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In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

"Food-shaming" wouldn't work on me. I was all about my kid's nutrition beginning with homemade baby food, but if they were still in school, I swear I'd pack nothing but soda and Twinkies and other crap.

But back to the important topic, if children are going hungry, they need to be fed. States and communities need to make this a priority.

Of course, that begs the question, "if" they are going hungry. The assumption is that they are. Based on what? There is not a chance I would support anything that would cause children to go hungry. They are the innocents, and they must be taken care of. But the line has been crossed.

Where are the parents getting food? Are they starving? Are they emaciated skeletons with barely the energy to get their kids off to school?

Of course there are special cases and those absolutely must be addressed. But we are light years away from that.
 
And Germany has it all:

High wages
High standard of living
High quality of Life
High union protection of trade workers
Good national universal healthcare
Good (nearly free) education at ALL levels
A minimum wage 1.5X ours.
A strong stable economy
3.5X 'exports as percentage of GDP' as ours
A strong manufacturing base similar to what we once had - and growing!

N.B. All the things that we've been told can't successfully co-exist.

Largely made possible because of their minimal spending on defense. We can have all that if we are ever willing to stop being the world police. (And our racism and class ism ever diminishes enough)
 
Perhaps you should catch up with the times so your opinion can come from a more informed place. The answer to your question is it would depend if the lunch they packed, or the breakfast they served, met the Progressive State directives.

Colorado Mom: I Was 'Lunch Shamed' For Giving My Daughter Oreos

An Aurora, Colorado mother named mother named Leeza Pearson packed Oreos as part of her daughter’s lunch and says she was subsequently “shamed” by school administrators. Apparently the teachers confiscated the cookies like they were heroin balloons and sent the child home with a stern note.

According to ABC News, the message to Pearson read:


“Dear Parents, it is very important that all students have a nutritious lunch. This is a public school setting and all children are required to have a fruit, a vegetable and a heavy snack from home, along with a milk. If they have potatoes, the child will also need bread to go along with it. Lunchables, chips, fruit snacks, and peanut butter are not considered to be a healthy snack. This is a very important part of our program and we need everyone’s participation.”​

Food police confiscate 4-year old’s lunch, bill parents :: Northern Colorado Gazette

A pre-school in North Carolina has created a stir around the country after it was reported that officials forced a child to eat a school lunch and billed the parent because her lunch brought from home did not meet school standards for nutrition.

The incident happened at the West Hoke Elementary school in Raeford. According to the North Carolina Journal, the four year old student’s mother, who wants to remain anonymous, had prepared a lunch for her daughter consisting of a turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, apple juice and potato chips.​


Now you may not like my accurate portrayal of "woe be", I really don't care. But when a parents decision on how to feed their child is met by the kind of crap depicted above, and in countless other articles I could post, it is indeed, woe be to the parents who fail to meet the Progressive State directives.

OK, so this has nothing to do with offering lunch as standard with public schools, but let's go with it.

You have a Colorado school from this year that took cookies, and then let's look at this.

"Brenda Dean, the director of Children's Academy, a private preschool program through Aurora Public Schools, said she is investigating the note, adding that it should not have gone out to any parent."

Dean said it is not school policy to tell parents what children can or can't eat for lunch. She plans to speak to the teacher to find out the situation.
School says no to Oreos in child's lunch

So Children's Academy is...dun dun dunnnnnnn PRIVATE. It's run through the Aura Public Schools, but is private. The people in charge said the lunch was fine, the note was inappropriate, and it was corrected.

So onto the second one. 2012, so three years ago, a school decided that a lunch a student brought wasn't healthy enough and provided additional items. Later it was deemed the lunch was OK. This, again, was overstated and the lunch was later deemed acceptable and the practice was corrected.

So what do we have in the end here as your proof that they're eliminating parents and woe be the person to step out of line. 2 stories in 3 years. Let's repeat that. 2 stories in 3 years. Less than 1 incident a year. How many public schools are there? How many public school students? And you have less than one a year.

Oh yeah, the government is really coming for us on this one. :roll: Run for the hills and don't step out of line because there is essentially a zero percent chance of any backlash against Oreos.

This is why your posts are hysterics. It's over-sensationalized tripe that makes it seem like there's this grand conspiracy when in the end you have nothing to back your point except 2 incidents over 3 years, each of which were corrected.
 
