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U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

They would be contesting an illegal arrest or search. But moreso, they wouldn't be. Because public defenders have many times as many cases than they have time to work on, and so our criminal justice system is largely a plea bargain factory for incarcerating poor people who can't actually afford to defend themselves in a fair trial. And because poor people can't afford attorneys to press civil suits, so there's no one else to do it.I'll be sure to remember this post the next time you comment about people on welfare, or someone of a different race or religion than you. Since you aren't those people, you have no basis to make claims about them.Or maybe we have objective facts, studies, and statistics about things and the plural of anecdote is never data. So regardless of what you feel is correct based on your own experiences, they have nothing to do with the greater world around you.


Applies to the middle class as well. Most people of middle class means can't afford to defend themselves at trial either.
 
They would be contesting an illegal arrest or search. But moreso, they wouldn't be. Because public defenders have many times as many cases than they have time to work on, and so our criminal justice system is largely a plea bargain factory for incarcerating poor people who can't actually afford to defend themselves in a fair trial. And because poor people can't afford attorneys to press civil suits, so there's no one else to do it.I'll be sure to remember this post the next time you comment about people on welfare, or someone of a different race or religion than you. Since you aren't those people, you have no basis to make claims about them.Or maybe we have objective facts, studies, and statistics about things and the plural of anecdote is never data. So regardless of what you feel is correct based on your own experiences, they have nothing to do with the greater world around you.

Well, I guess if you want to remember it, that is your choice.

In the mean time, perhaps the "we" you refer to can step up and supply those objective facts, studies, and statistics about the entirety of the "poor black" experience you seem to be an expert with.
 
Surely the question you should be asking is not " why are police officers shooting so many people"? but instead " why are your Police being put In these situations more and more often"?

Is this stat more a reflection on how much more violent America has become rather than how much more violent the police have become?
 
At least the ones in Baltimore are free to be fully armed!

The criminals? Their victims? Or the innocent bystanders?

Latest victim was a mid-forties gentleman, five children, sitting on his porch passing time with his niece. Not exactly someone who should need to be armed.
 
Surely the question you should be asking is not " why are police officers shooting so many people"? but instead " why are your Police being put In these situations more and more often"?

Is this stat more a reflection on how much more violent America has become rather than how much more violent the police have become?

I'm guessing more likely these incidents have gone on for decades and are just now seeing the light of day because everyone has a camera now.
 
And what about the other 20%? Don't you think that the government killing 20% of the citizenry is a problem?
The government is killing 20% of its citizenry?? Really??? And are you really that naïve to believe that an unarmed man cant pose a lethal threat? Perhaps you are referring to that "gentle giant" in Fergusson who was just out for a Sunday stroll when he was gunned down by that racist cop. Tell you what, you become a cop and show the other cops how to do their jobs so as not to offend liberal sensibilities.

I find it nothing but amusing that the same people who claim to have been afraid of "Obama's death panels" are totally ok with the police killing hundreds of people. Is it ok as long as they're potentially Democratic voters?
I don't know what that has to do with anything, but if you agree that the criminal element of society is made up of liberals, then get your people under control and stop blaming cops for doing their jobs.
 
The criminals? Their victims? Or the innocent bystanders?

Latest victim was a mid-forties gentleman, five children, sitting on his porch passing time with his niece. Not exactly someone who should need to be armed.

All of them!

Oh, unless you're somehow poor or something. Then the police are fully justified in killing you.
 
The first one was a split second judgement call, not police malice, it was avoidable in that someone neglected to teach Tamir Rice that it's a bad idea to point replica guns at people.

The second one was an overreaction but incredibly rare. There was also a situation there where a 911 called made a 100% bogus call to get a response. The little wimp who called the cops should've been charged with a Felony level offense and made an example of to other potential swatters.

Those are two out of a thousand, exceptions that prove the rule

It is no rule, and the first example would mean that shooting children with toy guns is acceptable.

I would say nearly every boy from the age of 6 to 14 has played with toy guns, and has pointed them at someone. According to you, the police are justified in shooting every boy that has done so.

Like everyone one, the police have to be held accountable for their actions, and if they kill someone without justification, they should be held to the same laws that others are held to. The three examples I posted are all not justifiable, and the police involved should be punished for at least manslaughter or attempted manslaughter
 
And what about the other 20%? Don't you think that the government killing 20% of the citizenry is a problem?

I find it nothing but amusing that the same people who claim to have been afraid of "Obama's death panels" are totally ok with the police killing hundreds of people. Is it ok as long as they're potentially Democratic voters?
20% of the citizenry would be about 60 million people. I think you must mean 20% of the people who were shot were not carrying weapons.

When you stop to think just how quickly a cop has to react when it looks like a suspect is going for a weapon, that's really not so bad, is it?
 
The government is killing 20% of its citizenry?? Really??? And are you really that naïve to believe that an unarmed man cant pose a lethal threat? Perhaps you are referring to that "gentle giant" in Fergusson who was just out for a Sunday stroll when he was gunned down by that racist cop. Tell you what, you become a cop and show the other cops how to do their jobs so as not to offend liberal sensibilities.

I don't know what that has to do with anything, but if you agree that the criminal element of society is made up of liberals, then get your people under control and stop blaming cops for doing their jobs.

