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poweRob said:

That's not the cop's job. And you are mighty presumptuous as to what the mama did and didn't teach. Do tell me how you NEVER smarted off to an adult ever... then listen to me be absolutely condescending to you by telling you how your mama didn't raise you right. The only difference is, I wouldn't mean it... because I'm not lying to myself about human nature.

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Hm. Between the ages of early childhood and actual adulthood, I can' think of a single time I smarted off to an adult.

Simple enough reason - I learned in early childhood that smarting off to adults results in mama's hand coming out of nowhere at approximately 90mph and wiping that smirk off your face hard enough to make you see stars. It's amazing how quickly one learns.

Now that I'm an adult, I can think of plenty of times when I've smarted off to my peers or (obviously jokingly) to my elders / superiors, but I can't think of a time when I've "sassed"/"smarted off" them, either. I suppose if you raise a child up right, he will continue in that path as an adult.

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cpwill said:

Hm. Between the ages of early childhood and actual adulthood, I can' think of a single time I smarted off to an adult.

Simple enough reason - I learned in early childhood that smarting off to adults results in mama's hand coming out of nowhere at approximately 90mph and wiping that smirk off your face hard enough to make you see stars. It's amazing how quickly one learns.

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But you did. That's how you learned right? Also, I'm sure there was a bit of smart assed bemoaning out of earshot... or so you hoped.

It's all a part of growing up and trying to learn the balance of the growth in your independence and doing so respectfully towards people telling you what to do. I just have a hard time believing anyone can claim they only wear a shiny halo that was never tarnished at all as a teen.

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poweRob said:

But you did. That's how you learned right? Also, I'm sure there was a bit of smart assed bemoaning out of earshot... or so you hoped.

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Probably. But I learned at age..... 7? 8?

I would get into some fights with my folks later (what teenager doesn't), but I was never openly or blatantly disrespectful.

It's all a part of growing up and trying to learn the balance of the growth in your independence and doing so respectfully towards people telling you what to do. I just have a hard time believing anyone can claim they only wear a shiny halo that was never tarnished at all as a teen.

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No one claimed that. They pointed out that by the time someone is a teenager, the tendency to be a smartass to adult should have been slapped off their face. You don't act like that at that age unless you are used to getting away with it.

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cpwill said:

Probably. But I learned at age..... 7? 8?

I would get into some fights with my folks later (what teenager doesn't), but I was never openly or blatantly disrespectful.



No one claimed that. They pointed out that by the time someone is a teenager, the tendency to be a smartass to adult should have been slapped off their face. You don't act like that at that age unless you are used to getting away with it.

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Well I started talking about this when WSU made the claim that he NEVER, not once, smarted off because his parents raised him right.

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poweRob said:

Well I started talking about this when WSU made the claim that he NEVER, not once, smarted off because his parents raised him right.

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:shrug: he was probably talking about when he was a teenager / child old enough to know what he was doing.

Example: my boys aren't aggressive (ever) with grownups. The reason for this is simple. My older boy once punched his mother when he was (I think) 5. The resulting spanking has insured that he never did that again, and his brother learned from watching him very carefully never do that ever, because that will result in Dad going absolutely ape**** on your butt. As my sons grow, the likelihood that I will have to worry about them becoming the kind of people who think it's funny to beat up old people is therefore miniscule. Because at a deep, hind-brain level they will know that that is not only wrong, but an extremely dangerous decision for them to make.

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cpwill said:

:shrug: he was probably talking about when he was a teenager / child old enough to know what he was doing.

Example: my boys aren't aggressive (ever) with grownups. The reason for this is simple. My older boy once punched his mother when he was (I think) 5. The resulting spanking has insured that he never did that again, and his brother learned from watching him very carefully never do that ever, because that will result in Dad going absolutely ape**** on your butt. As my sons grow, the likelihood that I will have to worry about them becoming the kind of people who think it's funny to beat up old people is therefore miniscule. Because at a deep, hind-brain level they will know that that is not only wrong, but an extremely dangerous decision for them to make.

