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Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty[W:203]

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Sounds like rough few years for people sent to death row by mistake. Even more so if the Innocence Project is too undermanned to take on his case and if there's no DNA evidence to exonerate him.

It's rough years for those folks who commit white collar crimes and are in for 5-10 years and are subjected to the heinous animals that should have been quickly put to death, in the first place! Ever think of that?
 
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Again, due process (which is essentially our justice system), can be filled with errors.

Yep...many of those errors are not convicting in the first place or by bleeding heart libs, to squeamish to vote for the DP.

The Casper Milktoast effect is fine for some things....not in dealing with the scum of society.

Again.....most of you folks here, have no idea what you are talking about...............because you have no practical experience with it!

Same goes for honest citizens packing a gun....after learning the law and carrying it wisely. For those blanket anti-gun dopes out there....you don't have a clue.

When I teach people in my ongoing classes, now into the 40th year....I wise them up to how stupid many jurors really are. They have never had a situation of fear as a victim, or know anything about owning a firearm......and are easily swayed in the Grand Jury, and during trial, by the Prosecutor.
 
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Angry only at the silly attitudes of bleeding heart libs!

Sociopath? How about Realist! Take off your liberal educated blinders!!

I've worked the prison system....and the streets. Most of you are book smart with no practical education whatsoever.

Every sociopath thinks they're logical.
 
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1. I'm fully aware of the Innocence Project!

2. Of course, I don't think people who are innocent should get the DP!

3. If innocent people are on Death Row, it wasn't because I put them there....and their cases are out of my hands. (Read, not up to me to decide their plight, so pardon me if I don't get all squishy over it)

4. One thing that I do believe in is Karma, or whatever you'd like to call it....and some folks finally get their just dues after skating so many times in the past.....and I have personally seen a lot of people skate on technicalities, when I knew they were guilty. Mostly drug dealers and violent rapists. I can tell you hundreds of accounts of that type of thing.

Is this supposed to be a rebuttal? You didn't do it?

No, but you want to fast track the execution of those innocent people along with the guilty ones. You want it to be less likely the innocent person gets exonerated.
 
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Why is it a poor argument to you? I find it one of the most compelling arguments.

The cost of the death penalty is knowing that it can never always be applied justly and that the state will kill people in your name that did nothing to deserve it.
I'm not willing to pay that price.

I find it to be poor because an inclusion on a list of other countries is not a proper argument in and of itself....

an argument to it's application being potentially faulty but nonetheless permanent is a valid argument... inclusion on a list is not.
 
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Again, due process (which is essentially our justice system), can be filled with errors.

Anything Human can have errors I still support the Death Penalty.
 
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Yep...many of those errors are not convicting in the first place or by bleeding heart libs, to squeamish to vote for the DP.

The Casper Milktoast effect is fine for some things....not in dealing with the scum of society.

Again.....most of you folks here, have no idea what you are talking about...............because you have no practical experience with it!

Same goes for honest citizens packing a gun....after learning the law and carrying it wisely. For those blanket anti-gun dopes out there....you don't have a clue.

When I teach people in my ongoing classes, now into the 40th year....I wise them up to how stupid many jurors really are. They have never had a situation of fear as a victim, or know anything about owning a firearm......and are easily swayed in the Grand Jury, and during trial, by the Prosecutor.

So jurors are stupid, so therefore we should put the accused to death by stupid peoples decisions? Uhhhh. What?
 
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Anything Human can have errors I still support the Death Penalty.

So essentially you acknowledge that the US/State justice systems has killed innocent people/people who are not guilty and you are okay with that, why?
 
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True but Life in prison is not always the fitting of punishment for certain crimes.

Right, that's why when they find someone who is innocent in jail, they release them. If we put them to death, they what would we do?
 
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I don't think most folks will disagree over life without parole in lieu of the death penalty.... but as our system employs plea deals to a great degree.. i'd be curious to know how they feel about murders facing shorter sentences than they otherwise would have without the death penalty being employed as a plea bargain chip.

in very real terms, we're lowering the bargaining chip ceiling here.... life without parole becomes the new ceiling.
as all sides ( judge, defense, and prosecution) benefit from plea bargains... so it is known that there is pressure to strike a deal present.... if life without parole is the ceiling, do we not face face the very real potential of unjust light sentencing in cases of what we all consider to be our most heinous crime?

I dunno.. I feel this is a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, in some respects.
 
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Wrong! It's more than necessary and they need to do it to more of these scum....

liberal dopes don't have a clue of what heinous monsters these people are. Keeping them alive to victimize others and bleed the taxpayers.... is like allowing a Black Widow to live on your property.

Executing these cockroaches is a benefit to society and stops them from victimizing others....for****ingever!

You do know that Black Widow Spiders eat cockroaches, don't you?
 
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We had a Texas case where a guy lured a little girl out of a Walmart then strangled and burned her to death. I honestly don't understand how anyone could not want someone like that dead.

Because when they are dead, it's over for them. Their punishment is over. Keep them alive in solitary confinement...
 
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So essentially you acknowledge that the US/State justice systems has killed innocent people/people who are not guilty and you are okay with that, why?

