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U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

You don't have any authority to put me under arrest. No court would recognize your authority to do so, ....

Not so. Citizen arrest is a common law idea and is recognized in the United States and some states have gone as far as codifying the practice in their statutes.

A shopkeeper detaining a shoplifter has in essence effected a citizens arrest.

What citizens don't get that police do is qualified immunity. If the cop improperly detains you nothing will likely happen to him. If a citizen improperly detains someone he may face arrest himself.
 
You don't have any authority to put me under arrest. No court would recognize your authority to do so, and especially not to use deadly force. You would be found guilty of murder. How do you reform a situation where someone takes on authority, as you would be trying by attempting a stupid citizen's arrest (can't be made where I live). I don't care how "disgraceful" you find the argument.

Prove that she was "beat almost to death". Her ex-daughter in law claims that isn't what happened at all. And videotaped the incident.

Citizen's Arrest - FindLaw

Give me one reason besides training that would qualify my judgement less of a standard of a police officer, please give me one reason why if I shoot a person for running away during a citizens arrest it's considered murder, and if a police officer does it it's considered a relative misconception, or excusable.

Now when you say "police officers have undergone training" let's look at the second part of my argument, your utterly disgrace to human existence, actually thinking it's excusable for a young man to beat an old lady.

1. The old lady was not under arrest, so she was free to disobey the police officers instructions
2. The old lady violated no restraint order, which means the officer had no reason to tell her to leave
3. The old lady imposed absolutely no threat to the general welfare or surrounding community, meaning the police office used force for no reason
4. Even if the lady video taped her, it doesn't negate the fact that a police officer PEPPER SPRAYED A 78 YEAR OLD WOMEN AND SLAMMED HER TO GROUND AND PULLED HER OUT OF THE CAR CAUSING INJURIES BECAUSE HE LADY REFUSED TO LEAVE THE CAR WHEN SHE WAS NOT UNDER ARREST

Prove she was almost beaten to death, she's a 78 year old lady's thrown on the grown and pepper sprayed while being yelled at by a young man, are you kidding me?

Now with all this happening, and remember this is just one incident I can show you multiple videos of police officers assaulting the very elderly because they didn't recognize what the request was, do you honestly think training makes that much of a difference, in retrospect, where was the training on this incident and how does it prove that police officers are more equipped to make better judgements on how to handle a situation then I am or yourself.
 
Not so. Citizen arrest is a common law idea and is recognized in the United States and some states have gone as far as codifying the practice in their statutes.

A shopkeeper detaining a shoplifter has in essence effected a citizens arrest.

What citizens don't get that police do is qualified immunity. If the cop improperly detains you nothing will likely happen to him. If a citizen improperly detains someone he may face arrest himself.

Basically it's excusable if a pissed off cop beats a 78 year old lady
 
Meanwhile, there were 2363 gang related homicides in 2012.

Moreover:

In a typical year in the so-called “gang capitals” of Chicago and Los Angeles, around half of all homicides are gang-related; these two cities alone accounted for approximately one in four gang homicides recorded in the NYGS from 2011 to 2012.

But, that was three years ago. I couldn't find stats more recent.

Does anyone believe that gang murders have gone down since then? Anyone... anyone?
 
It's interesting to note that most posters who are defending police here are applying their own circumstances to the problem. Middle class white people are imagining a lone encounter with police going south, and saying that you just go along with the arrest and argue in court. Instead, most of these victims are poor black kids who are harassed constantly by police and aren't often arrested. They're being subject to extrajudicial punishment from police and have no recourse in the courts to fight it, especially since they can't afford lawyers. Does anyone really think that an overworked public defender is going to explore constitutional issues of police conduct for them? Of course not. There's going to be a quick plea deal. NONE of the recourses and suggestions offered by comfortable middle class white people will help poor blacks escape constant harassment and abuse from police. And no one should have to simply obey in such a situation.
 
It's interesting to note that most posters who are defending police here are applying their own circumstances to the problem. Middle class white people are imagining a lone encounter with police going south, and saying that you just go along with the arrest and argue in court. Instead, most of these victims are poor black kids who are harassed constantly by police and aren't often arrested. They're being subject to extrajudicial punishment from police and have no recourse in the courts to fight it, especially since they can't afford lawyers. Does anyone really think that an overworked public defender is going to explore constitutional issues of police conduct for them? Of course not. There's going to be a quick plea deal. NONE of the recourses and suggestions offered by comfortable middle class white people will help poor blacks escape constant harassment and abuse from police. And no one should have to simply obey in such a situation.

So the constant harassment you have experienced as a poor black person is the basis of your conclusion?
 
I swear I think the 24 hour news cycle and social media have most Americans thinking they all live in a small town.

Police have always killed around 700-1000 people annually. Civilians have routinely killed from 2-3,000 annually in self defense.

In a nation of more than 300 million, 400 million in just 20 years or so, those are trivial numbers.
 
WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!

It doesn't say U.S. police have shot 385 innocent people minding their own business. Most likely, U.S. police shot murderers, rapists, and other felons in situations that the use of deadly force was necessary. I am sure in the vast majority of cases the police would much rather arrested them than shoot.
 
