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Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty[W:203]

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so you CANT tell me why im not on topic? got it

1.) really, so the posts i quoted just doet exist huh? i made it all up. A poster didnt make the false claim decades in prison could be "fixed" . . i guess somebody should go back and delete post 60 and 208 then LMAO sorry but im not wrong the claim was made and its false
2.) never said I wanted it to give back time LOL please stick to things actually said and not make up strawman because just like the claim it could be fixed got destroyed any false claims or me wanting back time would be destroyed too

abolishing the death penalty doesnt address the false conviction that are going on right now either . . .

truth remains the claim that abolishing the death penalty "fixes it" is not a fact

Abolishing the death penalty addresses the executions as a result of false convictions.
 
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1.)You've not destroyed my argument.
2.) You've simply evaded it.
3.)Your entire hypothetical about what happens to you after 20 years in prison is completely irrelevant to this subject.
4.) It is relevant to a discussion of how the state should compensate wrongly convicted people and help them reintegrate into society by but it has nothing to do with a death penalty discussion.
5.)Similarly your arguments about what goes on in prison are appropriate to discussions on prison reform. They have nothing to do with the death penalty.
6.) No system will ever be perfect and with your comment that we need "to fix the system" you've implied one if two things:

A. That the system can be made perfect or,
B. That the error rate can be reduced to an acceptable level.

7.) Since you now claim that the system cannot be made perfect you must then believe that there is an acceptable error rate. What is it?

1.) its been factually destroyed because its been proven its not fixable . . only in your subjective opinion do you think so
2.) this is a bold faced lie because i attacked head NOTHING was evaded . . post history proves that also . . try again
3.) actually since that showed how your statement is factually false its 100% relevant, it shows its not a "fix" like you falsely claimed
4.) see #3 you have already been proven wrong, it address your false claim of it being fixable
5.) also false . . you cant claim that wrongful life in prison is fixable and not talk about what the life in prison may actually be, thats just silly, NOBODY honest, educated and objective will buy that dishonesty
6.) already addressed this failed strawman . . never claimed any system would be perfect . . . if you disagree simply quote me saying that . . you will fail
7.) already answered this . . .

maybe you will answer ANY of the question i asked you instead of running from them and dodging them lol

fact remains your statement is not a fact and claiming it can be fixed is nothing more than your subjective opinion and one that has been shown to be horrifically under thought
 
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Abolishing the death penalty addresses the executions as a result of false convictions.

and what does that factually fix again? oh thats right . . .we already established that and proved the answer was . . . nothing . .
 
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and what does that factually fix again? oh thats right . . .we already established that and proved the answer was . . . nothing . .

Okay. So if you're falsely convicted and given the death sentence, the people at the Innocence Project can tell you, "Hey, we'd love to overturn your conviction but obviously that would fix nothing, so have a nice death and all."

Good thinkin.'
 
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Okay. So if you're falsely convicted and given the death sentence, the people at the Innocence Project can tell you, "Hey, we'd love to overturn your conviction but obviously that would fix nothing, so have a nice death and all."

Good thinkin.'
yep that exactly what i said! LMAO
another failed starwman . . . .
 
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yep that exactly what i said! LMAO
another failed starwman . . . .

Alright, so let's say you're falsely convicted and you're on death row. Do we work to get your conviction overturned or would that fix nothing? We're here to serve you, AgentJ. Tell us how we can help.
 
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Alright, so let's say you're falsely convicted and you're on death row. Do we work to get your conviction overturned or would that fix nothing? We're here to serve you, AgentJ. Tell us how we can help.


how can YOU serve me?

what does any of that have to do with previously identified statement being proven false?

thats right . . .nothing

to answer your question though on how to serve, you can stop with failed strawmen, thanks!
 
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how can YOU serve me?

what does any of that have to do with previously identified statement being proven false?

thats right . . .nothing

to answer your question though on how to serve, you can stop with failed strawmen, thanks!

I just want to make sure we do the right thing -- I wouldn't want to disrespect your wishes. Do we help overturn your conviction or would that fix nothing?

And by the way, simply saying "strawman" doesn't make it a strawman. You have to actually say why it's a strawman.
 
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what innocent people were executed?

it's not a slippery slope argument... nor would I ever want anyone executed for shoplifting.

i'm not arguing for a lesser sentences for heinous murderers (that would be y'all)... and i'm not arguing for stiffer penalties on shoplifters.

...have you not read the thread at all? Are you seriously challenging the idea that innocent people have been executed?

You argued a slippery slope. Sorry. You don't get to hide from it.
 
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...have you not read the thread at all? Are you seriously challenging the idea that innocent people have been executed?

You argued a slippery slope. Sorry. You don't get to hide from it.

