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Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty[W:203]

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Yes, and these were all done before DNA was universally used. Today's law enforcement now uses DNA every time it's available. Once these 300 cases out of thousands of heinous criminal cases, are disposed of, there will no longer be any doubt as to the guilt of these people!

Change the law, install the DP at every state and not just for murder.......I advocate it be used for serial rapists and drug dealers as well!

Housing people for life is a poor second choice!

You want to execute pharmacists selling Oxy, and liquor store owners!!! That seems a bit harsh. :roll:

And DNA testing isn't actually a test that shows guilt or innocence. It's useful in many cases, but using DNA cannot remotely guarantee a correct verdict. And the biggest problem, IMO, with the death penalty is it's arbitrarily applied, and a death penalty depends heavily on who the defendant is, who the victim was (e.g. was the victim a nice looking middle class white female, or a street person, or a young black man with a criminal record), how much money he or she has, the quality of his legal team, the judge, the particular members of the jury, and more.
 
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This great news, lets hope others follow suit.

:roll::roll: You Clinton supporters are all alike.

Except that it's far far cheaper, it provides all the safety and security to society that the DP does without having the DP. I'm not going to waste millions of dollars trying to kill some kid who was selling pot. That's completely irrational.

Your example is as irrational as it gets! No one executes any kids and certainly not for selling pot....GET REAL!

There are many other inmates in state and federal prisons that are only there for a short time and for much lesser felonies........often times, those people are raped or murdered by the heinous animals that you bleeding hearts want to save! And many guards are assaulted and murdered by these same people.

So let's change the law, and do away with the red tape and streamline the system. I want to see the Easy Button to a Firing Squad!



DNA evidence for murder trials has been in use since the mid 80's, and if you follow the link I gave you a hell of a lot of those people were convicted after that time.



Drug dealers too, huh? Okay.
You bet Drug Dealers too! They ruin lives and kill people far more than the avg. killer!
Sometimes courts and juries ignore the DNA evidence and use other evidence to convict...such as eye witness testimony, the looooooong rap sheet of the offender, or the cops and or witnesses...just plain Lie!
Look at all the lying sacks of **** in Ferguson.....against the police officer. Had that big ass punk killed that cop, instead of the cop killing him....the POS would have walked!

So, let me repeat this for you..................far fewer cases now and in the future, will have innocent people going to jail. And when it's a slam dunk.....why even bother with DNA! Examples, (1)when a person walks up to a patrol unit and executes the cops in that car in front of witnesses....................we don't need DNA!
(2)There was more than sufficient evidence to convict and execute Tim McVeigh w/o DNA.
 
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What does a complete disregard for the execution of innocent people make you?

Are you a bit slow?

No WHERE on this forum have I ever shown disregard for any innocent people!

Now stop acting all emotional and talk sense!
 
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Your example is as irrational as it gets! No one executes any kids and certainly not for selling pot....GET REAL!
No, but some people want to.

You bet Drug Dealers too! They ruin lives and kill people far more than the avg. killer!


So let's change the law, and do away with the red tape and streamline the system. I want to see the Easy Button to a Firing Squad!

This will result in more innocent people being executed.
 
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You want to execute pharmacists selling Oxy, and liquor store owners!!! That seems a bit harsh. :roll:

And DNA testing isn't actually a test that shows guilt or innocence. It's useful in many cases, but using DNA cannot remotely guarantee a correct verdict. And the biggest problem, IMO, with the death penalty is it's arbitrarily applied, and a death penalty depends heavily on who the defendant is, who the victim was (e.g. was the victim a nice looking middle class white female, or a street person, or a young black man with a criminal record), how much money he or she has, the quality of his legal team, the judge, the particular members of the jury, and more.

Your first sentence.......Another so called edjeeecated person......using silly, silly examples! :roll:

Second part, I mostly agree. But, in most cases the preponderance of evidence is so great............................that the guilt of the person is a no brainer.
Tim McVeigh and Terry McNichol are prime examples of that.....the Boston Bombers are as well. Too bad they didn't shoot the punk ass kid on the scene while he was running over his brother!

I have arrested, filed reports and testified in court, hundreds of times. NONE of my cases were ever overturned or dismissed!
 
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You bet Drug Dealers too! They ruin lives and kill people far more than the avg. killer!

I agree. The biggest killers are prescription drugs and alcohol. So let's start rounding up drug company execs, pharmacies, doctors prescribing Oxy at pain clinics/pill mills, and of course all the manufacturers and dealers of alcohol!!!

So, let me repeat this for you..................far fewer cases now and in the future, will have innocent people going to jail. And when it's a slam dunk.....why even bother with DNA! Examples, (1)when a person walks up to a patrol unit and executes the cops in that car in front of witnesses....................we don't need DNA!
(2)There was more than sufficient evidence to convict and execute Tim McVeigh w/o DNA.

So 'far fewer' innocents will get sentenced to die, and you're ok with some number of innocents being executed? How many is too many?
 
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No, but some people want to.






