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Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

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Should we give Israel more aid?

Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package | Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Israel reportedly wants the U.S. to increase its annual defense assistance package by half, to an average $4.5 billion. Defense News reported this weekend that Israel and U.S. officials have in recent months begun negotiations on the next 10-year aid package. The previous package, negotiated by the George W. Bush and Ehud Olmert governments in 2007, averaged $3 billion of assistance each year, for a total of $30 billion, from 2007-2017. The government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants that to increase to $42-45 billion over the 2018-2028 period, Defense News reported, adding that President Barack Obama during his March 2013 visit to Israel “endorsed in principle” that range.

Defense News quotes “U.S. and Israeli experts” as saying that the amount would be separate from any package the United States offered Israel as compensation for the Iran nuclear deal now being negotiated between Iran and the major powers. Like the defense assistance package currently in place, it is also separate from the $1.2 billion in materiel the United States stores in Israel and which under certain conditions is available for Israeli use, and from the approximately $500 million in U.S. funds provided to Israeli anti-missile development each year.
 
Hell no!! No ****ing way. Lets cut it back by 50%
 
Israel can make good use of it.
 
Israel can make good use of it.

Conservatives fight against tax money going towards helping impoverished people in their own country and then turn around and support sending billions to Israel. Being rich or poor is a choice according to conservative logic, right? If they want more money they should earn it themselves. Giving them welfare will just create dependency, right?
 
Conservatives fight against tax money going towards helping impoverished people in their own country and then turn around and support sending billions to Israel. Being rich or poor is a choice according to conservative logic, right? If they want more money they should earn it themselves. Giving them welfare will just create dependency, right?

You do realize that Israel isn't the only nation in the world to receive US foreign aid, right? It isn't even the largest recipient, Afghanistan is.
 
You do realize that Israel isn't the only nation in the world to receive US foreign aid, right? It isn't even the largest recipient, Afghanistan is.

Yes, I do realize that. Do you realize the argument you're setting up depends on the assumption that I don't have a problem with that as well?
 
Yes, I do realize that. Do you realize the argument you're setting up depends on the assumption that I don't have a problem with that as well?

Yes, I do realize that. Which is the reason I will ask to see a single thread you've opened to criticize it on this board. Come on, show me how stupid I am. :)
 
Explains why Israel has been so quiet lately. Once they get the money, they will start talking about nuking Iran again, being aggressive toward their neighbors, and spitting in the face of the US pretending they do not need us.
 
Should we give Israel more aid?

Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package | Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Israel reportedly wants the U.S. to increase its annual defense assistance package by half, to an average $4.5 billion. Defense News reported this weekend that Israel and U.S. officials have in recent months begun negotiations on the next 10-year aid package. The previous package, negotiated by the George W. Bush and Ehud Olmert governments in 2007, averaged $3 billion of assistance each year, for a total of $30 billion, from 2007-2017. The government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants that to increase to $42-45 billion over the 2018-2028 period, Defense News reported, adding that President Barack Obama during his March 2013 visit to Israel “endorsed in principle” that range.

Defense News quotes “U.S. and Israeli experts” as saying that the amount would be separate from any package the United States offered Israel as compensation for the Iran nuclear deal now being negotiated between Iran and the major powers. Like the defense assistance package currently in place, it is also separate from the $1.2 billion in materiel the United States stores in Israel and which under certain conditions is available for Israeli use, and from the approximately $500 million in U.S. funds provided to Israeli anti-missile development each year.

I can see it right now - if Obama says "we'll keep sending the same annual amount of @ $5B in U.S. taxpayer funds but no increase", the Republicans will yell, "OBAMA HATES ISRAEL!!!!"
 

So the only place where you're criticizing the aid to Afghanistan is in threads you open... criticizing Israel.
Funny, you don't think you're kinda proving my point here? Either that or it's a huge coincidence you will agree.
 
Conservatives fight against tax money going towards helping impoverished people in their own country and then turn around and support sending billions to Israel. Being rich or poor is a choice according to conservative logic, right? If they want more money they should earn it themselves. Giving them welfare will just create dependency, right?

Well said!

But now you're on the GOP lists of:

(1) those who obviously hate Israel
(2) probable Muslim
(3) which automatically places you on the GOP list of "probable terrorist"
(4) probable illegal immigrant
(5) liberal
(6) which places you on their list of "probable sexual deviant"

...

Dude, if the GOP ever gets total control, you're screwed....
 
So the only place where you're criticizing the aid to Afghanistan is in threads you open... criticizing Israel.
Funny, you don't think you're kinda proving my point here? Either that or it's a huge coincidence you will agree.

No, I actually think I trashed your point entirely. That thread demonstrates that I don't agree with sending aid to other countries either.
 
No, I actually think I trashed your point entirely. That thread demonstrates that I don't agree with sending aid to other countries either. You told me to show you how stupid you are by finding one post where I criticized aid being sent to other countries. Done and done. :)

The point I was making, as you're obviously so aware of it that you've seen it coming before I've actually made it, which says a lot on its own, is that you take more issue with aid to Israel than to other countries even though Afghanistan as one example gets a billion US dollars more every year in aid than Israel does.

The fact that the only other thread than this thread where you've criticized the aid to Afghanistan is another thread you've opened to bash Israel, where again you only said it in response to someone who confronted you about it (this time Kobie), does prove my point. It absolutely does. ;)
 
As much as I support Israel I am strongly of the opinion that we should not be giving money to ANY other nation until we fix our own problems. We do not have the luxury to give out free money when our economy is in shambles, our national debt sky high, and our nation facing some very tough times. Fix America before you presume to fix any other place.
 
