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Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South China

Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Concession accepted. Next time, don't make stupid, bogus claims. Here was the closest thing I could find to this.

Think Tank: China Beats U.S. in Simulated Taiwan Air War | WIRED

Think tank simulation :lamo


:shrug:

I'm not known for making casual or false comments on this board. But I've never really interacted with you, either.

I'm perfectly content with my source.

Enjoy your afternoon.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Apparently you are under the false impression that the US is one of the six countries with overlapping claims to those islands. It's also apparent, you're rubbing your hands together with anticipation of another fight somewhere. Sick dude!

Apparently you weren't aware of what BO and his Team had to say.....that made a point clear. Once China tried to invoke an Air Defense Zone over International Waters. When its allies and friends asked for some assurance.

That which China did all with their own little actions. Like they did attacking little civilian fishing boats. Which you seems to give them a pass on. Now that's just sick killing unarmed civilians with no way to fight back. Do you enjoy it that much that all you can come up with is.....its the US who is at fault?






Hagel: China territorial claims destabilize region.....

SINGAPORE (AP) — Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned an international security conference Saturday that the U.S. "will not look the other way" when nations such as China try to restrict navigation or ignore international rules and standards. China's territorial claims in the South China Sea are destabilizing the region, and its failure to resolve disputes with other nations threatens East Asia's long-term progress, Hagel said.

Lt. Gen. Wang Guanzhong, deputy chief of the General Staff, told Hagel, "You were very candid this morning and, to be frank, more than our expectation." He added, "although I do think that those criticisms are groundless, I do appreciate your candor."

Reporters had to leave the room before Hagel responded. But Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said Hagel told Wang that all regional disputes should be solved through diplomacy, and he encouraged China to foster dialogue with neighboring nations......snip~

Hagel: China territorial claims destabilize region
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

China's targets are its neighbors rather than the US. In the current matter China's goal is to undermine the US defense commitment to China's neighbors, and to cause those neighbors to doubt US resolve.

China does not care about American resolve. China only cares about China. They have never militarily fought outside their historical borders and there is no reason for them to start now.
Unlike America, they are usually smart enough to concentrate on economics and not on policing the world (like America does with money it does not have).

China has never cared about America (they are a VERY inward looking people) and they do not care now.

You want to believe otherwise, be my guest.

But there is nothing you can say that will change my mind on this so there is no point in further discussion.


Good day.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

China does not care about American resolve. China only cares about China. They have never militarily fought outside their historical borders and there is no reason for them to start now.
Unlike America, they are usually smart enough to concentrate on economics and not on policing the world (like America does with money it does not have).

China has never cared about America (they are a VERY inward looking people) and they do not care now.

You want to believe otherwise, be my guest.

But there is nothing you can say that will change my mind on this so there is no point in further discussion.


Good day.

If you will re-read my previous post you will find that I agree more than disagree with you. China intends to dominate its neighbors. The US is only important insofar as we impede that.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

:shrug:

I'm not known for making casual or false comments on this board. But I've never really interacted with you, either.

I'm perfectly content with my source.

Enjoy your afternoon.

You're perfectly content with your source that no one else can see.

mmhmm... You're content with lies.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

In the scenario I suggested, we would have to have Offence treaties. I think the US with your support is spoiling for a fight with China. Don't forget Obama's trip to and speech in Australia in 2011.

I've already detailed briefly what I support, and you refuse to acknowledge it in the interest of furthering an argument with others, apparently.

This should be for those six nations with overlapping claims to iron out. The only way that the US has an ounce of (questionable) legitimacy in this, is to stay the **** out, until, China attacks a nation that we have defense treaties with.

China is busily attaching MVRs to existing ballistic missiles and has deployed the same on nuclear submarines. We have an existential interest in their military constructions in those islands, and in spite of their as yet unsubstantiated claims to those islands, their self-proclaimed exclusion zone doesn't cut the mustard, as I've pointed out to you several times. Carry on. I've lost interest.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

You really need to know more before you post so assertively.

China’s dangerous provocation demands a response from the U.S.

Editorial Board MAY 26
The United States must hold firm against the Asian giant’s buildup in the Spratly Islands.

"THE UNITED States last week stepped up its efforts to call attention to China’s massive and provocative expansion of infrastructure in a disputed portion of the South China Sea. The Navy invited CNN aboard a surveillance flight and released video the next day of what one U.S. official called an attempt “to make sovereign land out of sand castles” in the Spratly Islands. The flight by a P-8A Poseidon aircraft drew eight warnings from the Chinese navy and an angry denunciation by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, which called it “very irresponsible and also very dangerous.” But the U.S. action was legal and appropriate. . . .