"Food-shaming" wouldn't work on me. I was all about my kid's nutrition beginning with homemade baby food, but if they were still in school, I swear I'd pack nothing but soda and Twinkies and other crap.

But back to the important topic, if children are going hungry, they need to be fed. States and communities need to make this a priority.

Food shaming isn't really a thing though. There were two incidents in 3 years both of which resulted in fixing the problem, which was not the lunch. So you could pack all that crap and feel no repercussion for doing so. It's just dramaqueening arguments that want to make it seem like the government is coming for our lunches or some other nonsense like that.

As it relates to this topic, I see nothing wrong in public schools offering lunch and breakfast for "free" (we'd pay for it, so it's not actually free, but not mandating additional costs for food). I would say, though, that since it is the government supplying the food (which is not required to be consumed), that they would have to provide healthy meals.
 
OK, so this has nothing to do with offering lunch as standard with public schools, but let's go with it.

You have a Colorado school from this year that took cookies, and then let's look at this.


School says no to Oreos in child's lunch

So Children's Academy is...dun dun dunnnnnnn PRIVATE. It's run through the Aura Public Schools, but is private. The people in charge said the lunch was fine, the note was inappropriate, and it was corrected.

So onto the second one. 2012, so three years ago, a school decided that a lunch a student brought wasn't healthy enough and provided additional items. Later it was deemed the lunch was OK. This, again, was overstated and the lunch was later deemed acceptable and the practice was corrected.

So what do we have in the end here as your proof that they're eliminating parents and woe be the person to step out of line. 2 stories in 3 years. Let's repeat that. 2 stories in 3 years. Less than 1 incident a year. How many public schools are there? How many public school students? And you have less than one a year.

Oh yeah, the government is really coming for us on this one. :roll: Run for the hills and don't step out of line because there is essentially a zero percent chance of any backlash against Oreos.

This is why your posts are hysterics. It's over-sensationalized tripe that makes it seem like there's this grand conspiracy when in the end you have nothing to back your point except 2 incidents over 3 years, each of which were corrected.

LOL

Thank you for your opinions. I've wasted enough time with you. Have a nice day. :peace
 
LOL

Thank you for your opinions. I've wasted enough time with you. Have a nice day. :peace

In other words. "****, he took apart my argument and I have nothing to rebut with".

It's ok, you can run off, you've proven nothing and can demonstrate no more than that. buh-bye.
 
In other words. "****, he took apart my argument and I have nothing to rebut with".

It's ok, you can run off, you've proven nothing and can demonstrate no more than that. buh-bye.

LOL

If that's what you need to think, I'm big enough to allow you to think it. Have a good day. :2wave:
 
LOL

If that's what you need to think, I'm big enough to allow you to think it. Have a good day. :2wave:

I thought you were done, why are you still commenting? Perchance you should go lament your inability to not feed your kids what you want. Even though you cannot prove that's a real thing.
 
Hungry children do not learn as well as well nourished kids. Letting kids go hungry perpetuates the cycle of poverty.

You make a good point. Anyway, of the things that the government spends my hard earned tax dollars on, this is certainly not the one that I'm going to be bitching about. Funny how the right NEVER complains about how much money we send the Pentagon, no problem sending Israel whatever they ask for. But feed the children right here in America, OH HELL NO, WE CANT HAVE THAT!! Just listen to them here.
 
You make a good point. Anyway, of the things that the government spends my hard earned tax dollars on, this is certainly not the one that I'm going to be bitching about. Funny how the right NEVER complains about how much money we send the Pentagon, no problem sending Israel whatever they ask for. But feed the children right here in America, OH HELL NO, WE CANT HAVE THAT!! Just listen to them here.

I just hate unfair overgeneralizations. I am a conservative, and I support feeding kids at school. For some kids, those meals are the only ones they'll have. The issue is the funding of school breakfast and lunch programs. As I said in an earlier post, communities and states need to make this a first priority.
 
Largely made possible because of their minimal spending on defense. We can have all that if we are ever willing to stop being the world police. (And our racism and class ism ever diminishes enough)
That's a good point.

I just had this discussion in real life, earlier today, and the same conclusion was reached. (re: Germany & our defense budget).

We also touched on Germany's more stringent immigration policies helping, as well.

But the separate issue that blows me away is: America's manufacturing is ~10% of GDP, while Germany's is ~43%! Ours is still falling, there's is growing! Growing well!

What the hey are they doing, that we're not???
 
Tax payer money going to good use certainly has *some* conservatives and libertarians all riled up, I see.
 