Interesting that 92% were 'mentally ill'. Perhaps we can trace this back to the patient rights (PC) movement advocates that put many of the mentally ill out on the streets several decades ago?
 
WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!

Here is an idea. Why don't we fire all the cops and let you and those like you become the police?

Why someone would still be a cop in some places is beyond me. Do you and people like you actually stop and consider what cops have to go through and what they face on the streets everyday? You say you're afraid of the cops, but they are not supposed to be afraid while out on dangerous streets? Perhaps they are supposed to let people who are unarmed beat them to death so that it does show up as another cop killing someone.
 
You're agreeing to that risk by driving, you're not agreeing to swat team swarming your house and shooting your kid or wife due to a mistaken identity.
There are certain risks associated with living in the United States. One of those risks is an out of control unaccountable police force. They can barge into your house and shoot your child in the back of the head. Or throw a flash grenade to incinerate your baby in it's crib. Or if you're driving down the street the cops can rob you off all the cash and valuables on your person (literal highway robbery).
 
Unless you attack police officers with weapons, resist arrest, or the like stop being scared, your fear is irrational paranoia

All police killings are avoidable, by the suspect.

Certainly not all

In the last twelve months I recall at least two that were not avoidable by the "suspect"

a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a park, the police roll up fast, get out of the car and shoot the kid, no talking, no attempt to have the kid put the toy gun down, just immediate shooting

a young man playing with a toy gun in a store, the police are called, (tac team) when seeing the man the police open fire, the man had zero possibility of putting the toy gun down.

A third incident did not involve the death, but at a traffic stop in a parking lot the man was out of his truck as the cop pulls up, asks the man for id, the guy goes to get it from the truck, the cop opens fire hitting the man a few times.

Those are just a few
 
Yea say that to the victims who were shot because they were running away from the cops, or the 80 year old granny that almost died because she was giving her grandchild baked goods

Police might be entirely justified in shooting to death a person who was running away, if they knew that person had just killed someone intentionally and could not stop him from escaping in any other way.
 
A third incident did not involve the death, but at a traffic stop in a parking lot the man was out of his truck as the cop pulls up, asks the man for id, the guy goes to get it from the truck, the cop opens fire hitting the man a few times.

Those are just a few

That's one of the favorite tactics of cops for killing people and getting away with it. Ask for ID and then when the person tries to get it cops claim that they were scared and kill the unwitting suspect. Many sociopaths like the thrill of killing and can sate their bloodlust by joining the police force.
 
WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!

It has been a long time since I drove through a slum, but remembering it it seems less surprising that so many citizens might get shot by the police. That does not mean that the number is not more than a decimal too large.
 
That's one of the favorite tactics of cops for killing people and getting away with it. Ask for ID and then when the person tries to get it cops claim that they were scared and kill the unwitting suspect. Many sociopaths like the thrill of killing and can sate their bloodlust by joining the police force.

Evidence? No? Didn't think so.
 
There are certain risks associated with living in the United States. One of those risks is an out of control unaccountable police force. They can barge into your house and shoot your child in the back of the head. Or throw a flash grenade to incinerate your baby in it's crib. Or if you're driving down the street the cops can rob you off all the cash and valuables on your person (literal highway robbery).

Oh yeah I forgot that's what I signed up for when I decided to pay the income tax
 
There are certain risks associated with living in the United States. One of those risks is an out of control unaccountable police force. They can barge into your house and shoot your child in the back of the head. Or throw a flash grenade to incinerate your baby in it's crib. Or if you're driving down the street the cops can rob you off all the cash and valuables on your person (literal highway robbery).

Yes, many is the sleepless night I've spent worrying about those horrific attacks. In a wretched country like this, I suppose they are just part of daily life. Why, only the other day in my town, the stormtroopers, aka police, walked up to an adorable little five-year-old girl who was doing nothing more harmful than playing with a ball in her front yard, and shot her a dozen or more times in the head. They did it just for fun, as her mother looked on in horror. As the blood streamed out over the child's golden curls, the wretched murderers guffawed, and shocked witnesses recalled that the mother's anguished screams seemed to amuse them all the more.
 
Why, only the other day in my town, the stormtroopers, aka police, walked up to an adorable little five-year-old girl who was doing nothing more harmful than playing with a ball in her front yard, and shot her a dozen or more times in the head. They did it just for fun, as her mother looked on in horror. As the blood streamed out over the child's golden curls, the wretched murderers guffawed, and shocked witnesses recalled that the mother's anguished screams seemed to amuse them all the more.
That's very similar to the Tamir Rice shooting.
 
I am not blaming anyone. I am quite sure the cops kill some people that are innocent once in a while.

But the odds of that happening to you if you do not break the law are probably minuscule.

Just the general odds - 1,000 out of 300+million is 300,000 to 1 against being killed by the police...I'd say those are pretty good odds. Don't break the law and those odds probably skyrocket to millions to one.

How on Earth you can be scared to death about being killed by a cop (assuming you are law abiding) when the odds are millions to one against it happening is beyond me.

It's why the lottery does so well in this country.
 
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