Even Baby Boomers Think It's Harder to Get Started Professionally Than It Used to Be

Millennials Are Still Struggling to Find Jobs - The Atlantic
Why is it happening this way? Our society seems to be much more prosperous than a few decades ago due to great technological advancement. There are so many ways to earn money by programming stuff or running your internet based business yet it seems like it's much harder to actualize yourself than a few generations ago. What's the reason behind that? How to solve this problem efficiently?

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people have to wise up about what's in DEMAND (and not being provided) Low cost housing is one of those demands. If you KNOW an unemployed vet, and if you can get a college loan, (ie, almost everyone) you're able to clear at LEAST 20k per year, just by sitting around your house! If you've got some 'hustle" on you, you can double your income every couple of years, IF you know a few things.

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Outsourcing Times: Disney to Outsource 1,000 IT Jobs

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/u...t-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?_r=0

Thanks to our Government giving companies tax breaks to replace American workers these things keep happening. I think it's ironic that Baby Boomers, who squandered the most robust and powerful economy in history, are now looking down on Millenials for not cleaning up their mess fast enough.

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prison/con.net said:

people have to wise up about what's in DEMAND (and not being provided) Low cost housing is one of those demands. If you KNOW an unemployed vet, and if you can get a college loan, (ie, almost everyone) you're able to clear at LEAST 20k per year, just by sitting around your house! If you've got some 'hustle" on you, you can double your income every couple of years, IF you know a few things.

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How does knowing an unemployed vet help others?
I am of the first of the Baby Boomers, got started without student loans. A rich uncle gave me room and board and 3 years of a good technical education, and even paid me a small stipend/allowance for spending money. I only had to be his indentured servant for 5 years after the 3 years of training.
My kids got their college paid for by their parents, and they are doing well, but worried a bit about their retirement years. I fear for the grandkids, they will have it harder getting good jobs right out of school, unless they learn to listen between the lines when career counselors give them the bad advice that seems to be typical these days....

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It's pretty simple. There are fewer jobs and more people to do them. And most of them won't even give someone an interview unless they're already established with several years of experience. Starting out right now is pretty much a coin flip.

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Paschendale said:

It's pretty simple. There are fewer jobs and more people to do them. And most of them won't even give someone an interview unless they're already established with several years of experience. Starting out right now is pretty much a coin flip.

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Many years established, currently employed, with at least one degree, and btw, the job pays $9.50 hour. Some of this bs will change if/when the job market tightens but for now and for the past 7 years that I know of, it's ridiculous.

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Summerwind said:

Many years established, currently employed, with at least one degree, and btw, the job pays $9.50 hour. Some of this bs will change if/when the job market tightens but for now and for the past 7 years that I know of, it's ridiculous.

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Fortunately Obama and the Republicans will sign the TPP. Baby boomers in China and Vietnam can rest easy.

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Ironfist17 said:

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cpwill said:

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Did you just say, "Good *****"?

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Summerwind said:

Many years established, currently employed, with at least one degree, and btw, the job pays $9.50 hour. Some of this bs will change if/when the job market tightens but for now and for the past 7 years that I know of, it's ridiculous.

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You can blame the job market to a degree but ultimately it's that we're actively thwarting labor in this country. We can't demand rock bottom prices and free products and then complain when no one is hiring or paying good wages. We're in a vicious cycle.

Being a conscious consumer and organizing is the solution.

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Ironfist17 said:

Millennials Are Still Struggling to Find Jobs - The Atlantic
Why is it happening this way? Our society seems to be much more prosperous than a few decades ago due to great technological advancement. There are so many ways to earn money by programming stuff or running your internet based business yet it seems like it's much harder to actualize yourself than a few generations ago. What's the reason behind that? How to solve this problem efficiently?

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it is something that has been caused by hiring and management practices,as there are quite a few industries very low on manpower,and few to fill it.

i work in automotive,technically automatic transmissions.we have an extreme shortage of techs both as general auto and transmission specialists,to the point one mechanic walking off the job could mutilate profits for months or years.however despite this shortage,small shops will only hire experienced techs,which are rare,and refuse to train new techs to replace them,most of which are baby boomers near retirement.

now dealerships train new techs,but most of them offer terrible pay,offering barely above minimum wage as flag rate,making them supply their own tools,and giving them warranty work where a job that takes 7-8 hours to do,pays 8 hours flag rate,but only pays 2.4 warranty rate.new guys get most of the warranty,so essentially they woork for next to nothing,many making less than if they worked at walmart.

so one side independant shops demand experienced techs with decades experience,the other side,dealerships and some large franchises,train new techs but make it so unnapealing many go through college then leave automotive altogether.

many other types of industries work in the same way,they only want experienced workers not new workers.which only favors them short term.a business looking into the future would want experienced workers and new workers being trained by the experienced,both employing more people and ensuring industrial manpower.now we have some industries importing people from other countries,some not out of cheapness,but because of a labor shortage,most of which could have been prevented.

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Ironfist17 said:

Millennials Are Still Struggling to Find Jobs - The Atlantic
Why is it happening this way? Our society seems to be much more prosperous than a few decades ago due to great technological advancement. There are so many ways to earn money by programming stuff or running your internet based business yet it seems like it's much harder to actualize yourself than a few generations ago. What's the reason behind that? How to solve this problem efficiently?

