Him

When Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders took the stage at Drake University in Des Moines Friday night, he got a standing ovation. The auditorium holds 700 people and it was packed, including the balcony.

In Keene, N.H. a thousand people showed up to see Sanders speak. They couldn't all fit in the room. Same thing happened in Minnesota — except the crowd was estimated at 5,000.

Sanders has an event scheduled Saturday in Denver, and already more than 3,000 people have registered to attend.​

No other candidate is drawing these sizes of crowds.
 
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poweRob said:
Here... have another:

Bernie Sanders Takes It to Wall Street With Financial Transactions Tax

Last week, Bernie Sanders, the Senator from Vermont and only announced challenger to Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, took a strong stand for everyday people. He proposed a financial transactions tax (FTT), effectively a Wall Street sales tax, and to use the revenue to make public colleges tuition free.​
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yeah he's a socialist. that is what socialists do-take money from some to pay for stuff others want for free
 
Montecresto said:
The unions represent the people, which is why they're such a threat to republicans that represent the corporations.

When ideals such as Sanders' are implemented, they become actual policies. Until then, they're just his ideals, and we'll need to get him elected for him to implement them.

And he would love to be responsible for its implementation.

Why do you consider taxes as a redistribution of the wealth? That darling term baked up in some extreme right gallery somewhere.
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unions represent union members, most importantly union bosses. Not people
 
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TurtleDude said:
yeah he's a socialist. that is what socialists do-take money from some to pay for stuff others want for free
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That's kind of what all taxes does. Regardless of what political persuasion you want to label the originator of said tax.
 
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poweRob said:
That's kind of what all taxes does. Regardless of what political persuasion you want to label the originator of said tax.
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some politicians want to tax people more to hand out more stuff
others do not. left-wingers tend to want to do it more than libertarians or hard core budget hawks like republican Steven Chabot (my congressman)
 
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TurtleDude said:
some politicians want to tax people more to hand out more stuff
others do not. left-wingers tend to want to do it more than libertarians or hard core budget hawks like republican Steven Chabot (my congressman)
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True, but even libertarians don't want to abolish all taxes. And any tax can be defined as what you just called socialism.
 
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poweRob said:
True, but even libertarians don't want to abolish all taxes. And any tax can be defined as what you just called socialism.
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I don't agree because that expands the concept of socialism far past its boundaries.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I don't agree because that expands the concept of socialism far past its boundaries.
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well the point of taxes at all is to redistribute money from some to benefit others.
 
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poweRob said:
well the point of taxes at all is to redistribute money from some to benefit others.
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I don't consider public roads, the police or fire or the army to meet that definition as opposed to AFDC, food stamps etc
 
VanceMack said:
Obviously not! You cite him as agreeing with 80% of republicans.

(I know you understand how stupid your comment is)
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You're so partisan that you can't recognize that there are many issues that the American people can come together on. I actually feel bad for you. You have a sad life.
 
reinoe said:
You're so partisan that you can't recognize that there are many issues that the American people can come together on. I actually feel bad for you. You have a sad life.
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Why don't you tell us those issues- I'd love to know
 
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azgreg said:
A Bernie Sanders presidency would be something to see that's for sure.
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except with such a broken congress, he has not much way to accomplish any of that
 
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TurtleDude said:
I don't consider public roads, the police or fire or the army to meet that definition as opposed to AFDC, food stamps etc
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Perhaps not as much but not all who pay taxes use all the roads that are paved. They are paying to pave it for others to drive on. All those programs are social to benefit society.
 
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poweRob said:
Perhaps not as much but not all who pay taxes use all the roads that are paved. They are paying to pave it for others to drive on. All those programs are social to benefit society.
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those who don't drive on roads still get mail or welfare checks etc delivered by vehicles that travel on the roads. You could probably count on one hand the number of people old enough to say read and write who could claim no benefits from the roads. many people do not benefit from stuff like AFDC or "welfare" or Medicaid etc
 
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TurtleDude said:
those who don't drive on roads still get mail or welfare checks etc delivered by vehicles that travel on the roads. You could probably count on one hand the number of people old enough to say read and write who could claim no benefits from the roads. many people do not benefit from stuff like AFDC or "welfare" or Medicaid etc
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Don't forget that AFDC and Food Stamps are such wonderful programs that they had to enter witness protection under the names TANF and SNAP.
 
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jmotivator said:
Don't forget that AFDC and Food Stamps are such wonderful programs that they had to enter witness protection under the names TANF and SNAP.
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when you ask collectivists why such programs are authorized by the constitution, we hear "general welfare"

now roads and the army and the police benefit the entire society. those programs benefit the general welfare. Giving some people benefits paid for by others is hardly "the general welfare"
 
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TurtleDude said:
those who don't drive on roads still get mail or welfare checks etc delivered by vehicles that travel on the roads. You could probably count on one hand the number of people old enough to say read and write who could claim no benefits from the roads. many people do not benefit from stuff like AFDC or "welfare" or Medicaid etc
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They benefit society in that a rising tide lifts all boats. Like your next door neighbor being on welfare keeps his house while a next door neighbor who loses their house because there is no welfare drags your property value down with his foreclosure.
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

Saw this and had to post it for the lulz...

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