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Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party[W:367:425****]

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Montecresto said:
Then by all means good riddance. Cops with a "flair for the dramatic" is just what we need to purge. Don't you guys realize that as a society we want cops to keep the peace, show up to a situation that's escalating towards violence or disaster, and defuse it, de-escalate it, calm those that are acting dramatic. Not show up doing cartwheels, yelling and screaming, f-bombing everybody with a "flair of drama" about them, pulling guns and acting the fool, which is what we've all witnessed in this video?
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Strange. I figured that you would be among those who had a real appreciation for the dramatic.
 
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Lutherf said:
So as far as you're concerned his resignation is some kind of admission of guilt?

Just a guess on my part but the guy seems to have a flair for the dramatic and this resignation is likely more that than anything else.
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Absolutely.

Listen to Chief's & Mayor's press conference where they're condemning him for violating department policies & practices, and further stating: "He was out-of-control from the moment he arrived on the scene"!

- it's live on CNN right now.

Unless you believe your judgement is superior to the Chief of Police?
 
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Lutherf said:
Not exactly. Just because she ended up in handcuffs doesn't mean that she was being held for anything other than a brief questioning about the fight. It would be SOP for the cops to cuff all the participants until a reasonable picture of what actually happened could be discerned.
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Yes, it's OK to arrest and handcuff the victim of a crime who has voluntarily approached the police to report the crime.

Great way to encourage victims to report crimes!!!

It would be SOP for the cops to cuff all the participants
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That's BS. It has never been SOP for cops to cuff witnesses but I'm bookmarking that comment for the next time you get involved in a thread about police abuse
 
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Lutherf said:
Not exactly. Just because she ended up in handcuffs doesn't mean that she was being held for anything other than a brief questioning about the fight. It would be SOP for the cops to cuff all the participants until a reasonable picture of what actually happened could be discerned.
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That would be arrest. If you cuff them that counts as arrested. I dont care what anyone else says. Go look up the definition for arrested. Just because cops choose to shift the meaning of it to something specific and exclusive doesnt change the real definition.
 
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Chomsky said:
Absolutely.

Listen to Chief's & Mayor's press conference where they're condemning him for violating department policies & practices, and further stating: "He was out-of-control from the moment he arrived on the scene"!

- it's live on CNN right now.

Unless you believe your judgement is superior to the Chief of Police?
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He thinks it's "SOP for the cops to cuff all the participants" including the victims of a crime.
 
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sangha said:
Some people will accept any excuse for police misbehavior.

Luther is actually excusing the fact the police arrested a young teen girl because she went to the police and reported that she was the victim of an assault. He has no problem with the police arresting the victims of crimes because they were "involved" in a crime.
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I understand Sangha. A lot of the differences between liberals and conservatives make sense to me, that is, I understand why they exist. This one always frustrates me, I cannot for the life of me understand any American, liberty loving and constitutionally minded American citizens putting up with this crap, repeatedly. And would they all really be ok with that cop smacking their daughter around as we saw that cop do. I mean my blood was boiling when I saw that, to me when I viewed that I just wanted to duct tape that guy to a tree naked on a fire ant pile. And then, as you point out, these guys come in here and defend it. I just don't know what to think about that, really.
 
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Lutherf said:
Not exactly. Just because she ended up in handcuffs doesn't mean that she was being held for anything other than a brief questioning about the fight.
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The media is describing her as "the only white person who was arrested"

And there's no reason to arrest her and cuff her. She VOLUNTARILY went to the police.

It would be SOP for the cops to cuff all the participants until a reasonable picture of what actually happened could be discerned.
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No, it's not SOP. You're making that up

The law is clear that the cops can't arrest or cuff someone because they report that they're a victim of a crime.
 
