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Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

To the bolded, hmm??? The US is built on stolen property. Do you really think that only socialists steal property, that America's history and origins is socialistic? Or is that different in your mind. Like when a group of men blow up civilians it's terrorism, but if a group of men blow up civilians with instructions or financing from a state it's something else, not sure what you'd call it, probably not even a crime, probably foreign policy. :roll:

It is simple fact that Castro first nationalized all private foreign-owned companies in Cuba..... and then nationalized all remaining privately owned businesses not long after that.... yes, he even stole his own peoples property.

not every Socialist regime steals private property.. but Castro sure as hell did.
 
It is simple fact that Castro first nationalized all private foreign-owned companies in Cuba..... and then nationalized all remaining privately owned businesses not long after that.... yes, he even stole his own peoples property.

not every Socialist regime steals private property.. but Castro sure as hell did.

First of all, I'm not supporting the Castro dictatorship, or any of the things that you listed here. But I support Obama's decision on this, I think it will help, if so, what's the problem, if it makes matters worse, your next republican president can shut down our embassy again. And I see you didn't speak to the fact that every bit of the United States exists by conquest!!!
 
First of all, I'm not supporting the Castro dictatorship, or any of the things that you listed here. But I support Obama's decision on this, I think it will help, if so, what's the problem, if it makes matters worse, your next republican president can shut down our embassy again. And I see you didn't speak to the fact that every bit of the United States exists by conquest!!!

what or who you you support.. or why... is irrelevant to any of this.
the foundational history of the US has absolutely nothign to do with anything in this discussion... so why would I need to address it?

as Obama is extremely limited in what he can do on this front, so I don't have too many real problems so far....thankfully his pen and phone aren't as powerful as he thinks they are.
opening dialogue might be good at some point, but not until the Castros are dead and gone....it's a rather useless endeavor at this point in time.
personally, I think Obama knows this, but is using this is a sort of presidential legacy entry..... an easy "win" that doesn't have any meat to it.
 
what or who you you support.. or why... is irrelevant to any of this.
the foundational history of the US has absolutely nothign to do with anything in this discussion... so why would I need to address it?

as Obama is extremely limited in what he can do on this front, so I don't have too many real problems so far....thankfully his pen and phone aren't as powerful as he thinks they are.
opening dialogue might be good at some point, but not until the Castros are dead and gone....it's a rather useless endeavor at this point in time.
personally, I think Obama knows this, but is using this is a sort of presidential legacy entry..... an easy "win" that doesn't have any meat to it.

Right, so why are you even bitching about this? Good god, go sit on the porch and watch the sunset and ask yourself, why do I bitch about every single thing that Obama does, everything?!!!!! Drink a beer.
 
Right, so why are you even bitching about this? Good god, go sit on the porch and watch the sunset and ask yourself, why do I bitch about every single thing that Obama does, everything?!!!!! Drink a beer.

I'm not bitching.. you're just overly defensive over Obama,like many other lefties, you just get mad when folks disagree with your messiah.
additionally, I don't bitch about everything Obama does.. not even about most of what he does.... not even half.


no beer for me, thanks... I drink scotch and smoke herb, like a real man should.
 
I'm not bitching.. you're just overly defensive over Obama,like many other lefties, you just get mad when folks disagree with your messiah.
additionally, I don't bitch about everything Obama does.. not even about most of what he does.... not even half.


no beer for me, thanks... I drink scotch and smoke herb, like a real man should.

I'm very critical of Obama. Gitmo's still open, the lobbyists are increasing in DC, whistleblowers are prosecuted more aggressively by him then any previous president, he's violating sovereign nations regularly, picking fights with the Russians and the Chinese, has advanced ME policies that have been beneficial only to the Islamic State.............. The dudes not my messiah, he's just right on Cuba and you're ****ING WRONG ABOUT IT!
 
I'm very critical of Obama. Gitmo's still open, the lobbyists are increasing in DC, whistleblowers are prosecuted more aggressively by him then any previous president, he's violating sovereign nations regularly, picking fights with the Russians and the Chinese, has advanced ME policies that have been beneficial only to the Islamic State.............. The dudes not my messiah, he's just right on Cuba and you're ****ING WRONG ABOUT IT!

no, i'm not wrong... I have a different opinion than you, based on different reasoning ( very little of which you are privy to)

... you'll understand the difference one day..
 
no, i'm not wrong... I have a different opinion than you, based on different reasoning ( very little of which you are privy to)

... you'll understand the difference one day..

You're also wrong that I think Obama's messiah, couldn't concede that either though. :roll:
 
Yes, so what is your point? Is there a rule that the left thinks exits, that says we must treat all countries the same, even though every single country is different?

You're right. Our government doesn't care how murderous a regime is... as long as it supports our corporate interests.
 
Tell you what - lose your house and go bankrupt because you couldn't pay for your medical care, because your insurance company dropped you because you either had a preexisting condition or the cost of your care had hit its lifetime cap...and then come back and tell us how 'free' you are now, since you and your family are now flat broke and you can't afford any health care at all. Read my signature quote below - it applies very well.

LOL!!! Jeez, I would have to fall pretty far to want Obama care!!! Is that your lame argument, that this extremely unlikely scenario would have to occur for Obama care to even look desirable? Wow, I'd win the lottery before all that happened. That's fantastic, you made my argument for me. So what do you figure, we should give up our freedom of choice in the very unlikely event that this happens? Here's a little hint, I'd still choose freedom over government mandates. Oh boy, that's a good one.

BTW, that quote is for weak minded fools.

Um, no. You've got partisanship politics confused with freedom. Right now, today, you and every other American have more rights than the American people as a whole have ever had.

Your ignorance is showing.

