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U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

WSUwarrior said:
With American warriors in size 12 boots standing by their sides.
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Point? I guess Powell's. If you break it you own it. You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
 
Montecresto said:
Pity that we broke the country a dozen years ago and they even have to struggle with this at all.
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I'm sure living under Saddam Husein's regime was much kinder and gentler than maintaining their new found freedom.
 
WSUwarrior said:
A liberal college professor somehow became President of the United States and turned his back on peaceful Iraqis while evil became emboldened by anti-American rhetoric spewed from the forked tongue of its community organizing, cop hating, racist, clown of a "leader".
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Obama, as any objective American would, hates bad cops, which while the small minority of them are, must be dealt with nevertheless.
 
LowDown said:
Yeah, if only we'd left Sadam Hussein in charge. It would all be peaches and cream now.
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Or if the Bush/Cheney/Iranian stooge Maliki had kept his word to keep Sunnis in his government.
Not to mention if Maliki hadn't insisted on Sharia law for our Soldiers with Bush/Cheney as co-President.

Why is it that the GOP continue to support the Shia who are backed by Iran ?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064653624 said:
I'm sure living under Saddam Husein's regime was much kinder and gentler than maintaining their new found freedom.
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Everybody knew what things were, what was expected of them and what could be expected of Saddam Hussein. The devil you know is better then the one you don't. Bush ruined Iraq, and it may never regain the stability it had under Saddam Hussein.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064653624 said:
I'm sure living under Saddam Husein's regime was much kinder and gentler than maintaining their new found freedom.
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You can ask the Sunni villagers who were massacred by Maliki about that.
Oh wait--you can't--they're dead.

And you wonder why common-folk Sunnis went over to AQ and IS .
 
Fletch said:
I don't blame Obama for everything. You just assume I am blaming Obama because I defend Bush against lying liberals. ISIS is not Obamas fault. Nor is it Bushs. ISIS is the result of the failed state in Syria. That happened on Obamas watch, so in that respect it is his problem. He can choose to deal with it or not, but he doesn't get to lie about it and blame Bush.
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The success or failure of Syria isn't Obama's responsibility.
 
WSUwarrior said:
All of Obama's policies have failed.
Bush handed Obama a stamped envelope with a won war inside and instead of sealing it Obama dumped out the contents and set it on fire.
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Maliki and his handiwork would like to disagree with you .
 
LowDown said:
Yeah, if only we'd left Sadam Hussein in charge. It would all be peaches and cream now.
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Yes, it would be just like it was between the years after the Gulf war and Bush's invasion, which was magnitudes better then it's been since.
 
sawdust said:
Everyone knew that the Iraqi army is not capable of matching up to ISIS head to head. This is a self fulfilling prophesy.
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Five years of Bush's training and equipping the Iraqi security forces. Another USFP failure.
 
Montecresto said:
Bush spent 5 years equipping and training the Iraqi security forces!!!
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I'm gonna float an idea I've had for a while comparing ISIL to--Spartacus and his Gladiators--or even the 300 Spartans.
They were superior to their enemies at least 100-1.
They could only be defeated by treachery in their own ranks.

With the recent mosque suicide bombing in SA by ISIS in the last day, it's obvious to me only the SA Sunnis can stop the ISIL Sunnis.
The best we can do is sell SA weapons as with Yemen.
While holding Iran and Israel at bay with agreements, and reject McCain's calls for boots on the ground.
Enriching the MIC should make enough people in D.C. comfortable as we head into our own election .
 
NIMBY said:
I'm gonna float an idea I've had for a while comparing ISIL to--Spartacus and his Gladiators--or even the 300 Spartans.
They were superior to their enemies at least 100-1.
They could only be defeated by treachery in their own ranks.

With the recent mosque suicide bombing in SA by ISIS in the last day, it's obvious to me only the SA Sunnis can stop the ISIL Sunnis.
The best we can do is sell SA weapons as with Yemen.
While holding Iran and Israel at bay with agreements, and reject McCain's calls for boots on the ground.
Enriching the MIC should make enough people in D.C. comfortable as we head into our own election .
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That sounds pretty reasonable to me.
 
