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U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
I'll admit that math has never been my strength...but a quick check of the numbers indicates that by what YOU present, the police have shot 365 criminals armed with deadly weapons and 20 that were NOT armed with a deadly weapon, though whether or not they were carrying something like the airsoft gun in Ohio...it does not say. 92 of those shot were mentally ill, indicating they could be suicide by cop candidates.

So what exactly is your fear again?
 
I see. So, one incident is proof of, "That's one of the favorite tactics of cops for killing people and getting away with it"? Really? That's what I thought.
Oh I didn't know you wanted every instance documented of cops shooting people who were reaching for their keys, wallets, phones. Of course I've played this game with you people before. As expected you're already moving the goalposts.
 
Oh I didn't know you wanted every instance documented of cops shooting people who were reaching for their keys, wallets, phones. Of course I've played this game with you people before. As expected you're already moving the goalposts.

I moved no goalposts. You made a claim, and have no way of backing it up. Typical leftist.
 
I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!

How did it get this bad? We've had a lousy economy for almost 8 years. Historically, crime peaks during bad economies. The longer the bad economy, the worse the crime rate. However, it is important to note that this bad economy is an exception. We've had a declining crime rate in recent years. What can you do to change the situation? Teach people not to attack police or avoid arrest.
 
I moved no goalposts. You made a claim, and have no way of backing it up. Typical leftist.
OMG "typical leftist" retort. I gave you a specific example of something you claimed doesn't happen. So you moved the goalpost and said "oh that's only one time".
 
I see. So, one incident is proof of, "That's one of the favorite tactics of cops for killing people and getting away with it"? Really? That's what I thought.

If it was a private industry, the police, it would be out of business for that exact incident
 
Not so. Citizen arrest is a common law idea and is recognized in the United States and some states have gone as far as codifying the practice in their statutes.

A shopkeeper detaining a shoplifter has in essence effected a citizens arrest.

What citizens don't get that police do is qualified immunity. If the cop improperly detains you nothing will likely happen to him. If a citizen improperly detains someone he may face arrest himself.

You have no authority to kill someone who resists a citizens arrest, even if you think they are a threat.

And NC does not allow citizens arrests. Shoplifters cannot be detained by store owners/workers here, not even security people.
 
Added: Reading the HuPo article they cite several of the 'unarmed' cases. 3 of the ones they discuss show individuals fighting with cops and being shot during the altercation and at least one was involved in a felony hit and run with the cop by running over his foot and trying to escape in a vehicle.

Not saying there werent some unrighteous shootings...but when you pin your star to Mike Brown...well...
 
OMG "typical leftist" retort. I gave you a specific example of something you claimed doesn't happen. So you moved the goalpost and said "oh that's only one time".
I never claimed it does not happen. I only asked for evidence to support your assertion that it's "...one of the favorite tactics of cops for killing people and getting away with it."
 
An alarming and growing percentage of our population are wired for violence and are useless in general.

I find this number surprisingly low and indicative of great restraint by the police.
 
If it was a private industry, the police, it would be out of business for that exact incident

Oh bull****, private industry gets away with **** all the time.

Do you people think all of your "blame the cops first" rhetoric is helping the situation?
 
Citizen's Arrest - FindLaw

Give me one reason besides training that would qualify my judgement less of a standard of a police officer, please give me one reason why if I shoot a person for running away during a citizens arrest it's considered murder, and if a police officer does it it's considered a relative misconception, or excusable.

Now when you say "police officers have undergone training" let's look at the second part of my argument, your utterly disgrace to human existence, actually thinking it's excusable for a young man to beat an old lady.

1. The old lady was not under arrest, so she was free to disobey the police officers instructions
2. The old lady violated no restraint order, which means the officer had no reason to tell her to leave
3. The old lady imposed absolutely no threat to the general welfare or surrounding community, meaning the police office used force for no reason
4. Even if the lady video taped her, it doesn't negate the fact that a police officer PEPPER SPRAYED A 78 YEAR OLD WOMEN AND SLAMMED HER TO GROUND AND PULLED HER OUT OF THE CAR CAUSING INJURIES BECAUSE HE LADY REFUSED TO LEAVE THE CAR WHEN SHE WAS NOT UNDER ARREST

Prove she was almost beaten to death, she's a 78 year old lady's thrown on the grown and pepper sprayed while being yelled at by a young man, are you kidding me?

Now with all this happening, and remember this is just one incident I can show you multiple videos of police officers assaulting the very elderly because they didn't recognize what the request was, do you honestly think training makes that much of a difference, in retrospect, where was the training on this incident and how does it prove that police officers are more equipped to make better judgements on how to handle a situation then I am or yourself.

Training and authority. You don't have it.