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Productivity is higher among employees yet their wages are stagnant while the executives are making 300+% more than them and keep expanding that gap. So the wealth is there, it's just consolidating making it hard on those just trying to start their lives.

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Unrepresented said:

You can blame the job market to a degree but ultimately it's that we're actively thwarting labor in this country. We can't demand rock bottom prices and free products and then complain when no one is hiring or paying good wages. We're in a vicious cycle.

Being a conscious consumer and organizing is the solution.

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We as a nation are addicted to slave labor and whatever it is we can get that's closest to that. Which is why there will never be any honest policy put forth to address illegal immigration so long as they can, with a wink and a nod, work under the table here. Which has the added effect of driving the rest of our wages down.

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poweRob said:

We as a nation are addicted to slave labor and whatever it is we can get that's closest to that. Which is why there will never be any honest policy put forth to address illegal immigration so long as they can, with a wink and a nod, work under the table here. Which has the added effect of driving the rest of our wages down.

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Not to mention the demands for imported goods which have the same effects only many times multiplied and much, much more easily ignored.

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reinoe said:

Outsourcing Times: Disney to Outsource 1,000 IT Jobs

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/u...t-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?_r=0

Thanks to our Government giving companies tax breaks to replace American workers these things keep happening. I think it's ironic that Baby Boomers, who squandered the most robust and powerful economy in history, are now looking down on Millenials for not cleaning up their mess fast enough.

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If the government gives tax breaks to businesses so that they can replace American workers then perhaps you should lobby the administration to end the practice. By the way, corporate taxes are ultimately paid by consumers since tax expense gets passed on like all other expenses. I think ending tax breaks is a zero sum game but, since it doesn't matter, why not write the white house to see if they will do something about it.

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reinoe said:

Outsourcing Times: Disney to Outsource 1,000 IT Jobs

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/u...t-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?_r=0

Thanks to our Government giving companies tax breaks to replace American workers these things keep happening. I think it's ironic that Baby Boomers, who squandered the most robust and powerful economy in history, are now looking down on Millenials for not cleaning up their mess fast enough.

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Yep, and this transcends parties. Too bad the die hard partisan doesn't recognise that. Sanders will be playing a different tune.

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Paschendale said:

It's pretty simple. There are fewer jobs and more people to do them. And most of them won't even give someone an interview unless they're already established with several years of experience. Starting out right now is pretty much a coin flip.

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Many employers are using agencies to do their hiring and those agencies use a computer to sort through the applications that are made on the Internet. Not very personal or hands on.

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reinoe said:

Outsourcing Times: Disney to Outsource 1,000 IT Jobs

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/u...t-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?_r=0

Thanks to our Government giving companies tax breaks to replace American workers these things keep happening. I think it's ironic that Baby Boomers, who squandered the most robust and powerful economy in history, are now looking down on Millenials for not cleaning up their mess fast enough.

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Your anti-boomer rant is ignorance in action.

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Even Baby Boomers Think It's Harder to Get Started Professionally Than It Used to Be

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well, **** yeah, they do. their adult kids are still at least partially financially dependent on them because the system is so stacked against younger workers, and it costs a ****load to get a post secondary education now.

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Tell me about it. I have been looking for a FT job for over a year now after graduating college and I can find nothing.

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Unrepresented said:

You can blame the job market to a degree but ultimately it's that we're actively thwarting labor in this country. We can't demand rock bottom prices and free products and then complain when no one is hiring or paying good wages. We're in a vicious cycle.

Being a conscious consumer and organizing is the solution.

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I don't think the government has much to do with it. It all boils down to the advent of container ships in the early 70s. They made it possible to ship massive amounts of goods all over the world exponentially cheaper than ever before. It's been a race to the bottom in terms of labor costs ever since.

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Ironfist17 said:

Millennials Are Still Struggling to Find Jobs - The Atlantic
Why is it happening this way? Our society seems to be much more prosperous than a few decades ago due to great technological advancement. There are so many ways to earn money by programming stuff or running your internet based business yet it seems like it's much harder to actualize yourself than a few generations ago. What's the reason behind that? How to solve this problem efficiently?

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Too much competition for one thing. Secondly, it's like trying to get a movie produced: you have to get "producers" to buy your idea.

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Paschendale said:

It's pretty simple. There are fewer jobs and more people to do them. And most of them won't even give someone an interview unless they're already established with several years of experience. Starting out right now is pretty much a coin flip.

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Yup. I bought an expensive suit for interviews a couple years ago. With the exception of one job selling insurance which I'm about 95% sure was a pyramid scheme, I've never actually worn it to a real job interview.

None of the companies that would host an interview that would require a suit ever called me back.

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poweRob said:

We as a nation are addicted to slave labor and whatever it is we can get that's closest to that. Which is why there will never be any honest policy put forth to address illegal immigration so long as they can, with a wink and a nod, work under the table here. Which has the added effect of driving the rest of our wages down.

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If by "addicted to slave labor" you mean American consumers are addicted to buying goods and services produced abroad by people whose living standards are much lower than ours, then you have a valid point. If you mean something else by that, you probably don't.

Regulation and labor laws that push wages and benefits higher reinforce all the things you don't actually want for American labor. Promising the baby boomers they will be the last generation in history to benefit from pensions (because after that we'll be broke) is reinforcing generational inequality. Policies liberals support bring about the conditions about which they perpetually complain.

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Unrepresented said:

Being a conscious consumer and organizing is the solution.

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The solution is improving the economy.