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Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

Thrilla said:
Iran wasn't part of the decision to remove Saddam.... i'm not sure why you are pretending they were.
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Who said that. My point was that the decision has been beneficial to them.
 
Thrilla said:
no, those aren't terrorist acts.

and I stand opposed to terrorism.
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Thrilla doesn't think acts of terorism include:

-burning crops
-dropping bombs
-propaganda & psychological warfare
-training & supplying arms to terrorists
-attacking ships, factories and other unprovoked targets
-sabotage through bombs and other explosives
-doing all these acts covertly


Now let's just say America is not a military might anymore and some country decided to do the exact same things to the US. Still don't think it's terrorism.
 
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Tuatara said:
Thrilla doesn't think acts of terorism include:

-burning crops
-dropping bombs
-propaganda & psychological warfare
-training & supplying arms to terrorists
-attacking ships, factories and other unprovoked targets
-sabotage through bombs and other explosives
-doing all these acts covertly


Now let's just say America is not a military might anymore and some country decided to do the exact same things to the US. Still don't think it's terrorism.
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The fringe right supports all forms of terrorism so long as the U.S. does it and doesn't get caught/denies it when it does.
 
Thrilla said:
well, you have to start by being capable of accurately defining terrorism...something you and the other guy are most obviously having problems with.

States are not terrorists, nor do they commit terrorist acts.

a State can be a sponsor of terrorism, or a supporter of terrorist groups, but it can't be a terrorist group in and of itself.
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A state can absolutely carry out acts of terrorism. Who's defining this as you see it, show me.
 
CRUE CAB said:
His loyalty needs to be with the US.
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So diplomacy is a traitorous act?


Not with Cuba and other nations that wish to harm us. Now or in the past.
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We fought two wars against Britain. Clearly they wished us harm in the past. According to your logic, we should just continue holding that grudge.
 
Montecresto said:
I feel the same way, not much of a supporter, but credit where credits due, this is a success. And had Bush done this, there'd be no end to the praises of him, and the right would be declaring the capital benefits that will be realized as a result. Partisan politics are so damn destructive.
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Amen to that.
 
Geoist said:
So diplomacy is a traitorous act?




We fought two wars against Britain. Clearly they wished us harm in the past. According to your logic, we should just continue holding that grudge.
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Is Britain 90 miles off our coast?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Is Britain 90 miles off our coast?
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Isn't it great how our president makes nice with murderous regimes like Cuba and Iran? How stupid were all the other presidents before him that just didn't want to deal with terrorist, dictatorial, hostile countries?

And I see all the Obama supporters here, just as clueless. But I guess it's working, because the big dummy announced to them that we are more respected in the world than ever before. And they eat that right up, without question.

He may be the worst, most damaging president we ever had, but he could never have done it without the army of convenient idiots that put him in office.
 
Anthony60 said:
Isn't it great how our president makes nice with murderous regimes like Cuba and Iran?
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C'mon... Dont even act like the reason we have or dont have diplomatic relations with certain countries has to do with their human rights record or if they are "murderous"....
How stupid were all the other presidents before him that just didn't want to deal with terrorist, dictatorial, hostile countries?
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We dont have relations with other "hostile" countries?
And I see all the Obama supporters here, just as clueless. But I guess it's working, because the big dummy announced to them that we are more respected in the world than ever before. And they eat that right up, without question.
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Well whats the actual, valid reasoning to keep them on this list, and not to have diplomatic relations with Cuba?
He may be the worst, most damaging president we ever had, but he could never have done it without the army of convenient idiots that put him in office.
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Whats going to happen with relations with Cuba? What will be the consequences?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
C'mon... Dont even act like the reason we have or dont have diplomatic relations with certain countries has to do with their human rights record or if they are "murderous".... We dont have relations with other "hostile" countries?Well whats the actual, valid reasoning to keep them on this list, and not to have diplomatic relations with Cuba?Whats going to happen with relations with Cuba? What will be the consequences?
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Every country is different, that's why you can't just say, "Well, we trade with country A, so why shouldn't we trade with country B?"
Unless you are so uninformed, as is Obama, to think that it is all the same.

