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Bush now more popular than Obama

StillBallin75 said:
I don't see why the outlet is relevant. The fact remains that the comparison and conclusion (Bush more popular than Obama) is dishonest, whether or not they're your opinions or CNNs. Would you care to address any of the actual points I made?
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I disagree. Irregardless of opinion polling, the moment the seriously damaging obamacare mandates started hitting, Obama instantly became more unpopular then Bush ever was.
 
MathewSmith said:
When Bill Clinton left office, 31.6 million Americans were living in poverty. When Bush left office, there were 39.8 million, according to the U.S. Census, an increase of 26.1 percent. Yeah, enough to be so popular. I'll never understand our voters.
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Now with Obama, there are 45 million Americans on food stamps.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I don't see why the outlet is relevant. The fact remains that the comparison and conclusion (Bush more popular than Obama) is dishonest, whether or not they're your opinions or CNNs. Would you care to address any of the actual points I made?
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Actually, you're wrong. The statement that GWB is more popular than BHO is objectively true. Now there's a good explanation why GWB is more popular, as you and others have pointed out, and it's fair to highlight that. But that doesn't make the comparison dishonest; it only makes it easy to explain and, really, not very important.
 
A
LowDown said:
Obama pulled out of Iraq prematurely which allowed ISIS to get a foothold. Now his heart isn't in getting rid of ISIS and his actions show it. He backed removing Ghaddafi and now Lybia is a failed state and a haven for terrorists. He didn't save the economy. The economy recovered on its own despite all the things that Obama did to harm it. You can get insurance but not the doctor or hospital you might like, and it looks like the whole system is in danger of collapse. Bin Laden is dead but Al Qaeda is very much alive. Terrorism is on the run -- currently running all over Iraq and killing people by the thousands.

And, as always, it's Bush's fault.
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They both share the blame, Obama more so.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I disagree. Irregardless of opinion polling, the moment the seriously damaging obamacare mandates started hitting, Obama instantly became more unpopular then Bush ever was.
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Wrong. Bush's approval ratings sunk below 30 percent. Obama's have never approached 40, much less 30.
 
Grim17 said:
When Obama was elected, I suspected he wouldn't do a very good job based on his beliefs and political philosophies, but with the media carrying water for him like they have and continue to do, I never suspected he would actually be less popular that George W. Bush. To me, that speaks volumes about how poor a president he really has been.


Bush now more popular than Obama - CNNPolitics.com
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That is not the most accurate measure of presidential popularity. When a president leaves office this often gives people "away time" and people are more likely to forget his mistakes. Usually a president is most popular at the beginning of his term and years after the end of his term. He is most unpopular at the end of his term. The best comparison is to compare Obama and bush at the same point in their presidencies.

Right now 46% of people approve of Obama and 50% disapprove. At the same point in his presidency only 35% of people approved of Bush and 60% disapproved. So while Obama is controversial, Bush was downright unpopular.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_bush_first_term_job_approval.html
 
Jack Hays said:
Actually, you're wrong. The statement that GWB is more popular than BHO is objectively true. Now there's a good explanation why GWB is more popular, as you and others have pointed out, and it's fair to highlight that. But that doesn't make the comparison dishonest; it only makes it easy to explain and, really, not very important.
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You're wrong, its an apples and oranges comparison. Bush's is a popularity poll while President Obama's is his job approval.
 
pbrauer said:
You're wrong, its an apples and oranges comparison. Bush's is a popularity poll while President Obama's is his job approval.
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As I said, it's easily explained. But the numbers are the numbers.
 
MaggieD said:
That's an EXCELLENT point. Nice.

What happens if both are rated on the job each has done while in office? Oops.
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Well, if we actually do that, we get an entirely different picture.

Presidential Approval Ratings | Gallup Historical Statistics and Trends

In short, if these polls are anything to go by: In the eyes of Americans, Bush was next to Reagan in greatness, and Reagan was only slightly better than Nixon and GHWB was a better president than Reagan AND Truman. You can't make that sort of stuff up. If you'd like to compare presidential approval ratings, here you are:

Presidential Job Approval Center

Anyways, don't expect Grim17 to do anything but hide behind CNN's articles when it suits him. He's not really capable of engaging in any sort of debate that doesn't completely devolve into him just ranting about the evils of the left.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I disagree. Irregardless of opinion polling, the moment the seriously damaging obamacare mandates started hitting, Obama instantly became more unpopular then Bush ever was.
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As said previously, Obama's approval rating never hit the lows of Bush's post Katrina numbers.

Also, there were no "seriously damaging Obamacare mandates" but I do concede that the anti-Obamacare media campaign was highly successful. The facts however, were that myths didn't meet the reality.