Montecresto said:
Everybody knew what things were, what was expected of them and what could be expected of Saddam Hussein. The devil you know is better then the one you don't. Bush ruined Iraq, and it may never regain the stability it had under Saddam Hussein.
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Stability? The country was being racked with sanctions. The Kurds were being systematically exterminated. Shia were being oppressed. The devil indeed. Had Bush decided to let him stay there would be no end to your criticism of his policy.
 
LowDown said:
Stability? The country was being racked with sanctions. The Kurds were being systematically exterminated. Shia were being oppressed. The devil indeed. Had Bush decided to let him stay there would be no end to your criticism of his policy.
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Why didn't Bush put pressure on his NATO ally Turkey with respect to the Kurds ?
 
Montecresto said:
Five years of Bush's training and equipping the Iraqi security forces. Another USFP failure.
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You just cant help yourself can you. Bush left office in 2009. US forces left in 2011. The failure of the Iraqi military is a failure of the Iraqi military not USFP.
 
LowDown said:
Stability? The country was being racked with sanctions. The Kurds were being systematically exterminated. Shia were being oppressed. The devil indeed. Had Bush decided to let him stay there would be no end to your criticism of his policy.
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Bull ****. The world wasn't jumping up and down insisting on regime change in Iraq. This was a joint PNAC/Bush initiative from the days of Bush's Texas governorship.
 
Fletch said:
You just cant help yourself can you. Bush left office in 2009. US forces left in 2011. The failure of the Iraqi military is a failure of the Iraqi military not USFP.
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Saddam Hussein held Islamic extremists in check, the original USFP failure was Iraqi regime change. The world knows this, the GOP knows this, it doesn't require a Fletch acknowledgment.
 
If Iraq wanted to defend their own lands they would have adequately funded and trained their soldiers. This is not our concern, to blame them is accomplishing nothing.
 
NIMBY said:
Why didn't Bush put pressure on his NATO ally Turkey with respect to the Kurds ?
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Great point. Unfortunately, Turkey is making strides backwards, and if they continue on their present course, they should be kicked out of the EU.
 
iacardsfan said:
If Iraq wanted to defend their own lands they would have adequately funded and trained their soldiers. This is not our concern, to blame them is accomplishing nothing.
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A 300,000 man United States trained and equipped military!!!
 
Montecresto said:
Five years of Bush's training and equipping the Iraqi security forces. Another USFP failure.
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Bush said they weren't ready. When we pulled out prematurely Malaki installed all Shia commanders, the Sunni's split and the whole deal fell apart. Wouldn't have happened if Obama took Bush's advice.
 
Montecresto said:
Great point. Unfortunately, Turkey is making strides backwards,
and if they continue on their present course, they should be kicked out of the EU.
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Turkey doesn't want the "Biden" solution with multiple states.
As per the excellent example finebead spoke of last night with Yugoslavia>>>>>>Serbia--Bosnia--Herzegovina.

Obama's too proud and I hate to say, too much of a punk, to listen to his VP also--as with Sen. Warren on TPP.
Even GOPs in the know caught in a truthful moment agree with Biden's views .
 
sawdust said:
Bush said they weren't ready. When we pulled out prematurely Malaki installed all Shia commanders, the Sunni's split and the whole deal fell apart. Wouldn't have happened if Obama took Bush's advice.
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Had Bush taken any advice whatsoever there wouldn't have been regime change in Iraq, we wouldn't be talking about the Islamic State.
 
NIMBY said:
Turkey doesn't want the "Biden" solution with multiple states.
As per the excellent example finebead spoke of last night with Yugoslavia>>>>>>Serbia--Bosnia--Herzegovina.

Obama's too proud and I hate to say, too much of a punk, to listen to his VP also--as with Sen. Warren on TPP.
Even GOPs in the know caught in a truthful moment agree with Biden's views .
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Agreed.
 
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