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Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

This is a nation founded by immigrants and besides that, i don't respect national borders. We live in a global society and communicate globally on a regular basis (this forum included). We have a right as global citizens to travel anywhere

Those fringe elements you listed are no threat. You aren't gonna see north korean tanks down your street any time soon. But here is my point. I couldn't give a **** less if obama was born in kenya. That has no relevance to anything except some antiquated and ethnocentric belief that kenyans aren't to be trusted, even if they have no memory of the place. I couldn't give a **** less if ted cruz is canadian, or arnold is austrian.

You really have to be paranoid indeed if you think there's any chance the nutjob hermit they made a comedy of could ever win election here, or a staunch russian nationalist. You know who does scare me though? Ted cruz, sarah palin, or any of the uneducated masses holding public office. See, it's plausible enough to happen.

And you're a mod means i'm not surprised at the litany of stupid comments on this forum

..and yet I'll bet that you cal Operation Iraqi Freedom an "invasion". If by your standard, we are all one big family, then our efforts in Iraq were little more than policing up a bad group of our "cousins".
 
It is subversive to cherry pick who you want to count in specific places just to reduce the representation of specific demographics, which is what this is about. It is entirely arbitrary how we choose to draw districts, but the intent should be to make the legislature match the population as much as possible. This move is to achieve the opposite of that intent. The only purpose here to is to gerrymander districts so as to be less representative.

VOTING districts should be determined by who is allowed to VOTE. Drawing voting districts based on anything other than that is the problem. This bill simply fixes that problem. But you don;t like it because the system of counting every Juan, Sahid and Akira that's here illegally benefits your party. So basically all the accusations you're throwing out are utter crap, since hat you're accusing the Reps. of doing is exactly what the Dems. did and the TRUTH is that this is an effort to fix what was done wrong by the DEMS. But you don't care about things like doing what's right, you just want to see your party in power no matter what.
 
Seriously??? The solution is simple: Put a checkbox on the census form for "Citizen".

well since conservatives argue that these masses of illegals are already voting, what's it to them to put one more false check on one more form?
 
Sure thing. Just find me one single politician anywhere who has said "It is not my duty to represent the children in my district."

You know what I mean, minors shouldn't be counted when it comes to voting and electoral vote distributions. Only legal citizens of voting age, it's quite common sense really.
 

Guess you can't read links too well can you?? Not sure what "pyjama" (sic) news is, but my source is the nonpartisan Open Secrets web site.

News Flash !!!!, The money reported by your links was from hundreds of supports, NOT just the Koch's. The correct amount is shown in the link from Open Secrets.

From your link:

The group — which is supported by hundreds of wealthy donors on the right, along with the Kochs...

It's really funny how the Kochs have become like Pavlov's dog to you lefties.
 
You know what I mean, minors shouldn't be counted when it comes to voting and electoral vote distributions. Only legal citizens of voting age, it's quite common sense really.

No, it's really not. The purpose is to have the population represented in Congress.
 
So no one has private property huh? We have no Right to tell others to not go onto our property huh? We should also let anyone and everyone safe passage onto military installations right? After all, its wrong to restrict others movements and we don't have the right to do so!

Yes. We do have the Right to restrict other peoples movements to areas that they do not belong. Until you see that your "idea" will always be considered preposterous.

And of COURSE you don't want to go into the practicality of it or the hypotheticals...because then your idea would be exposed for what it is. Nonsense. Looney Toons type nonsense.

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property as in living space is hardly the same as restricting someone from entering ANY part of a 3.8 MILLION square mile territory

granted, there is too much private property in america. Rich assholes think they can own land or housing they have no need for, like mccain not knowing how many houses he had (or was that romney?) Leave it to you though to go from one extreme of building walls to keep out people who pose no threat (but they look not white so all good!), to the extreme of pillaging the bedrooms of old ladies.

your strawmen do not deter me from this principle of equating freedom with free travel

and if you're gonna attach some crappy cartoon, at least draw it yourself
 
No, it's really not. The purpose is to have the population represented in Congress.

and the population should be counted among the legal voting populace, not illegals or those who cannot vote. That dilutes out he value of the votes for legal voting citizens.
 
and the population should be counted among the legal voting populace, not illegals or those who cannot vote. That dilutes out he value of the votes for legal voting citizens.