You don't get to decide what force can or cannot be used against someone in an arrest or even just detainment.
 
Training and authority. You don't have it.

You don't get to decide what force can or cannot be used against someone in an arrest or even just detainment.

What gives the police officer that ability when they've shown time and time again how capable they are at ignoring the training and how abusive of authority they have... Basically you did not answer my question.

How is it more effective then as citizen who has no incentive to abuse authority since the citizen has no inherently larger amount of authority then anyone else.
 
Oh bull****, private industry gets away with **** all the time.

Do you people think all of your "blame the cops first" rhetoric is helping the situation?

Let's say a security company tells someone to empty their pockets and then kills them as they do it, how long would the security company last?

Yes because it's showing the light on how abusive and inadequate government tends to be
 
Let's say a security company tells someone to empty their pockets and then kills them as they do it, how long would the security company last?

Yes because it's showing the light on how abusive and inadequate government tends to be
Conservatives love government when it comes to a police state. They just can't get enough.
 
I am not blaming anyone. I am quite sure the cops kill some people that are innocent once in a while.

But the odds of that happening to you if you do not break the law are probably minuscule.

Just the general odds - 1,000 out of 300+million is 300,000 to 1 against being killed by the police...I'd say those are pretty good odds. Don't break the law and those odds probably skyrocket to millions to one.

How on Earth you can be scared to death about being killed by a cop (assuming you are law abiding) when the odds are millions to one against it happening is beyond me.


Since you are all about the odds, the odds of being killed by a cop are still much, much greater than being killed by a terrorist.

So, if you are saying we are over-stating the problem of cops killing citizens are you not also saying, by extension of logic, that we are WAY overstating the problems with terrorism?
 
WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!

I got a pretty good idea. About the same time that schoolyard fistfights turned into neighborhood drive-by shootings. The cops are getting higher kill stats because the criminal dregs in society are getting deadlier. The cops have to deal with the crackhead, boozed infused, immoral, mentally deranged scum of humanity on a daily basis. WE call them to. If you want the police kill stats to drop, next time some asshole is brandishing a weapon in some convenience store you frequent, CALL A PLUMBER!

Do the math people. Society has changed. A measurable percentage of our youth idolizes the "gangsta" image.

There is no parental direction. Hell, the parents are worse.

The music on their radio tells them to beat bitches and **** police.

Their chest thumping, bad-ass wannabe, lyrics leads the way. Yo!

They can pick up a "chopper," on almost any street corner faster than I can buy a gallon of milk. (Don't expect any help from the nutter crowd on that.)

Society is different. I would expect the police kill stats to trend the same.

And I don't expect we'll see any change until the people stop blaming the solution and quit making excuses for the problem.
 
So the constant harassment you have experienced as a poor black person is the basis of your conclusion?

No, I'm neither poor nor black. But apparently I'm uncommonly capable of understanding that my experiences aren't universal. That I have not suffered this harassment does not mean that others don't. That's something that you and many others seem not to understand.
 
Conservatives love government when it comes to a police state. They just can't get enough.

They can't get enough of quoting mises while they promote more government too
 
Let's say a security company tells someone to empty their pockets and then kills them as they do it, how long would the security company last?

Yes because it's showing the light on how abusive and inadequate government tends to be

While I agree with you that government tends to be abusive and inadequate, I don't think blaming the cops first in every situation is helpful.
 
Conservatives love government when it comes to a police state. They just can't get enough.

More leftist lies. There's just no end to it. Can't you people ever get your point across without lying?
 
While I agree with you that government tends to be abusive and inadequate, I don't think blaming the cops first in every situation is helpful.

Police abuse is a consequence of an unregulated industry.

I don't blame cops, I blame he individuals however, an unregulated industry, police force, will create more instances of this occurrence to happen
 
It's interesting to note that most posters who are defending police here are applying their own circumstances to the problem. Middle class white people are imagining a lone encounter with police going south, and saying that you just go along with the arrest and argue in court. Instead, most of these victims are poor black kids who are harassed constantly by police and aren't often arrested. They're being subject to extrajudicial punishment from police and have no recourse in the courts to fight it, especially since they can't afford lawyers. Does anyone really think that an overworked public defender is going to explore constitutional issues of police conduct for them? Of course not. There's going to be a quick plea deal. NONE of the recourses and suggestions offered by comfortable middle class white people will help poor blacks escape constant harassment and abuse from police. And no one should have to simply obey in such a situation.

Why would a public defender's office be involved in charging police with violating a person's civil rights?
 
Police abuse is a consequence of an unregulated industry.

I don't blame cops, I blame he individuals however, an unregulated industry, police force, will create more instances of this occurrence to happen
It's far from unregulated.
 
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