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Your younger is what I call a smart man. Some people say that a smart man learns from his mistakes. I disagree. I say a man of average intelligence learns from his mistakes. A smart man learns from someone else's.

That being said, even a firm hand cannot always contain teen angst and hormones getting the best of them.

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poweRob said:

Your younger is what I call a smart man. Some people say that a smart man learns from his mistakes. I disagree. I say a man of average intelligence learns from his mistakes. A smart man learns from someone else's.

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We were worried he was dumber than his brother for some time because he was so quiet and seemed so disinterested. Then he started randomly busting out stuff that we had no idea he was learning. We didn't "teach" him math, but he taught himself how to do columns in his head. We didn't teach him memorization, but he memorized poetry. We're still not quite sure how to deal with him on that front.

That being said, even a firm hand cannot always contain teen angst and hormones getting the best of them.

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It certainly can, the problem being that society now frowns upon that sort of thing. In this case, everyone is very angry at a cop for attempting to do so.

You want to see teens who are self-selected for domineering, alpha behavior, convinced of their own indestructibility, full of anger and rampaging hormones who are yet contained by a firm hand? Go take a look at Marine Corps Boot Camp or spend some time with the Marine Corps Infantry. You'll note the tactics that are used (when they are allowed to be used) will upset the Mothers Of America Who Want Their Precious Babies Enabled At All Times..... but are also effective.

We had a kid off the streets of new york who came in who was convinced he was better, tougher, and smarter than all of his seniors. A day or so spent doing elevated pushups off his rack while we took turns kicking him in the ribs took care of that, and then he was a fantastic Marine - one of our best.


When you don't nip these problems in the bud as younguns, the lengths you have to go to grows exponentially along with them. You have to provide a teenager with the equivalent of someone literally 3-4 times his size using sudden, sure, physical violence against him which he is completely powerless to stop. That's a high ticket for that kid to have to pay because his parents weren't willing to. If kids who aren't taught to respect others are allowed to grow to full adults, eventually, you sometimes have to either incarcerate them for extended periods or even kill them. It's almost always better to correct when they are young.

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cpwill said:

We were worried he was dumber than his brother for some time because he was so quiet and seemed so disinterested. Then he started randomly busting out stuff that we had no idea he was learning. We didn't "teach" him math, but he taught himself how to do columns in his head. We didn't teach him memorization, but he memorized poetry. We're still not quite sure how to deal with him on that front.



It certainly can, the problem being that society now frowns upon that sort of thing. In this case, everyone is very angry at a cop for attempting to do so.

You want to see teens who are self-selected for domineering, alpha behavior, convinced of their own indestructibility, full of anger and piss and vinegar, and are yet contained by a firm hand? Go take a look at Marine Corps Boot Camp or spend some time with the Marine Corps Infantry. You'll note the tactics that are used (when they are allowed to be used) will upset the Mothers Of America Who Want Their Precious Babies Enabled At All Times..... but are also effective.

We had a kid off the streets of new york who came in who was convinced he was better, tougher, and smarter than all of his seniors. A day or so spent doing elevated pushups off his rack while we took turns kicking him in the ribs took care of that, and then he was a fantastic Marine - one of our best.

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My experience with iron fisted parenting that I saw A LOT of in the south is that those kids ended up being the most absolute worst when out of site of said parents.

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cpwill said:

We had a kid off the streets of new york who came in who was convinced he was better, tougher, and smarter than all of his seniors. A day or so spent doing elevated pushups off his rack while we took turns kicking him in the ribs took care of that, and then he was a fantastic Marine - one of our best.

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How does abuse teach someone the abuser(s) are better? In my unit we lead by example and with honor.

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dirtpoorchris said:

What do you think will happen when all cops have body cams and a cop beats the **** out of a homeless person for no reason, so 5 people rush in to citizen arrest the abusive cop only for the cop to shoot them all? First his abuse will be caught. Then his murder of a group of pepole performing a lawful detention will be shown. What do you think happens next when the public sees this? Maybe it will make cops think twice about beating nonvoilent people. If a cop is a criminal then he isnt a real cop.