The point I was making, as you're obviously so aware of it that you've seen it coming before I've actually made it, which says a lot on its own

Yeah, it says how entirely predicable your arguments are.

is that you take more issue with aid to Israel than to other countries even though Afghanistan as one example gets a billion US dollars more every year in aid than Israel does.

No, I do not take more issue with aid being sent to Israel. That's an incorrect assumption and I have already demonstrated that.

The fact that the only other thread than this thread where you've criticized the aid to Afghanistan is another thread you've opened to bash Israel, where again you only said it in response to someone who confronted you about it (this time Kobie), does prove my point. It absolutely does. ;)

No, it really doesn't. There is absolutely no basis from which you can reasonably assume that one bothers me more than the other. Are you seriously trying to tell me how I feel about it? You're wrong because I am telling you how I feel about it. You know, because I'm me and you're not. My post in the other thread adequately shows that it all bothers me.
 
You do realize that Israel isn't the only nation in the world to receive US foreign aid, right? It isn't even the largest recipient, Afghanistan is.

Afghanistan is a war torn country that we are still heavily involved in, and that has a per-capita GDP of $664. In contrast, Israel is a developed nation with a per-capita GDP of $36,000. So why does Israel need US taxpayer money?
 
Should we give Israel more aid?

Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package | Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Israel reportedly wants the U.S. to increase its annual defense assistance package by half, to an average $4.5 billion. Defense News reported this weekend that Israel and U.S. officials have in recent months begun negotiations on the next 10-year aid package. The previous package, negotiated by the George W. Bush and Ehud Olmert governments in 2007, averaged $3 billion of assistance each year, for a total of $30 billion, from 2007-2017. The government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants that to increase to $42-45 billion over the 2018-2028 period, Defense News reported, adding that President Barack Obama during his March 2013 visit to Israel “endorsed in principle” that range.

Defense News quotes “U.S. and Israeli experts” as saying that the amount would be separate from any package the United States offered Israel as compensation for the Iran nuclear deal now being negotiated between Iran and the major powers. Like the defense assistance package currently in place, it is also separate from the $1.2 billion in materiel the United States stores in Israel and which under certain conditions is available for Israeli use, and from the approximately $500 million in U.S. funds provided to Israeli anti-missile development each year.

Israel desires it? Quickly, give it to them!

It doesn't matter if Israel is among the bourgeois nations of the world. Since when do you question the will of the people of god? What are you, antisemites?!?
 
Yeah, it says how entirely predicable your arguments are.

You're hardly unpredictable, yourself.

No, I do not take more issue with aid being sent to Israel. That's an incorrect assumption and I have already demonstrated that.

By showing you've criticized it in another thread you've created to criticize Israel. You haven't opened a thread about aid to Afghanistan. These two 'demonstrations' base the fact that you take more issue with aid to Israel than other countries, and I use the word base because they make it undeniable.

No, it really doesn't. There is absolutely no basis from which you can reasonably assume that one bothers me more than the other. Are you seriously trying to tell me how I feel about it? You're wrong because I am telling you how I feel about it. You know, because I'm me and you're not. My post in the other thread adequately shows that it all bothers me.

Now now no need to get so angry about it, I was merely proving a point here.
 
Afghanistan is a war torn country that we are still heavily involved in, and that has a per-capita GDP of $664. In contrast, Israel is a developed nation with a per-capita GDP of $36,000. So why does Israel need US taxpayer money?

If it didn't need it the US wouldn't give it. I highly doubt the American administrations through the years are just sending money to anyone who wants it.
 
You're hardly unpredictable, yourself.



By showing you've criticized it in another thread you've created to criticize Israel. You haven't opened a thread about aid to Afghanistan. These two 'demonstrations' base the fact that you take more issue with aid to Israel than other countries, and I use the word base because they make it undeniable.



Now now no need to get so angry about it, I was merely proving a point here.

The fact that I haven't created a thread about aid given to Afghanistan does not prove that aid given to Israel bothers me more. Just like if I had made a thread about Afghanistan and not Israel it would not prove that aid given to Afghanistan bothers me more. The post I quoted sufficiently demonstrates that I am not prejudice in my dislike of foreign aid. You're trying to tell me how I feel and that is completely absurd. I know how I feel, and I even quoted myself to show I'm consistent in how I feel. You're wrong; you know it and so do I. Your efforts to save face are just making you look more ridiculous.
 
If it didn't need it the US wouldn't give it. I highly doubt the American administrations through the years are just sending money to anyone who wants it.

Are you aware of the existance of AIPAC in the 'states? Are you aware that every freshly elected President must go make a pledge to them right after the elections? The free corruption bar that is the US democratic system suits rich zionists quite fine.
 
You're hardly unpredictable, yourself.



By showing you've criticized it in another thread you've created to criticize Israel. You haven't opened a thread about aid to Afghanistan. These two 'demonstrations' base the fact that you take more issue with aid to Israel than other countries, and I use the word base because they make it undeniable.



Now now no need to get so angry about it, I was merely proving a point here.

Wow you are embarrassing yourself. You asked him to produce evidence, he produced the exact evidence you requested and you still deflect and go after him instead of addressing the topic. Interesting.
 
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