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Montecresto said:
Then by all means good riddance. Cops with a "flair for the dramatic" is just what we need to purge. Don't you guys realize that as a society we want cops to keep the peace, show up to a situation that's escalating towards violence or disaster, and defuse it, de-escalate it, calm those that are acting dramatic. Not show up doing cartwheels, yelling and screaming, f-bombing everybody with a "flair of drama" about them, pulling guns and acting the fool, which is what we've all witnessed in this video?
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What we are waiting for is our men & women in law-enforcement to once again act as our civil-servants, and to serve & protect us.

NOT to treat us as if they're our superiors - they need to remember they work for us & serve at our pleasure.

I have the greatest respect for our hard-working good officers, but I have the highest contempt for those that betray their badge - including those fellow officers that stand by as idle partners to their fellow officers betraying their oaths.

A little house-cleaning is never a bad thing ...
 
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Lutherf said:
Strange. I figured that you would be among those who had a real appreciation for the dramatic.
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Maybe on stage Lutherf. I don't appreciate it in real life with guns and billy clubs, no! Then it's time for business, professional business, unlike the freak show that was captured in this video.
 
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Chomsky said:
What we are waiting for is our men & women in law-enforcement to once again act as our civil-servants, and to serve & protect us.

NOT to treat us as if they're our superiors - they need to remember they work for us & serve at our pleasure.

I have the greatest respect for our hard-working good officers, but I have the highest contempt for those that betray their badge - including those fellow officers that stand by as idle partners to their fellow officers betraying their oaths.

A little house-cleaning is never a bad thing ...
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I agree, especially with your first line. And, to try to be positive here, I think we need to keep the pressure on, there has been progress, it's small I know, but groups are forming, because there's more power in multiple voices, that are standing up to this abuse of power and excessive force, and as such I'm hopeful that we will see improvement. Btw, Lutherf admitted the cop was "heavy handed", he just can't bring himself to call for reprimand.
 
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Paschendale said:
Police should not be allowed to harm anyone when they have "no idea" what's going on. They have an obligation to thoroughly determine the nature of a situation before taking action against anyone.

What we need to do is stop making excuses for police, and instead hold them to a standard befitting their role and responsibility.



"Being aggressive and threatening" is not against the law. Police have no business attacking or detaining anyone without evidence of an actual crime.



Yeah, we don't serve their kind here!
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The crime was trespassing since pool rules are maximum two guest allowed unless you register a party ahead of time, which these folks did not do. Cop did his job.
 
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Chomsky said:
What we are waiting for is our men & women in law-enforcement to once again act as our civil-servants, and to serve & protect us.

NOT to treat us as if they're our superiors - they need to remember they work for us & serve at our pleasure.

I have the greatest respect for our hard-working good officers, but I have the highest contempt for those that betray their badge - including those fellow officers that stand by as idle partners to their fellow officers betraying their oaths.

A little house-cleaning is never a bad thing ...
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Once again act as our civil servants..ahah.
They've been doing this **** forever, you just have the "pleasure" of seeing it now.
 
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Chomsky said:
What we are waiting for is our men & women in law-enforcement to once again act as our civil-servants, and to serve & protect us.

NOT to treat us as if they're our superiors - they need to remember they work for us & serve at our pleasure.

I have the greatest respect for our hard-working good officers, but I have the highest contempt for those that betray their badge - including those fellow officers that stand by as idle partners to their fellow officers betraying their oaths.

A little house-cleaning is never a bad thing ...
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What I find amazing is that people think that this some sort of new thing. It's not!!!! Police have been doing this forever. They are just now being caught on video.
 
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And just to add a bit of fodder to those that would like to present police beatings & abusive force as a rare thing from a far minority, another incident comes rolling in on CNN usurping the breaking coverage of the pool party officer having that just resigned - I couldn't make this stuff up; I actually was confused for moment trying to keep track of these incidents.

From YouTube, since it doesn't appear to be up on the CNN site:

YouTube - 'Salinas California Cops Beat Mentally ill Man (VIDEO')

Apparently, this is how we treat the mentally ill.

