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Black Sea. Remain Unprovoked.

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“The crew of the ship acted provocatively and aggressively, which concerned the operators of monitoring stations and ships of the Black Sea Fleet”

Russian military jets and US destroyer clash in Black Sea 'posing danger to stability' - Europe - World - The Independent

I don't like such incidents.
Really - neither we nor russians want such things to happen. One button pressed due to unclear command or one guy loosing his nerves may lead to irreversible things.
It's not for the first time, some of you may remember USS Donald Cook "deal".
Wargame is an ideal way to show military strength, I'm not an anti-war moron, just a realist.

Do we really need Russia to be our enemy?
 
Russian military jets and US destroyer clash in Black Sea 'posing danger to stability' - Europe - World - The Independent

I don't like such incidents.
Really - neither we nor russians want such things to happen. One button pressed due to unclear command or one guy loosing his nerves may lead to irreversible things.
It's not for the first time, some of you may remember USS Donald Cook "deal".
Wargame is an ideal way to show military strength, I'm not an anti-war moron, just a realist.

Do we really need Russia to be our enemy?

No, we don't, but somebody stands to benefit (wink wink, nod nod). And it's ok, it's not unreal to be anti-war, and take an honest approach to true last option.
 
Russian military jets and US destroyer clash in Black Sea 'posing danger to stability' - Europe - World - The Independent

I don't like such incidents.
Really - neither we nor russians want such things to happen. One button pressed due to unclear command or one guy loosing his nerves may lead to irreversible things.
It's not for the first time, some of you may remember USS Donald Cook "deal".
Wargame is an ideal way to show military strength, I'm not an anti-war moron, just a realist.

Do we really need Russia to be our enemy?

It is a risk. It will grow as more rising powers wrangle for power and their leaders try to impress their populations.
 
Russian military jets and US destroyer clash in Black Sea 'posing danger to stability' - Europe - World - The Independent

I don't like such incidents.
Really - neither we nor russians want such things to happen. One button pressed due to unclear command or one guy loosing his nerves may lead to irreversible things.
It's not for the first time, some of you may remember USS Donald Cook "deal".
Wargame is an ideal way to show military strength, I'm not an anti-war moron, just a realist.

Do we really need Russia to be our enemy?

Hey! That's Cold War for you.
 
It is a risk. It will grow as more rising powers wrangle for power and their leaders try to impress their populations.

The report does not say what this "clash" consisted of. Apparently armed Russian aircraft were for some reason ordered to fly close to a U.S. ship that was just sailing in international waters. Russian military ships and aircraft often pass close to the borders of this country. The U.S. can never allow another nation to dictate where our ships and aircraft may go outside that nation's territory, and I am sure the Russians take the same view.
 
The report does not say what this "clash" consisted of. Apparently armed Russian aircraft were for some reason ordered to fly close to a U.S. ship that was just sailing in international waters. Russian military ships and aircraft often pass close to the borders of this country. The U.S. can never allow another nation to dictate where our ships and aircraft may go outside that nation's territory, and I am sure the Russians take the same view.

Yes. That is why it will get more dangerous. Even with the US and Russia that have great experience with such things from the time of the Cold War, the danger of technological or human error is very large. With more powers entering the froth the danger of global devastation grow rapidly.
 
The report does not say what this "clash" consisted of. Apparently armed Russian aircraft were for some reason ordered to fly close to a U.S. ship that was just sailing in international waters. Russian military ships and aircraft often pass close to the borders of this country. The U.S. can never allow another nation to dictate where our ships and aircraft may go outside that nation's territory, and I am sure the Russians take the same view.

There's no dispute between the two countries on their rights to sail in international waters. The report says that because it was up against Russian waters, and the crew was behaving aggressively (which isn't defined in the piece) they became alarmed and went in for a closer look. Apparently after being passed over several times, the destroyer turned away for deeper waters.
 
Yes. That is why it will get more dangerous. Even with the US and Russia that have great experience with such things from the time of the Cold War, the danger of technological or human error is very large. With more powers entering the froth the danger of global devastation grow rapidly.

"Global devastation"?????? Are you helping frame the language for our next pre-emptive war. Perhaps we need to engage Russia (seemingly China, too!) now before they bring about "global devastation"!!!!!!!
 
Russian military jets and US destroyer clash in Black Sea 'posing danger to stability' - Europe - World - The Independent

I don't like such incidents.
Really - neither we nor russians want such things to happen. One button pressed due to unclear command or one guy loosing his nerves may lead to irreversible things.
It's not for the first time, some of you may remember USS Donald Cook "deal".
Wargame is an ideal way to show military strength, I'm not an anti-war moron, just a realist.

Do we really need Russia to be our enemy?

Y'know, it's kinda hard to keep from being Russia's enemy if they're determined to be our enemy.

And as far as I can find, that "Donald Cook deal" is a crock. The following paragraph from the story is illuminating:

After the incident, the foreign media reported that “Donald Cook” was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.

First off, there's a heck of a lot more than 27 crewmembers - it's standard complement is 281 officers and enlisted. Second, they can't just "file a letter of resignation"...and they sure as heck couldn't in an overseas port in a place like Romania! What's more, there's this little thing called the 'internet' - and every single one of those sailors has access to it and the MSM would have found out about it within a day, if not within a few hours. If that 'deal' had actually occurred, we'd know about it posthaste, because the Navy would be using it as an excuse to get more funding to upgrade the fleet.

In other words, this story isn't much different from the outrageous claptrap we often see put out by North Korea...and by Alex Jones, for that matter.
 
"Global devastation"?????? Are you helping frame the language for our next pre-emptive war. Perhaps we need to engage Russia (seemingly China, too!) now before they bring about "global devastation"!!!!!!!

Nope. That is the word for the outcome of non-cooperative games with multiple nuclear and near nuclear armed powers.
 
Hmm, I don't really get this "acting aggressively" and "the USS Ross was sighted heading straight for Russian waters after leaving the Romanian port of Costanta on Saturday." Anyone know what a map of the Black Sea looks like? Head straight out to sea from Constanta and you ARE heading for Russia, even though, keeping a straight heading, you'll have to steam 1600km before hitting the Russian coast.

And what exactly does 'acting aggressively' mean? Anyone?
 
Hmm, I don't really get this "acting aggressively" and "the USS Ross was sighted heading straight for Russian waters after leaving the Romanian port of Costanta on Saturday." Anyone know what a map of the Black Sea looks like? Head straight out to sea from Constanta and you ARE heading for Russia, even though, keeping a straight heading, you'll have to steam 1600km before hitting the Russian coast.

And what exactly does 'acting aggressively' mean? Anyone?
Actually sea borders have are not clear lines, but territories and that is the cause of all the precedents like this. In the times of mutual misunderstanding such things look suspicious.

But what about possible confrontation? We have carriers, it seems russia hasn't.
We have the best naval forces, they have the best silent service.

It's hard to compare two superpowers, and I pray for the Peace.
Just wanted to suppose the balance of Powers.
 
Actually sea borders have are not clear lines, but territories and that is the cause of all the precedents like this. In the times of mutual misunderstanding such things look suspicious.
Well, do we know exactly where in the Black Sea the confrontation took place? Russia has regarded the Black Sea as its domain for some time. You don't have any idea what behaviour by USS Ross they considered aggressive?
 
Seems there's not nearly enough info to form much of an opinion on.
 
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