I've interacted with Thrilla before and I know he doesn't really think that innocent people haven't been executed. But I am trying to wrap my head around the people who describe in the most graphic detail the murders of innocent people when arguing in favor of the death penalty, but when it comes to actual innocent people being executed based on false convictions, say, "Hey, whaddya gonna do? **** happens."
 
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...have you not read the thread at all? Are you seriously challenging the idea that innocent people have been executed?

You argued a slippery slope. Sorry. You don't get to hide from it.

i've seen the arguments of innocents being executed...proof of innocence of those executed is very short supply... some would say "absent".

what slippery slope.. elaborate.
 
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i've seen the arguments of innocents being executed...proof of innocence of those executed is very short supply... some would say "absent".

what slippery slope.. elaborate.

Cameron Todd Willingham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was convicted for murdering his own children via arson.

Except the fire was accidental. ****ty way to die. Have your kids taken from you in a tragic accident, and then spend the rest of your life with the public believing you were the one who did it.
 
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i've seen the arguments of innocents being executed...proof of innocence of those executed is very short supply... some would say "absent".

Warning! Warning! Goalpost moving ahead!
 
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I've interacted with Thrilla before and I know he doesn't really think that innocent people haven't been executed. But I am trying to wrap my head around the people who describe in the most graphic detail the murders of innocent people when arguing in favor of the death penalty, but when it comes to actual innocent people being executed based on false convictions, say, "Hey, whaddya gonna do? **** happens."

I'm not going to say innocents haven't been executed... but i'm also not going to say they have been executed either....even the associations opposed to death penalty refrain from making positive claims
the arguments of innocents being executed is primarily a statistical argument.... hell, one of the preeminent studies on unjust convictions/wrongful executions was entirely based in statistical estimations.

It is likely innocents have been executed?... absolutely... especially before technological advances ( chances are pretty damned high some bad **** went down back in the days of hanging judges and the like)

in any event, I see utility in the death penalty on a few different levels.



when ya really look at it...there's really no difference between LWOP and the death penalty.... there's no moral high ground between the two.... one is just a sentence to die from a lethal cocktail, the other a sentence to die of other causes (natural causes, homicide, suicide, whatever works)
 
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ok.. stay here and troll by yourself.. i'm out.

Sorry, been around the block is all. When someone asks for evidence of something happening in the era of Google, any answers tend to result in the moving of goalposts. It's just how it goes.

But perhaps I've misjudged you, so in addition to Deuce's link, here's another:

Troy Davis Georgia Convicted 1991 Executed 2011

After a hearing on September 19, the Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles denied clemency to Troy Davis, despite presentation of testimony casting doubt on his guilt. Brian Kammer, one of Davis's attorneys, said, "I am utterly shocked and disappointed at the failure of our justice system at all levels to correct a miscarriage of justice." Davis's claims of innocence have received international attention, and calls for clemency have been made by Pope Benedict XVI, former President Jimmy Carter, former FBI Director William Sessions, former Georgia Supreme Court Chief Justice Norman Fletcher and others. Doubts about Davis's guilt were raised when some prosecution witnesses changed their stories after giving testimony against Davis, including accusations pointing to another suspect as the murderer of a police officer in Savannah. The Board heard testimony from a juror in Davis's original trial who now says she has too much doubt about his guilt and would change her verdict. They also heard from a witness who originally testified against Davis, but has since recanted her testimony, and from Davis's family. The Board had held two previous clemency hearings for Davis, but the makeup of the Board had changed since he was denied clemency in 2008, and new testimony had been given at a federal court hearing in 2010. UPDATE: Davis was executed late on the night of Sept. 21, 2011. The U.S. Supreme Court delayed the execution to consider final appeals, but then denied as stay.

Executed But Possibly Innocent | Death Penalty Information Center
 
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1.)I just want to make sure we do the right thing -- I wouldn't want to disrespect your wishes. Do we help overturn your conviction or would that fix nothing?
2.)And by the way, simply saying "strawman" doesn't make it a strawman. You have to actually say why it's a strawman.

1.) again my wishes have nothing to do with anything that would be yet another failed stawman LMAO so i guess you arent interested in that really LMAO
2.) yes i know thats why i mention I never said or even suggested the mentally retarded stuff made up and claimed in your posts . . . hence strawman . . thank you for pointing that out, let us know when your posts will stop making the, thanks
 
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1.) again my wishes have nothing to do with anything that would be yet another failed stawman LMAO so i guess you arent interested in that really LMAO
2.) yes i know thats why i mention I never said or even suggested the mentally retarded stuff made up and claimed in your posts . . . hence strawman . . thank you for pointing that out, let us know when your posts will stop making the, thanks

Explain in detail the difference between my version of your position and your actual position. If you refuse to answer this directly I'll be forced to conclude that what I said wasn't a strawman.
 
