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Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS[W:452]

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Removing the troops was disastrous for Iraq and humanity over the short term and unless the democracies change their attitudes quickly, it will be even more serious over the longer term.

Right now Canadians, Australians and the Brits, great Allies all, are fighting in Iraq against ISIS. More should definitely become involved.,
And until the Iraqi majority Shia realize they have to address the issues created by themselves, we will be there for years upon years.
But sadly that is not the political situation on the ground.
 
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Terrorism is an international problem and if you're going to start a war you should finish it. To cut and run has never been a part of the American tradition. I hope policies change after the next election and the democracies can organize under American leadership.

As well, a President is elected to lead and do what is best for the country. If following the polls is all it takes then billions might be saved by not bothering with elections.

To the bolded, that's the problem with the freaks on the right, they like to start fights. I'd prefer avoiding them to begin with. And I didn't mention polls. Obama campaigned on bringing the troops home from Iraq. In America, that's how it works, you vote for people based on what they say they are going to do, then you hope they actually do it. Now something's he did, and something's he hasn't, broken promises like we get from every president. Are you as intimate with Canadian politics as you try to be with American.
 
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Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

Removing the troops was disastrous for Iraq and humanity over the short term and unless the democracies change their attitudes quickly, it will be even more serious over the longer term.

Right now Canadians, Australians and the Brits, great Allies all, are fighting in Iraq against ISIS. More should definitely become involved.,

No, you guys handle it, can't the Canadians, the British and the Australians handle this rag tag bunch of criminals. Jesus Christ, what kind of militaries do those three big countries have anyway.
 
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Obama didn't push at all because he had promised to remove the troops from Iraq. Most thought this was an election gimmick and not to be taken seriously. Romney, and most everyone else certainly thought so, as you can see from this debate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7j7K3ksUg

To the bolded. If you believe that statement, you truly don't know **** about American politics.
 
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And until the Iraqi majority Shia realize they have to address the issues created by themselves, we will be there for years upon years.
But sadly that is not the political situation on the ground.
In fact the situation was created by the Coalition forces while the Iraqi people were under a dictatorship. They were later abandoned in 2011 and the Islamists, who were always fighting Coalition troops as well as murdering the Iraqi people, were allowed gain power.
 
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No, you guys handle it, can't the Canadians, the British and the Australians handle this rag tag bunch of criminals. Jesus Christ, what kind of militaries do those three big countries have anyway.
Recall it was the Americans who started the war. If you start it you own it, remember?
 
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Recall it was the Americans who started the war. If you start it you own it, remember?

Don't remind me of that, I was the one of a handful that opposed it at the run up, commencement, throughout its course, to its completion and withdrawal. Regularly reminding you of what a mistake it was and how that now, the majority of people agree with what my position was, all along. ;)
 
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And until the Iraqi majority Shia realize they have to address the issues created by themselves, we will be there for years upon years.
But sadly that is not the political situation on the ground.

By a consensus amongst American intelligence agency in its annual 2006 NIE, that war, the very invasion and occupation of Iraq, is the reason we have what we have today, was the direct responsibility for an increase in global terrorism, and made America less safe, yet there's folk here blaming Obama for the mess, discounting Bush's NIE assessment!!
 
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In fact the situation was created by the Coalition forces while the Iraqi people were under a dictatorship. They were later abandoned in 2011 and the Islamists, who were always fighting Coalition troops as well as murdering the Iraqi people, were allowed gain power.

They were elected by Iraqi's. The mess that Iraq is in justifies Bush 1 reasoning for not going after Saddam after Gulf War 1.
Now they are an Iranian client state.
The Iraq War 2 was a major mistake which will have repercussions across the ME for a number of generations.
 
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By a consensus amongst American intelligence agency in its annual 2006 NIE, that war, the very invasion and occupation of Iraq, is the reason we have what we have today, was the direct responsibility for an increase in global terrorism, and made America less safe, yet there's folk here blaming Obama for the mess, discounting Bush's NIE assessment!!

Because Obama has done nothing to put a stop to it. THAT is why Obama is being blamed for the mess!
 
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Don't remind me of that, I was the one of a handful that opposed it at the run up, commencement, throughout its course, to its completion and withdrawal. Regularly reminding you of what a mistake it was and how that now, the majority of people agree with what my position was, all along. ;)
Your opinion is quite irrelevant here. The fact is that the United States led a military Coalition into Iraq and then later made the ludicrous claim, by Obama, that they could unilaterally determine that the war was over. There seems to be millions who don't understand that it takes a minimum of two parties to declare and end to a war. The other side, as we can see, has not abandoned the war and continues murdering anyone in their way, just as they did prior to the Military taking control of the area until 2011, and Obama's retreat.
 
Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

By a consensus amongst American intelligence agency in its annual 2006 NIE, that war, the very invasion and occupation of Iraq, is the reason we have what we have today, was the direct responsibility for an increase in global terrorism, and made America less safe, yet there's folk here blaming Obama for the mess, discounting Bush's NIE assessment!!

That doesn't matter. The fact is that a Coalition of military powers, led by the United States, attacked Iraq, captured Saddam so he could be put on trial by the Iraqi people, introduced democray, made Iraq 'stable' and then withdrew, despite and against all advice.

