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China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

Montecresto said:
As I have been saying for some time now, China and Russia have vocalised their objections to a US dominated uni-polar world, citing global security concerns. They also have somewhat declared the need to push back on it. Dr. Roberts is no doubt right in pointing out that the White House seems determined to block the rise of these two key nuclear powers, while the two of them are not willing to join the worlds acceptance of Washington's hegemony.
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What if they two unite against us?
 
Luftwaffe said:
Fail, China was building ghost cities in order to keep people employed and keep China's growth rate from falling. Said ghost cities don't really have any more use outside of that and now they are actually becoming detrimental to the economic state of China.

Don't tie in economics with conspiracy theories. It's a lot more intellectual than that.
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Perhaps you’re right. I live 10 miles from one of them. In one of the big public parks there’s a huge underground shelter with ‘Public shelter’ written on it. There are no earthquakes or floods in the region. If the proverbial ever hits the fan, that’s where I’ll be heading. Conspiracy theory or not, I’m glad I know it’s there, the why doesn’t concern me.
If a disaster occurs, the 'fail' will be having nowhere to run to. :)
 
John V said:
Can you imagine the lights going out in Europe or America for more than a few hours? It’s having problems now keeping the lid on civil unrest.
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Why, just today we had a few hours of power shortage, and not a person out in the streets doing civil unrest down here in Europe.

John V said:
No doubt someone will pop up and say no one would dare challenge the U.S. to which I’d reply; they already have.
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So the game is on, no biggie. What matters is not to escalate it.
 
John V said:
Sandwiched between the usual banal topics of gay marriage and Ferguson, is a U.S. threat to send ships and aircraft to the South China sea over the disputed islands. America claims that the dispute is about territorial rights in the sea itself and China says it’s about the islands themselves.

Do you, like me, get a feeling of a possible big catastrophe coming in the not too distant future?

An American response
China cautions U.S. Navy on patrols in South China Sea - CNNPolitics.com
‘Washington (CNN)—The U.S. is considering deploying aircraft and ships to contest Chinese claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
Options are on the table to fly surveillance aircraft and sail Navy ships nearby in a move that puts the U.S. directly into a contentious territorial contest in East Asia, in which, until now, the U.S. has avoided overtly taking sides.’

China replies
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-25/war-will-be-inevitable-unless-us-stops-meddling-terrotorial-dispute-chinese-state-ne
'A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
“If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.'

Will America back down? Possibly the idea will be shelved, or it might end in a stalemate. America will sail through the South China seas as it’s entitled to do but keeping well away from the islands and stick it’s tongue out and China will boast it didn’t intervene because it didn’t come near the islands. Face saved on both sides and everyone goes home happy.
The alternative is that America does intrude on the islands in which case China will react. The loss of face, which are often grounds for suicide in Asia, will force them to do so.

An alternative view
http://rt.com/news/257841-russia-china-us-hegemony/
"The White House is determined to block the rise of the key nuclear-armed nations, Russia and China, neither of whom will join the "world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony," says head of the Institute for Political Economy, Paul Craig Roberts.
Dr Roberts believes that neither Russia, nor China will meanwhile accept the so-called "vassalage status accepted by the UK, Germany, France and the rest of Europe, Canada, Japan and Australia." According to the political analyst, the "price of world peace is the world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony."

I think what America increasingly has to accept is that there are two new kids on the block called Russia and China and both have threatened to use nuclear weapons. China is not in opposition to a U.S. military presence in places like Japan or South Korea, but like Putin with the Ukraine and now China with the islands dispute, both are increasingly drawing red lines of their own in their own backyards.
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Garbage post. No threat of Nuclear except by USA warmongers that want to increase the sale of weapons by inciting fear.
 
polgara said:
Some sort of compromise is very necessary now, since heavy-handedness on anyone's part could destroy this planet, and every living thing on it.
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Hey Polgara :2wave:

Technically, the planet has sustained much worse destruction during its infancy. I am sure it can withstand out A-Bombs too.

Some living things on earth may survive also. Including some groups of people.

But civilizations could come to an end as we know it.

polgara said:
I am also including the ME in my post, since they are generally getting away with things we won't put up with from any other region on this globe - while we demonize Russia and China for trying the same thing? That's nonsense! Let's have a little honesty here!
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Russia and China are not trying to get away with their atrocities. They commit them and stand behind their acts defiantly (and sometimes proudly).
 
John V said:
In less than one generation it has become the most hated country in the world and it needs to ask itself why.
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Some limitations may be in order,

The world does not hates USA. If you consider challenging this counter response do so with references please.
 
jet57 said:
I don't see a perfect storm coming. China is just posturing again and they're putting on a show for the Japanese. There is a territorial 'disagreement' going on between the two and this looks to me to be the next logical step.
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Yes, with US ally.

jet57 said:
MY problem with this is what's up with all the local countries in the area? They can't man their own front?
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Alone against China?
 