This will result in more innocent people being executed.

Wrong on BOTH counts!

How old are you anyway? You talk like some kid in his Mom's basement!
 
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Are you a bit slow?

No WHERE on this forum have I ever shown disregard for any innocent people!

Now stop acting all emotional and talk sense!

Okay, then you just choose to operate under the delusion that innocent aren't sent to death row, even though I've given you evidence that people have been wrongly convicted even when DNA evidence was used.
 
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Wrong on BOTH counts!

How old are you anyway? You talk like some kid in his Mom's basement!

Jumps right into a personal attack. Interesting. No, clearly no emotion coming from this guy.

You said you wanted to execute drug dealers. Have you changed your mind?

Making it easier to execute someone makes it easier to execute an innocent person.
 
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Your first sentence.......Another so called edjeeecated person......using silly, silly examples! :roll:

They're not silly examples. Just one article:https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...escription-drugs-are-more-deadly-street-drugs

The unprecedented rise in overdose deaths in the U.S. parallels a 300 percent increase since 1999 in the sale of powerful painkillers such as Vicodin and OxyContin. These drugs were involved in 14,800 overdose deaths in 2008, more than cocaine and heroin combined (2).

The misuse and abuse of prescription painkillers was responsible for more than 475,000 emergency department visits in 2009, a number that nearly doubled in just five years (3).

Some facts about alcohol: CDC - Fact Sheets-Alcohol Use And Health - Alcohol

Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years.1,2 Further, excessive drinking was responsible for 1 in 10 deaths among working-age adults aged 20-64 years. The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2006 were estimated at $223.5 billion, or $1.90 a drink.3

If you want to crack down on drug dealers let's be consistent. All you're advocating for is the death penalty for dealers of some drugs used by some people. Seems crazy to me.

Second part, I mostly agree. But, in most cases the preponderance of evidence is so great............................that the guilt of the person is a no brainer.
Tim McVeigh and Terry McNichol are prime examples of that.....the Boston Bombers are as well. Too bad they didn't shoot the punk ass kid on the scene!

I have arrested, filed reports and testified in court, hundreds of times. NONE of my cases were ever overturned or dismissed!

But we're not talking about "most" cases.

And what do you do that you can ring up a perfect record over "hundreds" of cases? On its face, it sounds like the kind of record one would ring up in a dictatorship, not a properly adversarial system where the defendant is presumed innocent, and must be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
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Life-in-prison inmates with no chance of parole actually live happy lives. Knowing they'll never get out of prison, they adapt. Their world becomes the prison, and they find their own meaning in it, without the stress and bother that comes with hope of getting out.

Death penalty inmates are quite the opposite. They have to eat and sleep their coming fate on a daily basis, and the mental anguish and fears that accompany it. It's a life of hell before death.

This is a dark day for past and future victims of Nebraska.
 
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But the state killing people is? May I remind you that our justice system if filled with errors, and the recent revelations that the FBI essentially intentionally falsified evidence to retain convictions just sheds light on our justice system problems, and you think it wise that the state has the power to execute individuals?

Through Due Process, Yes
 
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Life-in-prison inmates with no chance of parole actually live happy lives. Knowing they'll never get out of prison, they adapt. Their world becomes the prison, and they find their own meaning in it, without the stress and bother that comes with hope of getting out.

Death penalty inmates are quite the opposite. They have to eat and sleep their coming fate on a daily basis, and the mental anguish and fears that accompany it. It's a life of hell before death.

This is a dark day for past and future victims of Nebraska.

Assuming that's true, so what? The issues with the death penalty are that it's arbitrarily applied, has resulted in hundreds of convictions of innocent people etc. What you seem to be saying is those innocents who aren't actually executed are still unconscionable victims of the death penalty. That is, IMO, just a stronger argument to do away with it, rather than keep it.

And the victims of most death row inmates are dead. It might mean it's a dark day for the victims' families who don't see the state exact revenge for the death of their loved one, but I don't see revenge as the primary role of the justice system.
 
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Life-in-prison inmates with no chance of parole actually live happy lives.

I don't quite see you volunteering to live in prison, yeah?
 
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Okay, then you just choose to operate under the delusion that innocent aren't sent to death row, even though I've given you evidence that people have been wrongly convicted even when DNA evidence was used.

Never said any such thing. Your conclusions on my rhetoric, are not based on evidence....you, like most libs, make it up as you go.

Jumps right into a personal attack. Interesting. No, clearly no emotion coming from this guy.

You said you wanted to execute drug dealers. Have you changed your mind?

Making it easier to execute someone makes it easier to execute an innocent person.

Noooo...I didn't jump right in....I let them make fools of themselves first! Nope...no emotion...just logic. Try it sometime.

Drug Dealers? Of course not. They are as dangerous as anyone.......and have taken the lives of many....just by their disregard of human life for the greed they possess.
Sorry folks if some of you are drug dealers .......or have favorite drug dealers who supply your poison! I've been busting drug dealers since 1970....and love every minute of it! Nothing has given me more satisfaction to to take down drug dealers!