As it relates to this topic, I see nothing wrong in public schools offering lunch and breakfast for "free" (we'd pay for it, so it's not actually free, but not mandating additional costs for food). I would say, though, that since it is the government supplying the food (which is not required to be consumed), that they would have to provide healthy meals.

Though, unless food quality has changed in the time since I've been out of school (8ish years?), the kids might be better off going hungry :2razz:.
 
They keep on trying to solve issues of National importance with local half-measures.
Ok, free meals for children sounds good for a candidate's promises, and it would definitely help to win votes.
Ok, it can be called an improvement of Baltimores' poor economy, but how it will help blacks to get rid of their way of thinking?

It seems officials don't understand that ANY bonus won with riots is unconstitutional.
 
I don't know why they can't and frankly I don't really care as I'm not going to punish kids for it.

We shouldn't punish the kids, but the state should start punishing parents, child neglect is illegal
 
At one time people would think before having children.

The size of the American family has been getting smaller for well over 150 years with a few booms here and there but overall a decline. Our birthrates have been dropping in spite of the fact that we have more women who are at a prime age for giving birth. That means in terms of kids, we're having far fewer kids than our great grandparents, grandparents and parents did. If anything, there are fewer people having kids today than any one time since records of these records have been kept. That all indicates that people today think a lot more about having kids than any generation that came before us. :lol:
 
They keep on trying to solve issues of National importance with local half-measures.
Ok, free meals for children sounds good for a candidate's promises, and it would definitely help to win votes.
Ok, it can be called an improvement of Baltimores' poor economy, but how it will help blacks to get rid of their way of thinking?

It seems officials don't understand that ANY bonus won with riots is unconstitutional.

The riots had nothing to do with this. Let's be serious here.
 
Mankind should never let the government take control of, and responsibility for, children. That is a recipe for absolute disaster. All these Progressive State moves are designed to move the responsibilities for raising children farther and farther from the people who should be the only ones raising them. Rewarding ignorance and lack of responsibility if a debilitating and destructive action plan.

As more an more people become dependent on the Progressive State, when will the State start making family decisions for them? If you think family planning won't become a Government Agency under the Progressive State, you haven't paid attention to any history. It is a natural progression from where this all started. It all started with Milk. And now it's year round meals. When will the Progressive State start warehousing children so they can dole them out to areas of need the State deems important?
no, you keep being partisan even about such a humanistic issue
 
Though, unless food quality has changed in the time since I've been out of school (8ish years?), the kids might be better off going hungry :2razz:.

Hahah, yeah, that's why I would say that if government is going to provide it, it's got to be healthy. I would much rather we spend our tax dollars making ourselves better and looking out for our own than give a-ways to other countries, fighting Forever War, and corporate subsidies.
 
The riots had nothing to do with this. Let's be serious here.

Seriously you don't think free breakfast and lunch programs for children are in place to try and help black people get rid of their way of thinking? And it was only a bonus won from the riots? Come on!
 
The size of the American family has been getting smaller for well over 150 years with a few booms here and there but overall a decline. Our birthrates have been dropping in spite of the fact that we have more women who are at a prime age for giving birth. That means in terms of kids, we're having far fewer kids than our great grandparents, grandparents and parents did. If anything, there are fewer people having kids today than any one time since records of these records have been kept. That all indicates that people today think a lot more about having kids than any generation that came before us. :lol:

You might want to look at birth rates among some of our more recent arrivals. As it relates to the issue in this thread, you're theory is deeply flawed.
 
no, you keep being partisan even about such a humanistic issue

As it relates to the ideological agenda of the Liberal/Progressive left, you are correct. But in the end, it's not about partisanship, it's about trying to keep the Progressive State from creating a race of robots dependent on the State for everything. History shows that doesn't work out very well.
 
Only in America, does providing schoolkids food spark derisive & venomous objection ...

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
 
We shouldn't punish the kids, but the state should start punishing parents, child neglect is illegal
And what weight of punishment would you provide to deter parents so messed-up, they don't feed their kids?

Prison isn't deterring drug addiction, and losing one's kids isn't deterring mental illness.

In more severe cases Dad may be in jail, and Mom may be mentally ill or running the streets. You're going to deter parents like this with punishment?

Short of making the kids wards-of-state, what's your solution, and is it cost-effective?

Getting these kids in school and keeping them in acts as a social service for them in an environment where nothing else may be working, even their families.
 
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