What has Cuba done for us to deserve this? They spy on us, sell information to the Russian, and spread anti American rhetoric throughout Central America.

Why should we help a police state like Cuba keep it's grip on it's people?
 
From the Council on Foreign Relations.

The United States has maintained an economic embargo, a broad travel ban and a host of punitive diplomatic measures against Cuba for nearly 50 years. Keeping such policies on the books any longer serves no foreign policy, national security or even substantial domestic political agenda: the status quo undermines all three. I am not the first person to argue that the time has come to open a different chapter with Cuba, nor are you the first president who will read a memo arguing as much. In fact, you are the 10th president of the United States to inherit a broken and utterly small-minded policy toward Cuba. And you are the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower to take office when Fidel Castro was not at the helm on the island.

Memo to President Obama - Council on Foreign Relations
 
Anthony60 said:
Every country is different, that's why you can't just say, "Well, we trade with country A, so why shouldn't we trade with country B?"
Unless you are so uninformed, as is Obama, to think that it is all the same.
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So whats the reasoning behind Cuba? Because you reasoning of, "well they dont have a good human rights record" is quite hypocritical, especially when held up to A LOT of countries we do business with...

What has Cuba done for us to deserve this?
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What have they done since the cold war not to?

They spy on us, sell information to the Russian, and spread anti American rhetoric throughout Central America.
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You know what they say to this: "You tried to overthrow our government. Invade us. Had plans to kill our leader 638 times. Blockaded us (which technically is a declaration of war). Had the UN on a 23rd almost unanimous vote tell the US to end the blockade. Occupied part of our land. Harbored a terrorist who murdered 73 innocent Cubans. Spread anti-Cuban rhetoric throughout Cuba. Send numerous spies be them direct CIA or via 'USAID' (which has admittley been used as a spy program in Cuba).". So I guess one can say Cubas actions are in "defense" of their basic sovereignty, no?

Why should we help a police state like Cuba keep it's grip on it's people?
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Again. Dont act like the US gives a **** about whether a country is a police state or not...
 
CRUE CAB said:
Lessee, we almost had missiles 90 miles off our coast. Now we can have ISIS 90 miles off our coast. Brilliant.
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So just so I get this straight... the Cuban government... gives up its violent oppression of religious groups (which includes Muslims), welcomes with open arms people who share no religious/cultural/ethnic connection to the country... and allows them to set up shop? Is that what you're saying is going to happen?
 
CRUE CAB said:
90 miles off the coast of Florida?
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Mexico was pretty bad for the better part of the 20th century. It is actually attached to the US. You've probably never heard of the perfect dictatorship though.
 
Hatuey said:
Mexico was pretty bad for the better part of the 20th century. It is actually attached to the US. You've probably never heard of the perfect dictatorship though.
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So, just because one crap bag nation is attached to us we should be cozy with another.
 
Hatuey said:
So just so I get this straight... the Cuban government... gives up its violent oppression of religious groups (which includes Muslims), welcomes with open arms people who share no religious/cultural/ethnic connection to the country... and allows them to set up shop? Is that what you're saying is going to happen?
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Have they given up said oppression?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Have they given up said oppression?
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I asked you a question about what you thought was going to let ISIS station itself in Cuba, are you going to answer or not?

CRUE CAB said:
So, just because one crap bag nation is attached to us we should be cozy with another.
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Why do you ask questions if you're not ready to address them with actual arguments? You had questioned whether we've dealt with dictatorships before, then when you were provided with answers, you moved the goalposts to be about the 90 miles, when that was answered you now respond that we shouldn't do the same thing with every nation. If you're going to answer with such nonsense, why even try to have a discussion on this issue?
 
Roadvirus said:
Did the Cuban government give anything in return? No? Then that makes it "appeasement".
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There you go with your assumptions again. There's this Really New internet tool -it's called "Google" - try it sometime. You can use that to see what Cuba has done so far on the path to normalized relations with America.
 
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