Out of all the thousands of heinous monsters out there.....very few are truly innocent! And be advised, that is not for you or I to sort out....it's for a court of law.
I'm citing 30 years of LE experience.
Once a person is convicted w/o a doubt(and I have cited perfect examples of that) then I think the path to the DP needs to be cleared of rubbish and get it done!
 
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Good on Nebraska. I've never been a proponent of the death penalty.

I would say, however, that "Life in Solitary" should be added to available sentences since a prisoner who is sentenced to life needs to still have something worse hanging over their head or they are essentially free to do what they want in prison.
 
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So, a guy compares these two options.

Knowing they'll never get out of prison, they adapt. Their world becomes the prison, and they find their own meaning in it, without the stress and bother that comes with hope of getting out.

They have to eat and sleep their coming fate on a daily basis, and the mental anguish and fears that accompany it. It's a life of hell before death.

And picks the second one.
 
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Never said any such thing. Your conclusions on my rhetoric, are not based on evidence....you, like most libs, make it up as you go.



Noooo...I didn't jump right in....I let them make fools of themselves first! Nope...no emotion...just logic. Try it sometime.

Drug Dealers? Of course not. They are as dangerous as anyone.......and have taken the lives of many....just by their disregard of human life for the greed they possess.
Sorry folks if some of you are drug dealers .......or have favorite drug dealers who supply your poison! I've been busting drug dealers since 1970....and love every minute of it! Nothing has given me more satisfaction to to take down drug dealers!

Out of all the thousands of heinous monsters out there.....very few are truly innocent!

So you'd execute an 18 year old drug dealer?
 
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You do seem pretty angry.

But if what you say is true, you are a literal sociopath and should seek help.

Angry only at the silly attitudes of bleeding heart libs!

Sociopath? How about Realist! Take off your liberal educated blinders!!

I've worked the prison system....and the streets. Most of you are book smart with no practical education whatsoever.
 
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Never said any such thing. Your conclusions on my rhetoric, are not based on evidence....you, like most libs, make it up as you go.

Well, what do you expect me to think then? You don't seem especially worried about innocent people going to death row, which leads me to one of two conclusions:

a)Innocent people aren't going to death row, or
b)It's no big deal for innocent people to go to death row

Which is it? If there's a third option I'm all ears.
 
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Death penalty inmates are quite the opposite. They have to eat and sleep their coming fate on a daily basis, and the mental anguish and fears that accompany it. It's a life of hell before death.

Sounds like rough few years for people sent to death row by mistake. Even more so if the Innocence Project is too undermanned to take on his case and if there's no DNA evidence to exonerate him.
 
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Your example is as irrational as it gets! No one executes any kids and certainly not for selling pot....GET REAL!

You said yourself that you wanted to expand the DP to include drug dealers. That wasn't me, that was you. It is irrational to call for the death of non-violent offenders. If you meant something else, perhaps you should have said something else.

There are many other inmates in state and federal prisons that are only there for a short time and for much lesser felonies........often times, those people are raped or murdered by the heinous animals that you bleeding hearts want to save! And many guards are assaulted and murdered by these same people.

Yes, much of the current prison system needs to be overhauled. That doesn't mean that we should start killing more inmates, however.

So let's change the law, and do away with the red tape and streamline the system. I want to see the Easy Button to a Firing Squad!

So exacerbate all the problems with the DP then, huh? Not so long ago, Illinois had to put a moratorium on its DP because they found too many innocent people on death row. But we should have just fast tracked their deaths, huh?

No, that's irrational. The system is flawed and offers no benefit, it's best to do away with it.
 
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Good on Nebraska. I've never been a proponent of the death penalty.

I would say, however, that "Life in Solitary" should be added to available sentences since a prisoner who is sentenced to life needs to still have something worse hanging over their head or they are essentially free to do what they want in prison.

I don't think that's a problem. There have been a number of articles in recent years about the fast rise in the use of solitary confinement in the U.S. And we do have various supermax prisons, and those just below them, and areas within traditional prisons and jails, that house something like 80-90,000 inmates in solitary.

E.g. FAQ | Solitary Watch
 
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Well, what do you expect me to think then? You don't seem especially worried about innocent people going to death row, which leads me to one of two conclusions:

a)Innocent people aren't going to death row, or
b)It's no big deal for innocent people to go to death row

Which is it? If there's a third option I'm all ears.

1. I'm fully aware of the Innocence Project!

2. Of course, I don't think people who are innocent should get the DP!

3. If innocent people are on Death Row, it wasn't because I put them there....and their cases are out of my hands. (Read, not up to me to decide their plight, so pardon me if I don't get all squishy over it)

4. One thing that I do believe in is Karma, or whatever you'd like to call it....and some folks finally get their just dues after skating so many times in the past.....and I have personally seen a lot of people skate on technicalities, when I knew they were guilty. Mostly drug dealers and violent rapists. I can tell you hundreds of accounts of that type of thing.
 
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