Then when additional cops get there they can draw weapons if they see threat to the cop, but if all they see is what cops do to us, detain us and shove them face first in the ground. Then they cant do anything about it but detain everyone as they revue footage and determine if it was a lawful cit's arrest of a abusive cop.

Eventually people are going to start rushing to help people that cops are abusing, the more and more people know the situation is being recorded. Better plan ahead and are you really going to side with killing them all?

Either the cops start arresting the abusive cops right away or they step aside until civil arrest is complete.

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:lamo:doh:lamo

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Chomsky said:

And the Mayor ...

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:doh
Besides the above also applying to you, all you are doing is showing that you know not of what you speak in regards to the Mayor.

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ecofarm said:

How does abuse teach someone the abuser(s) are better? In my unit we lead by example and with honor.

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It doesn't, it teaches them not to be a disrespectful dumbass and to do what they are told. You can't build a positive relationship until you've established the rules.

poweRob said:

My experience with iron fisted parenting that I saw A LOT of in the south is that those kids ended up being the most absolute worst when out of site of said parents.

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:shrug: I couldn't speak to iron-fisted parenting. I would say that the folks I've seen who are the worst are the ones whose parents taught them (or allowed them to believe) that they were entitled, and could get away with acting like that.

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clownboy said:

The same place we find people who haven't a clue what 15 year old girls are capable of. :mrgreen:

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Good Lord.

Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave seeing what Americans have become.

It isn't enough that you're afraid of a communist or terrorist hiding behind every bush, now you're frightened of children too.

SMFH

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WSUwarrior said:

Now lets see you run into a pack of 100 of them BY YOURSELF and make them listen.

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Let's see.

No property was damaged.

Nothing was stolen.

Nobody was killed.

Nobody was injured (by anyone other than the police).

No weapons were discovered.

Nothing was stolen.

So basically "them" is a pack of 100 non-violent, suburban kids?

Yeah.

I wouldn't wade in to THAT kind of firestorm by myself under ANY circumstances.

You'd need to be some kind of hero to walk in to that.

LOL

Oh wait, youre probably scared to leave your house if a couple of "them" are outside.

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Yeah.

If I see a group of children milling around outside I call a "sheepdog" to come protect me.

LMAO

I haven't decided yet whether you're just a troll or whether you actually believe that America needs cops like these.

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Excon said:

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1. Lame replies considering that has already been addressed.
2. Even more lame as it is an appeal to authority showing that neither of you can refute what has already been presented.​

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Besides the above also applying to you, all you are doing is showing that you know not of what you speak in regards to the Mayor.

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The sound refutations are through out the first 30 pages of the thread. As is usual, you're on the fringe. You would make a great colonel in a police state though.

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Maybe the cop seen an advertisement like this and thats why he wanted to join? jk

Officer Barrel Roll just wanted to get in on some of this sweet cavalier action.

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Excon said:

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1. Lame replies considering that has already been addressed.
2. Even more lame as it is an appeal to authority showing that neither of you can refute what has already been presented.​

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Appeal to authority isn't really a logical fallacy when they are....you know, the authority on the matter.

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Montecresto said:

The sound refutations are through out the first 30 pages of the thread. As is usual, you're on the fringe. You would make a great colonel in a police state though.

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:doh
Again, as usual, you are wrong.
The only sound refutations were made against the bs you argued.

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Paperview said:

Appeal to authority isn't really a logical fallacy when they are....you know, the authority on the matter.

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:doh
Except that he is not.
A review would have been the authority on the matter or if then appealed or taken to court, that final step would be the authority.
But that isn't going to happen now.

Though he is not the authority, lets say he is. Whether or not it is as he claimed is open for debate, which makes relying on the claimant as the authority illogical.
Again. It is obvious that politics and CYA from the BGI is being played.


Regardless, you can not refute the following and neither has the Chief.
Nothing he did was criminal or racist. The only thing that can really be said is that his swearing was unprofessional.

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Yet he resigned...