It is America's war, not George Bush's war or Barrack Obama's war. Terrorists will kill any American they can by any means they can, and care not whether they are Democrat or Republican, Christian, Jew, Atheist, or Muslim. America, no matter what that goofy BHO claims, is still at war. And some, like yourself perhaps, are still debating whose fault it was without, like Obama, having any clear strategy to deal with that reality.
 
Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

By a consensus amongst American intelligence agency in its annual 2006 NIE, that war, the very invasion and occupation of Iraq, is the reason we have what we have today, was the direct responsibility for an increase in global terrorism, and made America less safe, yet there's folk here blaming Obama for the mess, discounting Bush's NIE assessment!!
You have what you have and are eventually going to have to deal with it. Time to look at the future with some coherency rather than running about like Chicken Little debating whose fault it all was.
 
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You have what you have and are eventually going to have to deal with it. Time to look at the future with some coherency rather than running about like Chicken Little debating whose fault it all was.

No, I don't. I think you guys are the ones with boots on the ground who need to deal with it, lol.
 
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That doesn't matter. The fact is that a Coalition of military powers, led by the United States, attacked Iraq, captured Saddam so he could be put on trial by the Iraqi people, introduced democray, made Iraq 'stable' and then withdrew, despite and against all advice.

It is America's war, not George Bush's war or Barrack Obama's war. Terrorists will kill any American they can by any means they can, and care not whether they are Democrat or Republican, Christian, Jew, Atheist, or Muslim. America, no matter what that goofy BHO claims, is still at war. And some, like yourself perhaps, are still debating whose fault it was without, like Obama, having any clear strategy to deal with that reality.

We're not scared. Take your fear mongering elsewhere.
 
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Your opinion is quite irrelevant here. The fact is that the United States led a military Coalition into Iraq and then later made the ludicrous claim, by Obama, that they could unilaterally determine that the war was over. There seems to be millions who don't understand that it takes a minimum of two parties to declare and end to a war. The other side, as we can see, has not abandoned the war and continues murdering anyone in their way, just as they did prior to the Military taking control of the area until 2011, and Obama's retreat.

I think that as a US citizen, my opinion trumps yours. :lamo
 
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I think that as a US citizen, my opinion trumps yours. :lamo

It doesn't trump mine. And without even reading Grant's post, I'd bet he is 100% correct.
 
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We're not scared. Take your fear mongering elsewhere.

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Former U.S. Army Ranger and Indiana native Peter Kassig, who later changed his name to Abdul-Rahman, served in the Iraq war and founded an aid organization for Syrian refugees.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympl...nger-isis-is-threatening-to-execut#.sbPzWD4d4

Abdul-Rahman (Peter Kassig) probably wasn't scared either.

Not until he was.

You don't need to be scared to be conquered or killed.

Just unwary and unprepared.

You seem like an advertisement to encourage both.

(Despite any denials, I believe you are a Muslim.)

But, they killed Abdul-Rahman and other Muslims, so why shouldn't a Westernized Muslim worry about ISIS, at least in theory?
 
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But, they killed Abdul-Rahman and other Muslims, so why shouldn't a Westernized Muslim worry about ISIS, at least in theory?
Wait, was he killed? Do you have a video? Guys like you are so funny, you believe what is written on the wall and don't search for any proof.
 
Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

Your opinion is quite irrelevant here. The fact is that the United States led a military Coalition into Iraq and then later made the ludicrous claim, by Obama, that they could unilaterally determine that the war was over. There seems to be millions who don't understand that it takes a minimum of two parties to declare and end to a war. The other side, as we can see, has not abandoned the war and continues murdering anyone in their way, just as they did prior to the Military taking control of the area until 2011, and Obama's retreat.

Lol. It's the Canadian setting in San Jose who's opinion is irrelevant!
 
Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

That doesn't matter. The fact is that a Coalition of military powers, led by the United States, attacked Iraq, captured Saddam so he could be put on trial by the Iraqi people, introduced democray, made Iraq 'stable' and then withdrew, despite and against all advice.

It is America's war, not George Bush's war or Barrack Obama's war. Terrorists will kill any American they can by any means they can, and care not whether they are Democrat or Republican, Christian, Jew, Atheist, or Muslim. America, no matter what that goofy BHO claims, is still at war. And some, like yourself perhaps, are still debating whose fault it was without, like Obama, having any clear strategy to deal with that reality.

Yes, it does matter. I would tell YOU what doesn't matter, but then you'd tattle tell.
 
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympl...nger-isis-is-threatening-to-execut#.sbPzWD4d4

Abdul-Rahman (Peter Kassig) probably wasn't scared either.

Not until he was.

You don't need to be scared to be conquered or killed.

Just unwary and unprepared.

You seem like an advertisement to encourage both.

(Despite any denials, I believe you are a Muslim.)

But, they killed Abdul-Rahman and other Muslims, so why shouldn't a Westernized Muslim worry about ISIS, at least in theory?

We're.............not.............scared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Of course you are, but the US Military certainly isn't.

I wasn't talking about the military, but myself.
 
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I wasn't talking about the military, but myself.
Yes, yes, you're very brave, I'm sure. You must have been using the Royal 'we' then when you said, "We're.............not.............scared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
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