Don't these people have a Second Amendment right to be armed? Shouldn't someone be standing up for their rights? Where's the NRA?
 
What gives the police officer that ability when they've shown time and time again how capable they are at ignoring the training and how abusive of authority they have... Basically you did not answer my question.

How is it more effective then as citizen who has no incentive to abuse authority since the citizen has no inherently larger amount of authority then anyone else.

Civilians have just as much or more incentive to abuse power, everyone is human. We all have potential to treat others like crap for some gain or just because.
 
All of them!

Oh, unless you're somehow poor or something. Then the police are fully justified in killing you.

The police didn't kill any of the 38 people in Baltimore who've been murder in the last month since the Freddie Gray incident. Criminals don't need justification for the murders they commit. How about the young mother and her child who were murdered in their home in the Freddie Gray neighbourhood? Guess the black marchers aren't too concerned about those two young black lives. Those two deaths aren't going to get any self important Mayor or Prosecutor camera time with the national media. Baltimore Mayor must be in hiding lately - wonder if she still has her police protection.
 
20% of the citizenry would be about 60 million people. I think you must mean 20% of the people who were shot were not carrying weapons.

When you stop to think just how quickly a cop has to react when it looks like a suspect is going for a weapon, that's really not so bad, is it?

You're right. But I still think that one citizen needlessly dying at the hands of the government is too many.
 
You're right. But I still think that one citizen needlessly dying at the hands of the government is too many.

I agree.
On the other hand, one cop shot by a gang banger because the cop hesitated is too many as well.
 
The police didn't kill any of the 38 people in Baltimore who've been murder in the last month since the Freddie Gray incident. Criminals don't need justification for the murders they commit. How about the young mother and her child who were murdered in their home in the Freddie Gray neighbourhood? Guess the black marchers aren't too concerned about those two young black lives. Those two deaths aren't going to get any self important Mayor or Prosecutor camera time with the national media. Baltimore Mayor must be in hiding lately - wonder if she still has her police protection.

But if all of them were armed they wouldn't die. At least that's what we keep hearing.

I think citizens lives matter. Regardless of their race.
 
Since you are all about the odds, the odds of being killed by a cop are still much, much greater than being killed by a terrorist.

So, if you are saying we are over-stating the problem of cops killing citizens are you not also saying, by extension of logic, that we are WAY overstating the problems with terrorism?

The odds of being killed without provocation by a cop are much lower than be killed by some terrorist action, even lower than the odds of being killed by a disgruntled coworker or in some random shooting incident. Very few police killings, even shootings are innocent civilians and an overzealous cop, compared to the total number.
 
It is no rule, and the first example would mean that shooting children with toy guns is acceptable.

I would say nearly every boy from the age of 6 to 14 has played with toy guns, and has pointed them at someone. According to you, the police are justified in shooting every boy that has done so.

Like everyone one, the police have to be held accountable for their actions, and if they kill someone without justification, they should be held to the same laws that others are held to. The three examples I posted are all not justifiable, and the police involved should be punished for at least manslaughter or attempted manslaughter

Actually, most children are taught to not point a weapon at someone if the parents have any knowledge whatsoever of gun safety, and the more real the gun looks, the more this should be stressed.

Would it have been different if it had been a civilian who shot the kid for pointing what he or she believed to be a real gun at them?
 
But if all of them were armed they wouldn't die. At least that's what we keep hearing.

I think citizens lives matter. Regardless of their race.

You don't hear me saying that, but if I lived in such a neighbourhood, I wouldn't be outside too much and I'd be prepared to defend myself by whatever means necessary.
 
You are mistaken. Here's the decision for you to read if you like. The salient point is here:

That's exactly what I said, non dangerous fleeing criminal.

So I was right.
 
Don't these people have a Second Amendment right to be armed? Shouldn't someone be standing up for their rights? Where's the NRA?

That's just stupid.
 
You're right. But I still think that one citizen needlessly dying at the hands of the government is too many.

Everybody thinks that. But life isn't like that.
 
Don't these people have a Second Amendment right to be armed? Shouldn't someone be standing up for their rights? Where's the NRA?
You might want to visit the Progressive policies of all our major cities where most of the shootings occur. Some ban guns others make it damn near impossible to own one for their own protection but criminals don't seem to have a problem finding one.
 
You might want to visit the Progressive policies of all our major cities where most of the shootings occur. Some ban guns others make it damn near impossible to own one for their own protection but criminals don't seem to have a problem finding one.

That's nice. But if it's all the fault of the left, why isn't the right wing standing up for their rights?

If everyone is armed, how does that make for fewer shootings? How do you know which are criminals if they're not comitting a crime?
 
You're scared as hell? Over 300 million people and you are scared as hell because about 1,000 per year or killed by the police?

Do you think they just shoot you for jaywalking? Minding your own business?

Frankly, the numbe surprises me not at all.

Look, if you don't want to get shot by the police then don't break the law or if they pull you over to question you even by mistake - do everything they say.
You follow these two guidelines and I GUARANTEE you that a cop will not shoot you.

Problem is as clearly demonstrated in the case where the Officer shot the man repeatedly in the back.
As a senior Police Officer stated, the Officer had all the information needed to make an arrest later. Address, ID the whole picture. No need to pursue, none.
He then stated that many of today's newer Officer take it farther than needed such as in cases of pursuit.
 
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