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Excon said:

His action in forcing the resisting girl to the ground was justified.
His action in drawing his firearm was justified.
His action in detaining individuals to ascertain what was going on was justified.
His attitude to those who did not listen to what they were told was justified.​

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In your opinion that was all justified. In your very highly biased opinion. However in the opinion of the vast majority of the population, including his superiors, his actions were not justified. The circumstances that brought on his actions were caused by him. He arrived at a non violent event and turned it into a violent situation.

I know some people feel that cops can do whatever they want, treat people however they want, and should never be questioned. But most Americans don't feel that way. Most people expect a police officer arriving to help the situation, not make it worse. Most people expect a police officer to act with a certain level of discipline, professionalism, and respect while they are working. This officer showed none of that.

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Kreton said:

In your opinion that was all justified. In your very highly biased opinion. However in the opinion of the vast majority of the population, including his superiors, his actions were not justified. The circumstances that brought on his actions were caused by him. He arrived at a non violent event and turned it into a violent situation.

I know some people feel that cops can do whatever they want, treat people however they want, and should never be questioned. But most Americans don't feel that way. Most people expect a police officer arriving to help the situation, not make it worse. Most people expect a police officer to act with a certain level of discipline, professionalism, and respect while they are working. This officer showed none of that.

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You really should have paid attention to what you read.


Secondly, show how any of his actions (besides swearing) was against policy, protocol, or training.
You can not do it.
And no, the only ones who made things worse were those who failed to comply and acted aggressively towards the Officer.

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lol.

The Police Chief, literally that man's boss, isn't the authority.

lolol

He called Casebolt's actions “indefensible” and “out of control.”

"Conley emphasized that 11 out of 12 officers on scene “performed according to their training.” He decried those who violated community rules and disrespected authorities during the incident, but also made clear that Casebolt, as a police officer, is held to a higher standard.

“Our policies, our training and our practice do not support his actions,” Conley said during a press conference Tuesday evening."

McKinney officer Eric Casebolt resigns; police chief calls actions at pool party ‘indefensible’ | | Dallas Morning News

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:laughat:

Paperview said:

The Police Chief, literally that man's boss, isn't the authority.

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A lame reply.
He is not the authority on his actions. The review board would have been.
Do you or do you not understand that?

Paperview said:

He called Casebolt's actions “indefensible” and “out of control.”

"Conley emphasized that 11 out of 12 officers on scene “performed according to their training.” He decried those who violated community rules and disrespected authorities during the incident, but also made clear that Casebolt, as a police officer, is held to a higher standard.

“Our policies, our training and our practice do not support his actions,” Conley said during a press conference Tuesday evening."

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:doh
Irrelevant, illogical and an ignorant reply to that what was already pointed out. :2rofll:

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Excon said:

You really should have paid attention to what you read.


Secondly, show how any of his actions (besides swearing) was against policy, protocol, or training.
You can not do it.
And no, the only ones who made things worse were those who failed to comply and acted aggressively towards the Officer.

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Who showed aggression toward the officer? They only thing they did was walk away because he had no reason to detain them. He pulled a gun on unarmed children. He used force to restrain a child who he had no reason to believe was doing anything wrong. Show me where in his policy, protocol or training it says an officer should show up at a relatively calm scene and pull guns and use force on kids, and turn what should have been a very simple issue into a national media event. Show me where in his policy, protocol or training it says and officer should let his emotions take control and should overreact to a situation because he feels disrespected by teens. Show me where in his policy, protocol or training it says he can do whatever he wants to whoever he wants because he is a cop and rules dont apply to him.

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Irrelevant, illogical and an ignorant reply to that what was already pointed out.

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Originally Posted by Paperview

He called Casebolt's actions “indefensible” and “out of control.”

"Conley emphasized that 11 out of 12 officers on scene “performed according to their training.” He decried those who violated community rules and disrespected authorities during the incident, but also made clear that Casebolt, as a police officer, is held to a higher standard.

“Our policies, our training and our practice do not support his actions,” Conley said during a press conference Tuesday evening."


Deny all you want. Really. It makes for hilarious reading.