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Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

CRUE CAB said:
I see NO reason for establishing relations with that country.
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Well we're going to anyway, and you'll see, it will have benefits for all.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Lessee, we almost had missiles 90 miles off our coast. Now we can have ISIS 90 miles off our coast. Brilliant.
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before that we had OUR missiles in Turkey.....but we removed them to appease the Soviets.
 
Geoist said:
The word 'failure' would imply he didn't achieve his goals. No, his goal has been to normalize relations with Cuba so this is definitely a success for Obama.

And I am far from an Obama supporter.
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I feel the same way, not much of a supporter, but credit where credits due, this is a success. And had Bush done this, there'd be no end to the praises of him, and the right would be declaring the capital benefits that will be realized as a result. Partisan politics are so damn destructive.
 
UtahBill said:
before that we had OUR missiles in Turkey.....but we removed them to appease the Soviets.
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Is Turkey 90 miles from anything important. Or you would have been just fine with missiles in Cuba.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Is Turkey 90 miles from anything important. Or you would have been just fine with missiles in Cuba.
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They were in striking distance of Moscow. I'm just pointing out that US took an agressive military position first. I'm not fine with missiles being in either place. The missiles in Cuba are long gone but the imposed blockade and restrictions still live on almost 60 years later.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Is Turkey 90 miles from anything important. Or you would have been just fine with missiles in Cuba.
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the Soviets seemed to think so....they had every reason to be paranoid about missiles on their doorstep as we were....
 
CRUE CAB said:
Lies? Castro's regime has been one of the most brutal dictatorial in history.
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would that include genocide? unless it does, brutal probably isn't applicable...
 
Tuatara said:
They were in striking distance of Moscow. I'm just pointing out that US took an agressive military position first. I'm not fine with missiles being in either place. The missiles in Cuba are long gone but the imposed blockade and restrictions still live on almost 60 years later.
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Pointing out hypocrisy in USFP will earn you the anti-American label, but don't let that deter you!!
 
CRUE CAB said:
You have a serious lacking of historical knowledge if you think an open borders policy with Cuba is a good idea.
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so you have said, twice now, with no facts to present to the contrary.....sounds like you only read history as written by American Conservatives....
an open border with Cuba can't be any worse than our open border with Mexico has been.
 
UtahBill said:
so you have said, twice now, with no facts to present to the contrary.....sounds like you only read history as written by American Conservatives....
an open border with Cuba can't be any worse than our open border with Mexico has been.
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So cant be worse means its good to go?
 
CRUE CAB said:
You have a serious lacking of historical knowledge if you think an open borders policy with Cuba is a good idea.
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And you have a serious hatred for our president that completely blocks all objectivity. There have been modest improvements in Cuba, and normalizing relations with them will have the positive effect of motivating further reforms. Try for once to set your hatred of Obama aside, and support this positive development.

In a deal that was coordinated with the help of the Cuban Catholic Church and Spain, he released all of the political prisoners in Cuba. He also is taking a number of steps that imply a major rewriting of the social contract in Cuba to shrink the size of the state and give Cuban individuals more freedom--economically, especially, but also in terms of speech--than we've seen in the last fifty years. He has privatized the residential real estate and car market, expanded much-needed agrarian reform, lifted caps on salaries, and greatly expanded space for small businesses. He also is moving to deal with corruption and to prepare the groundwork for a great deal more foreign investment. He's moving in the direction of the kind of reforms that every administration over the last fifty years has called upon Cuba to make, albeit under the rubric of a one-party system. There's a broad range of cooperation--neighborhood security in the Gulf of Mexico, as Cuba has just started drilling for oil, counternarcotics, and natural disasters.

The Frozen U.S.-Cuba Relationship - Council on Foreign Relations
 
Montecresto said:
And you have a serious hatred for our president that completely blocks all objectivity. There have been modest improvements in Cuba, and normalizing relations with them will have the positive effect of motivating further reforms. Try for once to set your hatred of Obama aside, and support this positive development.

In a deal that was coordinated with the help of the Cuban Catholic Church and Spain, he released all of the political prisoners in Cuba. He also is taking a number of steps that imply a major rewriting of the social contract in Cuba to shrink the size of the state and give Cuban individuals more freedom--economically, especially, but also in terms of speech--than we've seen in the last fifty years. He has privatized the residential real estate and car market, expanded much-needed agrarian reform, lifted caps on salaries, and greatly expanded space for small businesses. He also is moving to deal with corruption and to prepare the groundwork for a great deal more foreign investment. He's moving in the direction of the kind of reforms that every administration over the last fifty years has called upon Cuba to make, albeit under the rubric of a one-party system. There's a broad range of cooperation--neighborhood security in the Gulf of Mexico, as Cuba has just started drilling for oil, counternarcotics, and natural disasters.

The Frozen U.S.-Cuba Relationship - Council on Foreign Relations
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Yes, I hate this president. Or at least his ideas and direction he has set for us.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Yes, I hate this president. Or at least his ideas and direction he has set for us.
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Some response to a post full of Cuban progress. Why'd you even quote it.
 
Paschendale said:
I explained how your premise is wrong.
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That is your opinion. I do not care about opinions. I care about facts.

You dont have facts, and I dont feel like smelling your opinion. Shoo.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So cant be worse means its good to go?
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What have the Cuban people done to you?
Still waiting for any evidence you actually know more history than the rest of us....
As for me, I lived in Cuba for 3 years in the early 70's, and my daughter was born there.
 
UtahBill said:
What have the Cuban people done to you?
Still waiting for any evidence you actually know more history than the rest of us....
As for me, I lived in Cuba for 3 years in the early 70's, and my daughter was born there.
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Where to start? Other that running south Florida into the ground. Not much.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Lies? Castro's regime has been one of the most brutal dictatorial in history.
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I can think of probably 20 off the top of my head, just in my lifetime, that have been more brutal.
 
CRUE CAB said:
90 miles off the coast of Florida?
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Why does that matter? Is Cuba going to invade us soon?

I can think of one that was probably worse a few hundred miles further. Haiti.
 
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