I've been on the fence with the Death Penalty for some time. Let me explain. I am absolutely in support of the Death Penalty. However, it's become a circus and an extraordinarily expensive process.

A little background.

My wife's college roommate was kidnapped, raped, tortured, and inexplicably, but thankfully, set free after 24 hours, by a man who had just previously killed one woman, and raped and tortured three others.

Caught, he was found guilty, and sentenced to death. This all happened in Southern California before I married my wife. Next January, my wife and I will celebrate our 36th wedding anniversary. Stevie Lamar Fields continues to sit on death row. Unbelievable.

So, this is absurd. The Death Penalty as practiced in most states is a fools parade of insanity. I believe these non-humans would be better placed in the general population in state prisons, where the possibility of finding someone to kill them is dramatically increased.

Much cheaper, and potentially, much more brutal a life style if they manage to survive.
 
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Yes I am concerned about that but in rare cases where it's a slam dunk case the person did it and it's a horrendous crime then the person doesn't deserve to live. Raping and then burning to death a little girl as one poster gave as an example is just the kind of crime where I don't feel anything for that person and hope they burn to death as well. I can be compassionate until someone tortures and kills human beings for their own sick pleasure.

Presumably you need assurances that the person which has been apprehended and charged is in fact the person guilty of the crime. The slam dunk you refer to, which IMO includes a credible witness or two, is the jury that deliberates for thirty minutes, say long enough for the foreperson to read the charges, a brief discussion to ensure everybody correctly understands the language and nature of them and they vote unanimously, guilty, bam. If there are no witnesses to the crime, after hearing all the other types of evidence presented, a jury deliberates for a week or two, I start getting uneasy about a death penalty. Sometimes a jury has just one person that's having major difficulties with the conviction, of course that one can hang it up, but I'll bet there have been times where that one has been wore down over the course of days of deliberation, perhaps convinced to go along, maybe even with reservations. My personal position on that type of scenario is no DP.
 
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I'll never understand the hardon some people have for state-sanctioned revenge killing.
 
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You do seem pretty angry.

But if what you say is true, you are a literal sociopath and should seek help.

Isn't this MickeyW character a cop? If so, how scary is that?
 
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Jumps right into a personal attack. Interesting. No, clearly no emotion coming from this guy.

Didn't you just call him a sociopath?
 
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So, a guy compares these two options.





And picks the second one.

Not at all. People have an amazing ability to adapt to the life they lead. Just look around you. People will accept almost anything in time.

Lifers in prison, after some time, grow to like their existence, especially if they're wired to do the kind of things to get them there in the first place.
 
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I don't think most folks will disagree over life without parole in lieu of the death penalty.... but as our system employs plea deals to a great degree.. i'd be curious to know how they feel about murders facing shorter sentences than they otherwise would have without the death penalty being employed as a plea bargain chip.

in very real terms, we're lowering the bargaining chip ceiling here.... life without parole becomes the new ceiling.
as all sides ( judge, defense, and prosecution) benefit from plea bargains... so it is known that there is pressure to strike a deal present.... if life without parole is the ceiling, do we not face face the very real potential of unjust light sentencing in cases of what we all consider to be our most heinous crime?

I dunno.. I feel this is a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, in some respects.

I don't agree that potential exists. If someone is at risk for life without parole, they aren't going to get a "light" penalty.

I think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is allowing the state to kill innocent people.
 
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Not at all. People have an amazing ability to adapt to the life they lead. Just look around you. People will accept almost anything in time.

Lifers in prison, after some time, grow to like their existence, especially if they're wired to do the kind of things to get them there in the first place.

Uhh, I think you missed the point.
 
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I don't agree that potential exists. If someone is at risk for life without parole, they aren't going to get a "light" penalty.

I think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is allowing the state to kill innocent people.

ok.. it's noted that you don't think lowering the bargaining ceiling will have any effect on sentencing.....i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it's noted nonetheless.
 
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ok.. it's noted that you don't think lowering the bargaining ceiling will have any effect on sentencing.....i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it's noted nonetheless.

So keep a flawed, expensive system that innately consumes innocent life so that you have some bargaining chip? I’m not sure that makes sense. You can do what Colorado did and make the burden of proof for DP cases substantially higher and then I suppose if you have one of those “slam dunk” cases, you can still use it as a bargaining chip. But really, what happens if not? It goes to court. It’s not like these criminals get away with crimes just because the DP isn’t around.
 
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Because they are still alive and while alive the error of an improper incarceration is fixable.

how is it fixable?
 
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ok.. it's noted that you don't think lowering the bargaining ceiling will have any effect on sentencing.....i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it's noted nonetheless.

But there's a downside to that sentencing negotiation as well. If an innocent person is sitting there, and the choice is potential DEATH or agree to a guilty plea with a long sentence, it's an incredible lever to get an innocent person to plead guilty.

Yes, it works the other way as you suggest, but the issue is whether the downsides of the death penalty outweigh whatever positives. I don't think there's an objectively correct answer to that - it depends on how badly we want to avoid innocent people dying, or agreeing to a plea rather than face potential death. If revenge is more important than those admittedly few innocents, the death penalty might be fine for you.

I see the whole process as arbitrary, and prone to error, and political ambitions, etc. and believe it should be abolished everywhere.
 
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