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Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

Montecresto said:
I don't care about public officials motives. Higher wages and pensions is good for Americans.
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Not when it means other Americans have to pay more taxes and get lower quality services as as result
 
reinoe said:
You're so partisan that you can't recognize that there are many issues that the American people can come together on. I actually feel bad for you. You have a sad life.
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:lamo

Just out of curiosity...do you actually KNOW what they 'agreed' on? And are you TRULY stupid enough to believe that Bernie Sanders agrees with republicans on 80% of the issues?
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

TurtleDude said:
Not when it means other Americans have to pay more taxes and get lower quality services as as result
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Americans don't get lower quality service for the taxes they pay. You'd find out as soon as you got your wish to live in a right wing libertarian run country that it wouldn't be anything nice and you'd want to go back to the good ole days of socialism.
 
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VanceMack said:
:lamo

Just out of curiosity...do you actually KNOW what they 'agreed' on? And are you TRULY stupid enough to believe that Bernie Sanders agrees with republicans on 80% of the issues?
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That was never stated though, that's your spin. The point was that on the issue of CU, 80% of republicans agree with Sanders.
 
TurtleDude said:
Why don't you tell us those issues- I'd love to know
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No worries. Reinoe is kinda a stalker for me now. He responds with a healthy dose of snark. The fact that he doesnt even know what he is responding to or why isnt relevant to him as long as he can say something like "You have a sad life". He thinks its hurtful. He...doesnt know me very well. :lamo
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

Montecresto said:
That was never stated though, that's your spin. The point was that on the issue of CU, 80% of republicans agree with Sanders.
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Yes...your point is quite clear. Bernie Sanders is really a republican. :roll:

You cherry pick a SINGLE issue that there might be common ground and YOU declare "Republicans agree with Bernie Sanders!" But you and I have done this to death. Your little ploy was pathetic. You know it. I find it hard to believe you actually want to revisit it.
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

Montecresto said:
Americans don't get lower quality service for the taxes they pay. You'd find out as soon as you got your wish to live in a right wing libertarian run country that it wouldn't be anything nice and you'd want to go back to the good ole days of socialism.
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I think we'd be better off if public sector unions would go the way of the dinosaur. they do nothing but make the taxpayers pay more for less service
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

VanceMack said:
Yes...your point is quite clear. Bernie Sanders is really a republican. :roll:

You cherry pick a SINGLE issue that there might be common ground and YOU declare "Republicans agree with Bernie Sanders!" But you and I have done this to death. Your little ploy was pathetic. You know it. I find it hard to believe you actually want to revisit it.
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No, that's not my point, obviously nothing's clear to you.
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

TurtleDude said:
I think we'd be better off if public sector unions would go the way of the dinosaur. they do nothing but make the taxpayers pay more for less service
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Well they aren't.
 
VanceMack said:
No worries. Reinoe is kinda a stalker for me now. He responds with a healthy dose of snark. The fact that he doesnt even know what he is responding to or why isnt relevant to him as long as he can say something like "You have a sad life". He thinks its hurtful. He...doesnt know me very well. :lamo
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well my question to him remains unanswered
 
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Montecresto said:
Well they aren't.
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its true-public sector jobs are about the only place where global labor markets cannot currently kill off unions. but it will happen in time. and more and more public sector services will be outsourced to private sector contractors who can provide the same level of service for less money. and with productive citizens being overtaxed, that is a good thing
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

TurtleDude said:
its true-public sector jobs are about the only place where global labor markets cannot currently kill off unions. but it will happen in time. and more and more public sector services will be outsourced to private sector contractors who can provide the same level of service for less money. and with productive citizens being overtaxed, that is a good thing
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None of that's going to happen.
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

Montecresto said:
Good wages and higher pensions are good things.
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When they aren't tied to any discernible productivity requirements they are not a good thing. In the private sector a bad negotiation has consequences for all involved so occasionally both sides work together to a mutual goal, in the Public sector there is no goal other than more pay and less work. I've worked as a contractor in government offices for most of my adult life. It is the exceedingly rare government employee who earns their paycheck.
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

Montecresto said:
None of that's going to happen.
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All of that is already happening. Private contractors are a growing presence in Government agencies and have been for decades. In the offices I work the contractors make up the majority of the office work force.
 
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Montecresto said:
No, that's not my point, obviously nothing's clear to you.
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Your weak ass attempt was clear as a bell. Hey...Most conservatives believe the child sex slave trade is wrong. Do you agree with them? Yeah? Why...look at you you old conservative neocon republican you.

Yeah...thats EXACTLY how stupid your 'point' was.
 
TurtleDude said:
well my question to him remains unanswered
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Frankly...if he answers it he will have to spend a few minutes going back through the thread to find out what was even being discussed.
 
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VanceMack said:
Your weak ass attempt was clear as a bell. Hey...Most conservatives believe the child sex slave trade is wrong. Do you agree with them? Yeah? Why...look at you you old conservative neocon republican you.

Yeah...thats EXACTLY how stupid your 'point' was.
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It's not a single issue. Your ignoring the results of the poll I posted.
 
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jmotivator said:
When they aren't tied to any discernible productivity requirements they are not a good thing. In the private sector a bad negotiation has consequences for all involved so occasionally both sides work together to a mutual goal, in the Public sector there is no goal other than more pay and less work. I've worked as a contractor in government offices for most of my adult life. It is the exceedingly rare government employee who earns their paycheck.
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That's your opinion. There are many healthcare workers, police and fire, military, coast guard, and so many more that would disagree with you.
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

jmotivator said:
All of that is already happening. Private contractors are a growing presence in Government agencies and have been for decades. In the offices I work the contractors make up the majority of the office work force.
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It's not going to replace public sector employees though, nor should it. It's also not good for employees, as they are typically not unionised, and don't have the benefits of pay and pension that the public sector does, nor that their private sector predecessors had during the hey day of private sector unions in the late 50's. Furthermore, any privatisation of the public sector may give an allusion that it's shrinking, but it's still paid for by tax dollars, so that points moot as well.

The past 30 years have been dismal for labor unions. There is one big exception to this story of decline, however: the public sector. In the Canadian public sector union density has increased from 12% in 1960 to more than 70% today. In America it has increased over the same period from 11% to 36% (see chart). There are now more American workers in unions in the public sector (7.6m) than in the private sector (7.1m), although the private sector employs five times as many people. Union density is now higher in the public sector than it was in the private sector in its glory days, in the 1950s.

http://www.economist.com/node/17849199
 
Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

Montecresto said:
That's your opinion. There are many healthcare workers, police and fire, military, coast guard, and so many more that would disagree with you.
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I'd agree with you on police, fire and military. Coincidentally they are the few branches of government I believe should be well funded.

But then those are the few groups of government employees who are held accountable and from who results are demanded.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Just out of curiosity...do you actually KNOW what they 'agreed' on? And are you TRULY stupid enough to believe that Bernie Sanders agrees with republicans on 80% of the issues?
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No. I never said that. That's a figment of your imagination because you can only argue with strawmen. I did say that there are issues that many people can come together on.
 
TurtleDude said:
well my question to him remains unanswered
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This isn't a high priority thread. But I am flattered to discover that there are people here waiting with baited breath for my replies.
 
reinoe said:
No. I never said that. That's a figment of your imagination because you can only argue with strawmen. I did say that there are issues that many people can come together on.
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:lamo

Like I said...out of your ever present sense of butthurt you had a kneejerk reaction to jump into a conversation...one of which you admit you knew absolutely nothing about.

Classic.
 
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