Y'know, Buckley and Goldwater were quite conservative...but the meaning of 'conservative' has changed greatly from what it once was. In fact, Obamacare itself was an invention by the VERY conservative Heritage Foundation...

Gee, it was? They worked with Obama on it? He had their full support? Tell me, what did they do to promote Obamacare? I'm sure you can come up with pages and pages of conservative organizations supporting Obamacare, specifically. (I won't be holding my breath waiting for you).

Obamacare is quite conservative in that we ALL need health care sooner or later - every single one of us

Huh??? Quite conservative? Now showing that you have no idea what conservative values are. "Obamacare is quite conservative"-- Glen Contrarian 6/08/15

Do you lefties have no shame? Is there anything you won't say, no matter how ignorant and embarrassing your statement is?
I would say that most conservatives today really don't know the meaning of 'conservative' - otherwise, why would they have opposed taking away tax breaks from corporations outsourcing jobs overseas?
LOL, like you do!

In other words, guy, 'freedom' sounds really nice...until you start realizing that your personal idea of 'freedom' really sucks for those who ain't already rich.

Yeah, that Freedom crap isn't all it's cracked up to be. Big government, taking your earnings, mandating your life, killing the economy -- that's where it's at! We should all want that. Again, you big government freaks will say anything. How do you look yourselves in the mirror?
 
You're right. Our government doesn't care how murderous a regime is... as long as it supports our corporate interests.

That's funny, I didn't post anything of the sort. You need to comprehend a little better... or at all.
 
you are missing a key ingredient here....Germany had a total regime change and Cuba didn't.
CRUE CAB didn't make that distinction. Even if Cuba had a more significant regime change he would still be against it. His argument is completely irrational.

And the key ingredient you are missing here is that normalization of relations means regime change in Cuba.
 
CRUE CAB didn't make that distinction. Even if Cuba had a more significant regime change he would still be against it. His argument is completely irrational.
I'm not arguing for or against him... but let him speak to his own position.

And the key ingredient you are missing here is that normalization of relations means regime change in Cuba.
there's absolutely no evidence of that being true at all...
 
And Obama officially appeases yet another dictatorship!

I'd imagine there'd be a whole different tune being sung here if it were ol' Ronnie that tore down this wall.
 
are the Nazis still in power?

Nah.. But my quote was in reference to how he was saying we need to remember how Cuba had missiles off our coast so we best not forget our history... as an excuse to not normalize relations with Cuba.
 
I'm not arguing for or against him... but let him speak to his own position.
He already has, and I refuted it, as have many others.

there's absolutely no evidence of that being true at all...
The only certainty is that economic sanctions have utterly failed to bring down the regime and liberalize the system. With normalization comes American money and tourism. The U.S. will have a stronger foothold in Cuba. More influence than before, and a potentially positive one. Trade and tourism are more likely to influence regime changes than isolation.

This is an excellent article I would recommend everyone to read if interested.
The Cuban Regime Is a Defeated Foe - WSJ
 
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The only certainty is that economic sanctions have utterly failed to bring down the regime and liberalize the system. With normalization comes American money and tourism. The U.S. will have a stronger foothold in Cuba. More influence than before, and a potentially positive one. Trade and tourism are more likely to influence regime changes than isolation.

This is an excellent article I would recommend everyone to read if interested.
The Cuban Regime Is a Defeated Foe - WSJ

the problem with that theory is ..capitalist liberal countries already deal with Cuba...such as Canada.
over a million Canadians travel to Cuba for tourism....and yet nothign changes in Cuba.. it's still oppressive, the govt still owns everything, and they are immune to influences.
Canada trades with Cuba, and yet Cuba still remains the Cuba we all know.

there's no evidence that a capitalist or liberal presence can or will result in a positive changes.... the opposite has been proven.... it's wishful thinking.

I'm tellin' ya, as long as the Castro clan is in power, ain't **** gonna change.... they are thoroughly invested in remaining a kleptomaniacal oppressive marxist dictatorship.

but i'm a reasonable guy.... if Fidel drags his sorry ass in front of me, bends down on all 4's , and allows me to put a ****ing bullet through his diseased ****ing brain housing group... I'll support normalization 100%, no questions asked.
it ain't political for me... it's personal.
 
the problem with that theory is ..capitalist liberal countries already deal with Cuba...such as Canada.
over a million Canadians travel to Cuba for tourism....and yet nothign changes in Cuba.. it's still oppressive, the govt still owns everything, and they are immune to influences.
Canada trades with Cuba, and yet Cuba still remains the Cuba we all know.

there's no evidence that a capitalist or liberal presence can or will result in a positive changes.... the opposite has been proven.... it's wishful thinking.

I'm tellin' ya, as long as the Castro clan is in power, ain't **** gonna change.... they are thoroughly invested in remaining a kleptomaniacal oppressive marxist dictatorship.

but i'm a reasonable guy.... if Fidel drags his sorry ass in front of me, bends down on all 4's , and allows me to put a ****ing bullet through his diseased ****ing brain housing group... I'll support normalization 100%, no questions asked.
it ain't political for me... it's personal.

How far do you extend this logic of "we shouldnt have relations with authoritarian regimes"?
 
How far do you extend this logic of "we shouldnt have relations with authoritarian regimes"?

personally, I'm in favor of barring relations with any oppressive authoritarian regimes.

my personal opinion doesn't really jive with geopolitical "realities", though.
 
You're right. Our government doesn't care how murderous a regime is... as long as it supports our corporate interests.

I'm glad you think that I am right, because I am. But it looks like you are responding to the wrong post, since I didn't say anything like that.

But, you are on to something. Obama does seem to have a very high tolerance for other people's suffering.
 
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