What's so funny about thread titles like this is that you don't even need to read the article to know that it isn't true.
 
DDD said:
Yes, with US ally.



Alone against China?
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Yes, and yes! Maybe they can enlist the help of the Dardanians. Americans are weary of perpetual conflict!
 
celticwar17 said:
I honestly really dislike the People's republic of China and most....not all... Ethnic Chinese people...
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Don't know what to say. My best man was Chinese. (He lived for many years in Hong Kong but now lives and works in Singapore.) Awesome guy. I work with several folks from Mainland China today. They're not the rude, chauvinistic persons your describe. They're all--every last one of them--great people just trying to make a living like everyone else, and they love America! Most of them have adopted English given names. One has a son who's a physician in the U.S. Air Force, and another couple has a daughter who's a kick-ass college student and is as American as apple pie.
 
Ahlevah said:
You mean like the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere," in which Asia (including a large chunk of China) was supposed to be a vassal of Japan? I don't think Singapore, Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Taiwan, Malaysia, Australia, or even Vietnam want the U.S. out of Asia.

U.S. navy renews call for ship visits to Vietnam as tensions worsen | Reuters
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Yep, USFP planners have decided its time to suck it up, make amends with Vietnam, grease some palms, in order to secure the use of the Vietnam era DWP that will help our ambitions of holding China down from its inevitable rise to undisputed regional power, at least.
 
Montecresto said:
Yep, USFP planners have decided its time to suck it up, make amends with Vietnam, grease some palms, in order to secure the use of the Vietnam era DWP that will help our ambitions of holding China down from its inevitable rise to undisputed regional power, at least.
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These is no problem with China becoming a regional power, assuming it behaves repsonsibly. In fact, I think the U.S. would prefer more engagement and cooperation globally by the Chinese instead of its tendency to stick its head in the sand and just focus on its commercial interests. The problem is China seems to think it owns all of the South and East China Seas.
 
Ahlevah said:
These is no problem with China becoming a regional power, assuming it behaves repsonsibly. In fact, I think the U.S. would prefer more engagement and cooperation globally by the Chinese instead of its tendency to stick its head in the sand and just focus on its commercial interests. The problem is China seems to think it owns all of the South and East China Seas.
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As the US seems to think it has been charged with policing the entire planet.

A Military Futurist Explores War in the 21st Century, envisions that China’s submarine fleet could be two times as large as the U.S. fleet by 2017.[17] Steven W. Mosher insists that China is building up its armed forces “to break America’s back in Asia and thus end America’s reign as the sole superpower in the world.”[18] He claims that China will try to assert its influence in Asia in order to build a foundation from which it may challenge the U.S. globally. After doing this, forecasts Mosher, the Chinese military—even using its new submarines to do so—will try to neutralize U.S. allies, and expel the U.S. military from its bases in the Pacific.

http://www.e-ir.info/2011/07/15/why-the-precarious-rise-of-china-will-not-lead-to-global-hegemony/
 
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Ahlevah said:
We figured out somewhere around 1938 that isolation wasn't an option.
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The US shed its (only somewhat, mind you, isolationism) when we set out to war with Spain, a half century earlier, to expand our territorial holdings. As ever before, the problem remains hypocrisy.
 
Ahlevah said:
We figured out somewhere around 1938 that isolation wasn't an option.
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Btw, there's plenty of options between isolationism and global police, but in your attempt to legitimize US imperialism, I wouldn't expect you to look for that.
 
Montecresto said:
Btw, there's plenty of options between isolationism and global police, but in your attempt to legitimize US imperialism, I wouldn't expect you to look for that.
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Well, I would look for it if were relevant to the thread. China's territorial claims against virtually every country in Asia have nothing to do with U.S. imperialism, unless your argument is because the U.S. took the Philippines and some sand in the Marianas from Spain, China can be a bully, too?
 
Montecresto said:
Btw, there's plenty of options between isolationism and global police, but in your attempt to legitimize US imperialism, I wouldn't expect you to look for that.
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So what would you suggest we do, if anything, when it comes to China using land reclamation to assert its claim to the Spratly Islands?
 
Ahlevah said:
So what would you suggest we do, if anything, when it comes to China using land reclamation to assert its claim to the Spratly Islands?
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What is it you want to do about vietnams reclamation projects in the Spratly's , and their placement of artillery to assert IT'S claims to the Spratly islands.
 
Ahlevah said:
Well, I would look for it if were relevant to the thread. China's territorial claims against virtually every country in Asia have nothing to do with U.S. imperialism, unless your argument is because the U.S. took the Philippines and some sand in the Marianas from Spain, China can be a bully, too?
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I'm sure all nations, given sufficient power are capable of bullying. Including the US, there is no example of a global or even strong regional power not bullying its weight.
 
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