"Other nations have reclaimed land and built installations in the Spratlys. But China’s operation stands out for its scale and speed and for the brazenness with which the regime of Xi Jinping advances questionable territorial claims while rejecting international mediation or a negotiated code of conduct. Relying on a slapdash map dating to the 1940s, which consists of nine dashes across the waters east of China, Beijing claims 80 percent of the South China Sea, which is crisscrossed by international shipping lanes. It seeks to exclude foreign ships and planes from a 200-mile zone around its claimed territory, rather than the 12 miles recognized by the United States. . . . "


Here was a map Pos showed me last year. He is in Italy probably drinking some wine. So I say Salute!
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Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

You're perfectly content with your source that no one else can see.

mmhmm... You're content with lies.


Actually, anyone that is remotely familiar with those exercises would have gotten the reference, and known it was completely tangential to my post.

Clearly, you aren't one of those people.

No, the information is not available over the internet.

Get over it. :coffeepap

Again, enjoy your afternoon.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

We've already seen, in Cuba in 1962, what one nuclear power did in a confrontation with another nuclear power that had roughly ten times as many weapons. The U.S. advantage over China in that department is more like twenty to one. Going up against six thousand hydrogen bombs is likely to cause second thoughts. And what's worse for the nation going up against them, many of those weapons are in missile submarines whose locations are unknown. That means they might be launched from only a hundred miles or so off the coast, reducing the time to react almost to nothing. As far as I've heard, China does not yet have subs like that. But the U.S. has quite a few of them, each one carrying as many as two dozen missiles loaded with maybe one hundred or more nuclear weapons.

Type 094 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Actually, anyone that is remotely familiar with those exercises would have gotten the reference, and known it was completely tangential to my post.

Clearly, you aren't one of those people.

No, the information is not available over the internet.

Get over it. :coffeepap

Again, enjoy your afternoon.

Again, your claim is bull**** until you can get something.

I don't care about "anyone remotely familiar" because until someone extremely reputable here concurs with your statement (Oozlefinch), it's false.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

The Philippines knows that. They will not initiate hostilities.
It will be China that goes that route.
The present Poobah has been quite keen on playing to China's nationalists. Note the incursion the other year into Indian territory, set up camp and stayed for a tad. No innocent error in border crossing.
Once that comes into play, like any battle plan, only lasts till first contact, then it takes on a way of its own.
Then they are cornered into a Military response.



Heya JF. :2wave: Vietnam, and the Philippines with Japan have all given the invite to the US. Moreover this global economic hub can't be allowed to become like the ME. Since it will affect everyone.



Philippines offers U.S. forces access to military bases

The Philippines has agreed to allow the United States access to its military bases under a new security deal being negotiated by the two allies, amid mounting concern over China's increasing assertiveness in the disputed waters of the South China Sea. The United States plans to "rebalance" its forces in Asia-Pacific region, and has similar arrangements with Australia and Singapore, as part of its strategy to counter China. The new agreement on enhanced defense cooperation will allow the United States increased deployment of troops, ships, aircraft and humanitarian equipment.

The dispute revolves round competing claims over the Spratlys, a group of 250 uninhabitable islets spread over 165,000 square miles.

On Sunday, three Chinese coast guard ships stopped two Filipino civilian vessels from delivering food, water and construction materials to troops based on a ship that was deliberately run aground on reef in the Spratlys in 1999 to reinforce the Philippines' claim. Manila called the Chinese actions "a clear and urgent threat to the rights and interests of the Philippines". Under the draft accord, the Philippines will allow U.S. forces joint use of facilities in several military bases like Manila, Clark, Palawan, Cebu, Nueva Ecija, and La Union, a military official with knowledge of the negotiations.....snip~

Philippines offers U.S. forces access to military bases | Reuters
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Here was a map Pos showed me last year. He is in Italy probably drinking some wine. So I say Salute!
wine.gif


YWYVRwd.png

I'm not certain, while the Chinese were drawing lines, why they stopped where they did. I mean, there's Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, and a lot of other 'ia's' they might as well claim while they're at it. We're just fortunate they didn't claim parts of the U.S., although if they claimed California, it'd be just another "ia", and not that many would complain.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch


That sounds like it's not certain that as of today, even one of these things is operating yet. I wonder when the Japanese and South Koreans will start building some of their own in response to the potential threat. If I were in their position, I would think that American nuclear umbrella had developed quite a few holes during the past six years.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Again, your claim is bull**** until you can get something.

I don't care about "anyone remotely familiar" because until someone extremely reputable here concurs with your statement (Oozlefinch), it's false.


:beatdeadhorse


Again...