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1.)Explain in detail the difference between my version of your position and your actual position.
2.) If you refuse to answer this directly I'll be forced to conclude that what I said wasn't a strawman.

1.) why would i wast time doing that LMAO what i have said and the mentally retarded stuff you made up are not the same at all. its YOUR job to show i said something so stupid or to prove the are the same since its your claim . . its YOUR strawman, YOU defend it . did you really think anybody honest educated and objective would fall for that?
2.) actually you will CHOOSE to do that lol and thats fine by me, i have no problem with you "thinking" something so stupid that has zero logical support to it and that you cant back up so i accept your concession lol

it still remains the claim that abolishing "fixes" things is false and not a fact. . . do you have ANYTHING factual that changes that reality . . anything? lol
 
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1.) its been factually destroyed because its been proven its not fixable . . only in your subjective opinion do you think so
2.) this is a bold faced lie because i attacked head NOTHING was evaded . . post history proves that also . . try again
3.) actually since that showed how your statement is factually false its 100% relevant, it shows its not a "fix" like you falsely claimed
4.) see #3 you have already been proven wrong, it address your false claim of it being fixable
5.) also false . . you cant claim that wrongful life in prison is fixable and not talk about what the life in prison may actually be, thats just silly, NOBODY honest, educated and objective will buy that dishonesty
6.) already addressed this failed strawman . . never claimed any system would be perfect . . . if you disagree simply quote me saying that . . you will fail
7.) already answered this . . .

maybe you will answer ANY of the question i asked you instead of running from them and dodging them lol

fact remains your statement is not a fact and claiming it can be fixed is nothing more than your subjective opinion and one that has been shown to be horrifically under thought

It is obvious that a if a person remains alive a wrongful conviction can be overturned and the person restored freedom. It is equally obvious that a dead person cannot. I fail to see why this needs to be discussed at all.

Youve stated time and again that being wrongly convicted is not fixable. No it isn't insofar as you cannot give a person back the lost years and opportunity. Okay. Can we now stop fixating on that word and discuss the point that being released after 20 years is less bad than being executed and your family getting a posthumous "I'm sorry". Your contention that since life in prison for an innocent also sucks that we shouldn't worry about killing them strikes me a pure idiocy.

And while we're at it how about answering the question I've posed to you twice now: At what level of error does it become acceptable to you to sacrifice innocent people to keep the death penalty.
 
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1.)It is obvious that a if a person remains alive a wrongful conviction can be overturned and the person restored freedom.
2.) It is equally obvious that a dead person cannot.
3.) I fail to see why this needs to be discussed at all.
4.) Youve stated time and again that being wrongly convicted is not fixable.
5.) No it isn't insofar as you cannot give a person back the lost years and opportunity.
6.) Okay. Can we now stop fixating on that word
7.) and discuss the point that being released after 20 years is less bad than being executed and your family getting a posthumous "I'm sorry".
8.) Your contention that since life in prison for an innocent also sucks that we shouldn't worry about killing them strikes me a pure idiocy.
9.)And while we're at it how about answering the question I've posed to you twice now: At what level of error does it become acceptable to you to sacrifice innocent people to keep the death penalty.

1.) who said they couldn't be freed? not me, failed strawman 1
2.) who said a dead man could be freed? not me, failed strawman 2
3.) I agree, you should stop bringing it up like it matters or i said it, good job recognizing the mistake in your posts and correcting it
4.) no i havent stated that once . . . . I have pointed out that your claim if a person is incarcerated for decades and then they are released its fixed is not a fact howevere
5.) yes true, didnt bring that up but true
6.) no one is fixed on it but you, you said it, i pointed out the fact it was wrong and you are tried to defend it and failed. All that was needed done was admitting that its not a fix
7.) already discussed that NUMEROUS times, that is your subjective opinion and less bad doesnt change the fact your statement was not true but just an opinion
8.) that would be pure idiocy good thing i never even came close to saying something so mentally retarded it is yet just another strawman you made up . . if you disagree simply qoute me saying that. . .you will fail
9.) i already answered that the first time LMAO it is you that has dodged muiltiple question . . .posting lies wont help your failed posts it only makes them fail worse . .

please let me know when you are ready . . thanks

the reality is your statement is not a fact and claiming it can be fixed is nothing more than your subjective opinion and one that has been shown to be horrifically under thought
 