Before deciding to defend the officers by using the ploy that the video is not showing the full context, you may keep in mind the Mayor of Salinas has just come out moments ago to explicitly state that there is no justification for the actions on the video, irregardless of it's limited context.

So here we go again with another one of these supposed rare incidents ...
 
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calamity said:
The crime was trespassing since pool rules are maximum two guest allowed unless you register a party ahead of time, which these folks did not do. Cop did his job.
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The why'd he resign?

Why was he condemned by his superiors?
 
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All the cops in question have to do is say the key phrase...."...I was in fear of my life". And somehow that usually justifies any action taken after that.
 
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Montecresto said:
I agree, especially with your first line. And, to try to be positive here, I think we need to keep the pressure on, there has been progress, it's small I know, but groups are forming, because there's more power in multiple voices, that are standing up to this abuse of power and excessive force, and as such I'm hopeful that we will see improvement. Btw, Lutherf admitted the cop was "heavy handed", he just can't bring himself to call for reprimand.
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re: keep the pressure on

Absolutely!

There already are citizen's groups dedicated to filming the police, which is now easy to do with everyone having a videotaping cell camera.

And more & more bystanders & passersby are stopping & filming random police action.

Today, whenever an officer comes into contact with a citizen, they are now cognizant their action may be on camera, perhaps even surreptitiously.

This is good for everyone, including the officers - we have reached the point of becoming a transparent society with all the good & not so good that entails. In terms of police malfeasance, it's definitely good IMO.
 
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Montecresto said:
Because they're black I'm sure, hang out, get rowdy, don't eat in restaurants, have fights, don't shop and listen to rap!!! All the same things that the white children of affluent parents do as well.
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I've never seen affluent kids doing it in my neighborhood.
 
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Fruityfact said:
Once again act as our civil servants..ahah.
They've been doing this **** forever, you just have the "pleasure" of seeing it now.
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There's some truth to that, I believe.

But in my over half a century on this earth, I do believe I've seen a militarization of our police, along with an erosion of our constitutional rights.

Irrespective of whether these abuses are increasing or not, the good news is: thanks to the technology every good citizen now has in his pocket, we now have evidence leading to the weeding-out of the bad eggs.

That's a very good thing!
 
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Texmex said:
You mean black kids?
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I mean all the kids who need to go back to their own part of town.

If I were renting an apartment in that place, and thugs from south Dallas kept showing up, I would not renew my lease, and I'm sure many share that mentality or else they would not live in McKinney. Therefore the property values go down. Is that fair to the owner of the building...now his investment is worth less because some punks wanted to use his pool that he built.

Your priorities are all mixed up.

If these kids want to spend time in a place like McKinney, they need to get jobs and start saving up
 
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Chase said:
All the cops in question have to do is say the key phrase...."...I was in fear of my life". And somehow that usually justifies any action taken after that.
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But not if the good citizens keep filming, and the media keeps carrying the stories.

I do admit that most departments regs & procedures are stacked against the citizens, but little-by-little the pendulum can swing back back a bit. I suspect that's already happening - no departments want the political heat, loss of public confidence, and eventual financial loss that occurs when these videos surface.

Remember, the SC copper was just indicted on Murder - that's a big deal. You can be sure his fellow officers are thinking a little harder about what circumstances are appropriate to pull the trigger. And thinking a bit more conservatively, I'm sure ....
 
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Chomsky said:
The why'd he resign?

Why was he condemned by his superiors?
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I'd say because he didn't maintain control of the situation. Cop did go a bit Rambo when it wasn't really necessary. Notice the other cops did not act like this guy.
 
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calamity said:
I'd say because he didn't maintain control of the situation. Cop did go a bit Rambo when it wasn't really necessary.
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Gee, that sure is a change of tune from the bone-headed "Cop did his job" you posted earlier
 
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sangha said:
Gee, that sure is a change of tune from the bone-headed "Cop did his job" you posted earlier
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Arriving to break up the fight and disperse the trespassers--doing his job. Losing his cool and acting like a nut--not so much.
 
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