You have a good afternoon, now. :2wave:
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

I'm not certain, while the Chinese were drawing lines, why they stopped where they did. I mean, there's Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, and a lot of other 'ia's' they might as well claim while they're at it. We're just fortunate they didn't claim parts of the U.S., although if they claimed California, it'd be just another "ia", and not that many would complain.

Reminds me somewhat of how Japan conceived, in the 1930's, of the vast areas that were to be under its control.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Again, your claim is bull**** until you can get something.

I don't care about "anyone remotely familiar" because until someone extremely reputable here concurs with your statement (Oozlefinch), it's false.

I don't care to get in the middle of your exchange but the problem she cites is real.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

You really need to know more before you post so assertively.

China’s dangerous provocation demands a response from the U.S.

Editorial Board MAY 26
The United States must hold firm against the Asian giant’s buildup in the Spratly Islands.

"THE UNITED States last week stepped up its efforts to call attention to China’s massive and provocative expansion of infrastructure in a disputed portion of the South China Sea. The Navy invited CNN aboard a surveillance flight and released video the next day of what one U.S. official called an attempt “to make sovereign land out of sand castles” in the Spratly Islands. The flight by a P-8A Poseidon aircraft drew eight warnings from the Chinese navy and an angry denunciation by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, which called it “very irresponsible and also very dangerous.” But the U.S. action was legal and appropriate. . . .

"Other nations have reclaimed land and built installations in the Spratlys. But China’s operation stands out for its scale and speed and for the brazenness with which the regime of Xi Jinping advances questionable territorial claims while rejecting international mediation or a negotiated code of conduct. Relying on a slapdash map dating to the 1940s, which consists of nine dashes across the waters east of China, Beijing claims 80 percent of the South China Sea, which is crisscrossed by international shipping lanes. It seeks to exclude foreign ships and planes from a 200-mile zone around its claimed territory, rather than the 12 miles recognized by the United States. . . . "

Yes, China's the provocateur as the US, 7,000 miles away from home flys surveillance above Chinese operations in the China sea. :roll:
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

The Philippines knows that. They will not initiate hostilities.
It will be China that goes that route.
The present Poobah has been quite keen on playing to China's nationalists. Note the incursion the other year into Indian territory, set up camp and stayed for a tad. No innocent error in border crossing.
Once that comes into play, like any battle plan, only lasts till first contact, then it takes on a way of its own.
Then they are cornered into a Military response.

To the bolded. And you know that how???
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Yes, China's the provocateur as the US, 7,000 miles away from home flys surveillance above Chinese operations in the China sea. :roll:

The US is merely exercising freedom of navigation.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Apparently you weren't aware of what BO and his Team had to say.....that made a point clear. Once China tried to invoke an Air Defense Zone over International Waters. When its allies and friends asked for some assurance.

That which China did all with their own little actions. Like they did attacking little civilian fishing boats. Which you seems to give them a pass on. Now that's just sick killing unarmed civilians with no way to fight back. Do you enjoy it that much that all you can come up with is.....its the US who is at fault?






Hagel: China territorial claims destabilize region.....

SINGAPORE (AP) — Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned an international security conference Saturday that the U.S. "will not look the other way" when nations such as China try to restrict navigation or ignore international rules and standards. China's territorial claims in the South China Sea are destabilizing the region, and its failure to resolve disputes with other nations threatens East Asia's long-term progress, Hagel said.

Lt. Gen. Wang Guanzhong, deputy chief of the General Staff, told Hagel, "You were very candid this morning and, to be frank, more than our expectation." He added, "although I do think that those criticisms are groundless, I do appreciate your candor."

Reporters had to leave the room before Hagel responded. But Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said Hagel told Wang that all regional disputes should be solved through diplomacy, and he encouraged China to foster dialogue with neighboring nations......snip~

Hagel: China territorial claims destabilize region

I really don't care what Obama and Hagel have to say about a dispute amongst six countries in Asia. Btw, you do realise that there are six countries with overlapping claims. Meaning that this isn't China against five others, but that the others have disputes amongst themselves. Just so you'll know, Taiwan claims ALL of the Spratlys. Where's that leave Taiwan with Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, etc.?
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

The US is merely exercising freedom of navigation.

Agreed, I'm not suggesting that they can't be there. I'm just saying that the US was the provocateur. As someone already pointed out, knowing that they were going to poke a stick in this, they invited CNN to tag along.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Agreed, I'm not suggesting that they can't be there. I'm just saying that the US was the provocateur.

And in that you are wrong. The US flew in international airspace. China reacted belligerently.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

I don't care to get in the middle of your exchange but the problem she cites is real.

I'll believe it when I see it.

No source = no credence
 
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