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1.) who said they couldn't be freed? not me, failed strawman 1
2.) who said a dead man could be freed? not me, failed strawman 2
3.) I agree, you should stop bringing it up like it matters or i said it, good job recognizing the mistake in your posts and correcting it
4.) no i havent stated that once . . . . I have pointed out that your claim if a person is incarcerated for decades and then they are released its fixed is not a fact howevere
5.) yes true, didnt bring that up but true
6.) no one is fixed on it but you, you said it, i pointed out the fact it was wrong and you are tried to defend it and failed. All that was needed done was admitting that its not a fix
7.) already discussed that NUMEROUS times, that is your subjective opinion and less bad doesnt change the fact your statement was not true but just an opinion
8.) that would be pure idiocy good thing i never even came close to saying something so mentally retarded it is yet just another strawman you made up . . if you disagree simply qoute me saying that. . .you will fail
9.) i already answered that the first time LMAO it is you that has dodged muiltiple question . . .posting lies wont help your failed posts it only makes them fail worse . .

please let me know when you are ready . . thanks

the reality is your statement is not a fact and claiming it can be fixed is nothing more than your subjective opinion and one that has been shown to be horrifically under thought

This is pure silliness at this point. You either haven't a clue of what you're speaking about or simply wish to annoy me. You are not seriously discussing this topic.

You continue to dredge up a meaning of "fixed" that not only didn't I intend but that does t match the dictionary definition of the word - it means to repair or mend neither of which necessarily implies returning back to original condition - and argue that when I've stated time and again exactly what I mean.

Let me know if you to discuss my actual position and not the one that seems to be gloating around in your head. Otherwise I've a BBQ to attend. Sayonara.

And one final thing. Strawman doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.
 
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1.)This is pure silliness at this point. You either haven't a clue of what you're speaking about or simply wish to annoy me.
2.) You are not seriously discussing this topic.
3.)You continue to dredge up a meaning of "fixed" that not only didn't I intend but that does t match the dictionary definition of the word - it means to repair or mend
4.) neither of which necessarily implies returning back to original condition - and argue that when I've stated time and again exactly what I mean.
5.)Let me know if you to discuss my actual position and not the one that seems to be gloating around in your head. Otherwise I've a BBQ to attend. Sayonara.
6.)and one final thing. Strawman doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.

1.) I agree the things you made up were pure silliness
2.) actually i am, i used reality and facts to show your statement as present was not a fact and nothing but your opinion that can't be supported
3.) the exact definition of the word is what makes your claims wrong LOL
4.) keep trying to sell this strawman, it will never work, nobody honest educated and objective buys it . . . i never even hinted at this lie but keep reposting it because everytime its reposted its another fail
5.) I accept your concession . . good move since your statement was destroyed . . nexy t time think your position through and dont try to sell horrible and illogical statments as facts that are nothing more that very weak opinions
6.) thread history proves you wrong . . .are you claiming you didnt make up any strawman? PLEASE SAY YES because i will qoute you and make your posts look even more silly and false
facts win again
 
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1.) I agree the things you made up were pure silliness
2.) actually i am, i used reality and facts to show your statement as present was not a fact and nothing but your opinion that can't be supported
3.) the exact definition of the word is what makes your claims wrong LOL
4.) keep trying to sell this strawman, it will never work, nobody honest educated and objective buys it . . . i never even hinted at this lie but keep reposting it because everytime its reposted its another fail
5.) I accept your concession . . good move since your statement was destroyed . . nexy t time think your position through and dont try to sell horrible and illogical statments as facts that are nothing more that very weak opinions
6.) thread history proves you wrong . . .are you claiming you didnt make up any strawman? PLEASE SAY YES because i will qoute you and make your posts look even more silly and false
facts win again

Lol. What are you 15? I didn't concede. I just don't have the time to waste on this any longer. But hey if it makes ya feel better and let's you puff up your chest and impress the girls then I concede. Happy now?

You pointed to two declarative statements of mine and called them Strawmen. Since neither statement had anything to do with your argument at all - they were describing my position - they by definition could not be Strawmen.

And if by chance in posts before that I misrepresented your position it was simply because your writing is so obtuse and vague that I may have honestly misunderstood what you were trying to say.
 
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1.)Lol. What are you 15? I didn't concede. I just don't have the time to waste on this any longer. But hey if it makes ya feel better and let's you puff up your chest and impress the girls then I concede. Happy now?
2.) You pointed to two declarative statements of mine and called them Strawmen. Since neither statement had anything to do with your argument at all - they were describing my position - they by definition could not be Strawmen.
3.)And if by chance in posts before that I misrepresented your position it was simply because your writing is so obtuse and vague that I may have honestly misunderstood what you were trying to say.

1.) if i was that would make youe claims look even worse that they were so easily defeated by a 15yr old.
2.) correct they had nothing to do with my position making them straw man then you tried to argue against them like they matter, which by definition is what make them a straw man. Your mistake and you got caught.
3.) again your mistake, trying to deflect from your mistake wont change the fact that your strawmen failed.
Next time the solution is easy, simply dont make stuff up and you can avoid your mistake. You're welcome.
 
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