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/580016166212599808

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pbrauer said:
You're wrong, its an apples and oranges comparison. Bush's is a popularity poll while President Obama's is his job approval.
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Actually Pete, you are the one that is wrong. Here's the question and the results:

We'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people.

Barack Obama Favorable 49% Unfavorable 49%
George W Bush Favorable 52% Unfavorable 43%​
 
Grim17 said:
Actually Pete, you are the one that is wrong. Here's the question and the results:

We'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people.

Barack Obama Favorable 49% Unfavorable 49%
George W Bush Favorable 52% Unfavorable 43%​
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True. However, the CNN article writes about President Obama's Job approval rating, not his popularity. And when you think about it, it would be almost impossible for people to distinuish between the two for a sitting president. A much better comparison would be comparing the two at the same point in their presidency. But you already know that. ;)
 
Jack Hays said:
Actually, you're wrong. The statement that GWB is more popular than BHO is objectively true. Now there's a good explanation why GWB is more popular, as you and others have pointed out, and it's fair to highlight that. But that doesn't make the comparison dishonest; it only makes it easy to explain and, really, not very important.
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If GW is so popular than we can expect that Jeb will be taking him along on his campaign appearances, right? Not in a million years. People like that Bush keeps is mouth shut and took up painting flowers. That is about it.
 
pbrauer said:
True. However, the CNN article writes about President Obama's Job approval rating, not his popularity. And when you think about it, it would be almost impossible for people to distinuish between the two for a sitting president. A much better comparison would be comparing the two at the same point in their presidency. But you already know that. ;)
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I agree... Like I said before, it is what it is.
 
Kobie said:
Wrong. Bush's approval ratings sunk below 30 percent. Obama's have never approached 40, much less 30.
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I want to say something but I wont.:mrgreen:
 
iguanaman said:
If GW is so popular than we can expect that Jeb will be taking him along on his campaign appearances, right? Not in a million years. People like that Bush keeps is mouth shut and took up painting flowers. That is about it.
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Yeah, I'm sure GWB will be right out there stumping lol

To be fair, Bush did do some good things. His efforts to fight AIDS in Africa were better than any president before or since.
 
iguanaman said:
If GW is so popular than we can expect that Jeb will be taking him along on his campaign appearances, right? Not in a million years. People like that Bush keeps is mouth shut and took up painting flowers. That is about it.
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I expect you'll see GWB more often than BHO on the campaign trail.
 
Kobie said:
Wrong. Bush's approval ratings sunk below 30 percent. Obama's have never approached 40, much less 30.
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Your problem is that you do not understand how politics, polling, and the mass media work. When Bush's numbers were in the 30s, he was constantly under attack from the mass media, which with the exception of Fox News, is largely compliant with the left. Journalism by it's very nature leans to the hard left. Obama would just about have to be caught in the act of eating live kittens to get his poll numbers into the 30s. Not to mention, many of those polls giving Bush those low numbers were caught stacking the respondents towards the left.
 
MTAtech said:
As said previously, Obama's approval rating never hit the lows of Bush's post Katrina numbers.

However blaming Bush for the poor state and local response(In louisiana) in the aftermath of Katrina was a combination of political and moronic.

Also, there were no "seriously damaging Obamacare mandates" but I do concede that the anti-Obamacare media campaign was highly successful. The facts however, were that myths didn't meet the reality.
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https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/580016166212599808

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No damaging mandates? Right! My health insurance went from $250.00 a month for a $1200.00 deductible, to $678.00 a month with a $6000.00 deductible. That is what the first obamacare mandate did to me. You may not think of that as damaging. I do. Why have health insurance if you cannot afford to use it? I dropped out of the private health insurance market.
 
Grim17 said:
When Obama was elected, I suspected he wouldn't do a very good job based on his beliefs and political philosophies, but with the media carrying water for him like they have and continue to do, I never suspected he would actually be less popular that George W. Bush. To me, that speaks volumes about how poor a president he really has been.

Bush now more popular than Obama - CNNPolitics.com
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President Bush is more popular than President Obama.

And President Carter is more popular than President Bush.

So what are you trying to say here?
 
ObamacareFail said:
Your problem is that you do not understand how politics, polling, and the mass media work. When Bush's numbers were in the 30s, he was constantly under attack from the mass media, which with the exception of Fox News, is largely compliant with the left. Journalism by it's very nature leans to the hard left. Obama would just about have to be caught in the act of eating live kittens to get his poll numbers into the 30s. Not to mention, many of those polls giving Bush those low numbers were caught stacking the respondents towards the left.
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Yeah, I don't know how the media works. LOL.

Unskew the polls, man. Worked for Romney.
 
Chomsky said:
President Bush is more popular than President Obama.

And President Carter is more popular than President Bush.

So what are you trying to say here?
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:lol:
 
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