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U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

upsideguy said:
...and your objective support/data for this statement is?????
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Workplace violence, specifically homicides on average for at least 2004-2008.

Workplace shootings Fact Sheet

And while terrorism risk is small in America at this time, at least for civilians, that doesn't mean that the potential isn't higher for this to happen, than to get shot by a cop for no reason. Based on the stats given, at most 77 were unarmed (they said "more than 80% armed though, so it is almost certainly less than that). Now, unarmed does not mean that the person was not a potential threat nor that they weren't resisting arrest, potentially trying to become armed. There is a reason that I put "without provocation" there.

At least 17 US American citizen civilians were killed by terrorist action last year. And unlike unwarranted police killings, which are normally the result of either overzealousness or out of control officers, terrorists are trying to kill Americans, and being thwarted. Police are not trying to kill us (at least the vast majority, and definitely not more likely than an average citizen).

Would you like a better example, such as gang violence, where the numbers are much higher. How many people are killed in mass shootings or random gun violence each year? I guarantee it is more than even 77 (which again, is the absolute most which were possibly shot without any provocation, and that is really stretching).
 
rocket88 said:
And what about the other 20%? Don't you think that the government killing 20% of the citizenry is a problem?

I find it nothing but amusing that the same people who claim to have been afraid of "Obama's death panels" are totally ok with the police killing hundreds of people. Is it ok as long as they're potentially Democratic voters?
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I'm sorry, where is the statistic that police have killed 60 million people?
 
Libertie76 said:
Resist arrest or the like, as in maybe making a sarcastic joke or ignoring an unlawful request, that tends to be the grounds for a police execution as well...

We have a right to life if we shut up and obey
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1) what people have to understand is that on the street, you have to comply even if its an illegal action.

2) get a lawyer and take it to court. many judges who are elected are less and less tolerant of cops screwing up. SO are many jurors.

3) that being said, cops are in a tough position. someone walks up what looks to be a pistol in a dark street or up to a cop car-they don't have much time to evaluate a situation. and if they screw up they die or they get publicly crucified
 
MathewSmith said:
WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
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You're " scared " ??

You should be scared of these Politically charged manufactured narratives thats led to a explosion in violence in City's like Baltimore.

I no, I'm not talking about prior to Freddy Gray.

Now we know " Black lives matter " only of the killer is a accused Police Officer.

You know who is also scared ? The people that now have to live in City's that are one accusation of " Police brutality " away from riots.

Or the people and their families who have been driven indoors due to the neutering of Police departments by the Obama DoJ and incompetent City prosecutors.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
"As far as I know". At least you finally got around to admitting that you don't know for sure if any officers were directly involved. Also, the 105 number was given for deaths in the last five months so deaths before Freddie Gray would not have necessarily made it to the national news. Shootings directly involving police aside, I suppose we shouldn't even mention how a proven corrupt police department could be indirectly involved in civilian-on-civilian shootings.
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Conspiracy Theory much???????
 
ThePlayDrive said:
"As far as I know". At least you finally got around to admitting that you don't know for sure if any officers were directly involved. Also, the 105 number was given for deaths in the last five months so deaths before Freddie Gray would not have necessarily made it to the national news. Shootings directly involving police aside, I suppose we shouldn't even mention how a proven corrupt police department could be indirectly involved in civilian-on-civilian shootings.
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So, you're saying that some of those murders were actually committed by cops? Based on what, exactly?
 
Iron River said:
Over 300 of these people were armed and as of today 0bama is encouraging Black people to kill cops so the number is a little low.

So you like the situation in Baltimore? That is what we get when the cops stand down and let people kill each other for making a sarcastic joke or just because. Force the cops to step back and innocent people are victimized in much greater numbers than the number of criminal punks that have been killed by cops.

The victims of the 300+ people that were armed when the cops killed them are the public at large. Do you want to let people who would confront cops with weapons remain on the streets and confront your family with those weapons??

That tells you something about the hand ringing about the number of troops being killed when it was less than the number of people who are killed from falls during the same period.
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Should we be critical of the police or just accept what they do without any response
 
jmotivator said:
Maybe don't use words you don't understand so that your arguments appear less stupid?
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Which words am I not understanding here? Neocons are like blindness followers of the police and believe that the police are always correct, and are ready to submit to the state. Which word do I not understand?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Unless you attack police officers with weapons, resist arrest, or the like stop being scared, your fear is irrational paranoia

All police killings are avoidable, by the suspect.
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https://www.justia.com/criminal/docs/calcrim/2600/2656.html

"[If a person intentionally goes limp, requiring an officer to drag or carry the person in order to accomplish a lawful arrest, that person may have willfully (resisted[,]/ [or] obstructed[,]/ [or] delayed) the officer if all the other requirements are met.]"


so even if you offer NO physical motion AT ALL, you can be charged with resisting.
LMAO, damned if you do....
 
SlevinKelevra said:
https://www.justia.com/criminal/docs/calcrim/2600/2656.html

"[If a person intentionally goes limp, requiring an officer to drag or carry the person in order to accomplish a lawful arrest, that person may have willfully (resisted[,]/ [or] obstructed[,]/ [or] delayed) the officer if all the other requirements are met.]"



so even if you offer NO physical motion AT ALL, you can be charged with resisting.
LMAO, damned if you do....
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Now find me someone shot over that, and yes that is resisting arrest
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Now find me someone shot over that, and yes that is resisting arrest
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My point was, you say (or implied) "JUST BE COMPLIANT", and , at the same time, the textbook definition of compliance (with respect to offering violent threat) is illegal.

Do you not see how fuxxxored that is?
 
Dittohead not! said:
I wouldn't live in such a neighborhood at all. Why don't they leave? There is no wall around the place.
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It's only a guess, but most older people aren't inclined to frequent mobility the way younger people are. I'm the type of person who finds a place I like and stays - others frequently move. I can imagine that many of the older people who live there and stay there have found their neighbourhoods deteriorating around them and they don't want to move - their little place is still their castle and they like it and like the familiarity. Add to that the costs of picking up a family and moving to a new city when you're living a paycheck to paycheck existence, and you have a recipe for invisible walls around your life. In the vast majority of cases, the city has failed them, they didn't fail the city.
 
Libertie76 said:
Which words am I not understanding here? Neocons are like blindness followers of the police and believe that the police are always correct, and are ready to submit to the state. Which word do I not understand?
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Neocon. It's patently obvious that you haven't the slightest clue what that word means.
 
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Libertie76 said:
You're right, the Republican Party has always been authoritarian....
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Again, stop using words unless you understand what they mean.
 
Interesting that the media and the OP are focusing on the 385 people shot in the last 5 months and not though considerable higher number of civilians shot and killed by criminals.
 
Libertie76 said:
Was the Republican Party in favor a national currency at it's founding or not...?
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So is this some new debate strategy to missuses words and defend it with non sequitur?
 
CMPancake said:
When in doubt, let's blame the victims of the problem instead of the actual problem.
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really....

you think the cops are the problem?

it couldnt be the complete and utter lack of respect that the boyz in the hood show officers?

it couldnt be the prevailing attitude of "**** you officer"....i dont have to listen to your ass

it couldnt be kids growing up in single family households, with zero discipline, and no good role models?

yeah...go ahead and blame the men in blue

all they do is put on the uniform and protect your ass on a daily basis
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, you're saying that some of those murders were actually committed by cops? Based on what, exactly?
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No, I'm not saying that because, unlike you, I'm not foolish enough to make a definitive statement about cases I haven't read through.
 
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