No, it doesn't. In fact, it strengthens your vote.
 
I find it odd the SC even picked-up this case, unless they're trying to go 'activist'?

How can they be going to to activist when they already exist that way?
 
How can they be going to to activist when they already exist that way?

Well I actually don't believe this case to be activist, citizens united was an activist decision, this one not so much, and a case like this is essential given an activist decision in the 70s (Reynolds) there is legitimate contention here, and it's a valid issue to sort out, I actually think the justices will uphold the status quo though, the census doesn't record the information nessecary to make the eligible voting registration system work
 
property as in living space is hardly the same as restricting someone from entering ANY part of a 3.8 MILLION square mile territory

And its all owned. Either privately or by the governments of those 3.8 million square mile territory. Or are you an anarchist also and don't believe governments?

granted, there is too much private property in america. Rich assholes think they can own land or housing they have no need for, like mccain not knowing how many houses he had (or was that romney?) Leave it to you though to go from one extreme of building walls to keep out people who pose no threat (but they look not white so all good!), to the extreme of pillaging the bedrooms of old ladies.

So, you want to also take away property of those that you think own too much of it. So much for private property rights. :roll:

And btw, I don't want the wall built. I want our immigration laws enforced for many reason. Not one single one of them has to do with the color of the illegal immigrants skin either. I dislike white illegal aliens just as much as brown illegal aliens, yellow illegal aliens, purple illegal aliens etc etc etc etc etc ad nauseum etc.

your strawmen do not deter me from this principle of equating freedom with free travel

Apparently you don't know what a strawman is. And yes, I know it doesn't deter you from such an idiotic position. I have just as much chance of doing that as I do wiping out ISIS all by myself.

and if you're gonna attach some crappy cartoon, at least draw it yourself

Why? When that one fits your agenda quite well? Don't fix what ain't broke. ;)
 
News Flash !!!!, The money reported by your links was from hundreds of supports, NOT just the Koch's. The correct amount is shown in the link from Open Secrets.

So Fahr LLC is just Tom Steyer's money???

As for the Kochs, the nearly one billion is not only coming from their pockets, but also from Freedom Partners, an organization they founded.

Freedom Partners is structured as a chamber of commerce and is composed of around 200 members, each paying a minimum US$100,000 in annual dues. In 2012, the organization raised $256 million.[4]

Freedom Partners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The organization is funded by the Koch brothers.[5] The Koch brothers website merely mention Freedom Partners operates independently of Koch Industries".[6] awards grants to advocacy organizations with the goal of raising public awareness about "important societal and economic issues".[3]

So if you want to play child-like semantics, be my guest. But you cannot deny that the Koch brothers are heavily behind funding the next election.
 
So Fahr LLC is just Tom Steyer's money???

As for the Kochs, the nearly one billion is not only coming from their pockets, but also from Freedom Partners, an organization they founded.



So if you want to play child-like semantics, be my guest. But you cannot deny that the Koch brothers are heavily behind funding the next election.

As are many others, on both sides, and that's a good thing. It ensures the flow of unrationed political speech.
 
Well I actually don't believe this case to be activist, citizens united was an activist decision, this one not so much, and a case like this is essential given an activist decision in the 70s (Reynolds) there is legitimate contention here, and it's a valid issue to sort out, I actually think the justices will uphold the status quo though, the census doesn't record the information nessecary to make the eligible voting registration system work

I would argue that Citizens United was merely a restorative decision, rolling back an activist assault on free speech.
 
I would argue that Citizens United was merely a restorative decision, rolling back an activist assault on free speech.

It's sadly ironic that Citizens United allows foreign money to affect U.S. elections. At odds with the principle behind this case, wouldn't you say?
 
So far Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who cares about the welfare of most Americans.

That is your view and you are certainly entitled to advocate it. I think Bernie Sanders as POTUS would undermine the welfare of most Americans.
 
I would argue that Citizens United was merely a restorative decision, rolling back an activist assault on free speech.
I would argue that corporations aren't people and you support legalized bribery.
 
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