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Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS[W:452]

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History by consensus rather than facts. That's taking the democratic ideal to whole new levels.

I figured you trip on that as well.
 
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That's where your wrong again. I've been clear that obamas Middle East policies have been a failure, too!

Good you see the errors of Obama's foreign policy failures.
 
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Good you see the errors of Obama's foreign policy failures.

Well of course, I can't believe that's news to you, pity you refuse to acknowledge Bush's.
 
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Yeah it doesn't bother me either.

Back to the environments, read my post again, that you responded to and tell me all the things I claim Obama was a complete failure on, that you claim was a complete success.

:lamo
 
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Well of course, I can't believe that's news to you, pity you refuse to acknowledge Bush's.

When it comes to Iraq, all I know is that Biden called Iraq a great accomplishment of the OBAMA administration and pulled out. Bush handed an Iraq won war to Obama that Obama has now lost along with all the blood and treasure. And now Obama is back in Iraq and losing.
 
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Yes, the Germans had given a great deal of information on meetings between Saddam and terrorist organizations also. It's amazing to me that these posters continually look for the evil in their own people while ignoring, or looking away, from the genuine evil of others. Failing to do even basic research before submitting their goofy opinions is a reflection of that.

Despising America is a badge of cosmopolitanism for statist dim bulbs who like to feel they are part of a moral elite. But most of them have about as much regard for facts and honesty as Josef Goebbels.
 
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When it comes to Iraq, all I know is that Biden called Iraq a great accomplishment of the OBAMA administration and pulled out. Bush handed an Iraq won war to Obama that Obama has now lost along with all the blood and treasure. And now Obama is back in Iraq and losing.

You don't believe anything Biden and Obama say, you're just using that to further beat them over the head with. That's fine though, they were wrong on that as well.
 
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No, it's obvious that circumstances in the Middle East were vastly better when Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were in control and Islamic extremists were contained. A dozen years of failed USFP in the region and we have the mess today. And you continue to ignore the consensus intelligence report of 2006 that concluded that the invasion and occupation of Iraq caused an INCREASE in global terrorism and made America less safe, and the fact that the GOP congress now acknowledges that the war in Iraq was wrong, a mistake! ;)

So you support the US placing a brutal, murderous dictator in charge of Iraq again?
 
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So you support the US placing a brutal, murderous dictator in charge of Iraq again?

I want the U.S. doing nothing in the Middle East, we've caused enough trouble there.
 
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I want the U.S. doing nothing in the Middle East, we've caused enough trouble there.

So the day that a murderous regime that feeds political dissidents into paper shredders takes control of Iraq can't come fast enough for you?
 
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So the day that a murderous regime that feeds political dissidents into paper shredders takes control of Iraq can't come fast enough for you?

Well, I've already told you what I preferred. That's been destroyed by a dozen years of failed USFP. I suppose you like the Middle East of today better then the Middle East of say 1998.
 
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Well I can tell you that here in America, it's nearly universally realized that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a mistake, besides failure. And despite the fact that we have a very vocal fringe right minority who still think otherwise, (half of them are here at DP) Americas moving left, and with any luck, we'll see less foolish military adventurism. But, if that doesn't stop us, there's other factors at play that will.

Can't you think of even ONE instance when everyone believed a certain way but everyone turned out to be wrong?

EDIT:The more i think about it the more examples come to mind.
 
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Well, I've already told you what I preferred. That's been destroyed by a dozen years of failed USFP. I suppose you like the Middle East of today better then the Middle East of say 1998.



Uploaded on Sep 12, 2007

Bill Clinton on The Iraq Liberation Act in 1998. November 15, 1998 and December 16, 1998.
 
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Well, I've already told you what I preferred. That's been destroyed by a dozen years of failed USFP. I suppose you like the Middle East of today better then the Middle East of say 1998.

So yes, once a murderous, brutal dictatorship is again gassing and starving the Iraqi people you will be happy.
 
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Yeah, I figured after posting that that you'd be oblivious to that as well. U.S. Power is waning, the status quo of a U.S. Dominated uni-polar world is unsustainable, is a threat to global security and will be opposed.
Opposed by whom?
 
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Yeah, I figured after posting that that you'd be oblivious to that as well. U.S. Power is waning, the status quo of a U.S. Dominated uni-polar world is unsustainable, is a threat to global security and will be opposed.

Its always been clear you thought this.
 
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So yes, once a murderous, brutal dictatorship is again gassing and starving the Iraqi people you will be happy.

Who told you it was a murderous, brutal dictatreship? In 1998 Iraq was a stable State (comparing with others in the Middle East) and what is more important it's population was united.
For Modern World Saddam was a relique of the past, but who gave them the right?...

There is no exact answer what was better for Iraq - to stay with Saddam or to make changes, but what I know exactly is that at the moment Iraqis are missing those times.

You can't win love by force, they say..
 
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Who told you it was a murderous, brutal dictatreship? In 1998 Iraq was a stable State (comparing with others in the Middle East) and what is more important it's population was united.
For Modern World Saddam was a relique of the past, but who gave them the right?...

There is no exact answer what was better for Iraq - to stay with Saddam or to make changes, but what I know exactly is that at the moment Iraqis are missing those times.

You can't win love by force, they say..

During that time the Iraqi government purposely redirected food and resources away from large swaths of the population that resulted in the starvation deaths of 400,000 to 500,000 Iraqis, mostly children.

That is what is best for the Iraqi people?
 
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So yes, once a murderous, brutal dictatorship is again gassing and starving the Iraqi people you will be happy.

You seem quite content with the mess the U.S. has created in Iraq and the entire region now. Not only you, but the rest of the pro-war gang here are bitching because we don't have boots on the ground once again. It's very much time for the nations in the region to deal with the extremists in their midst themselves. You are a fringe group. The vast majority of people now acknowledge that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a mistake, that includes, to your chagrin, the majority of your own GOP congress! Do you want to accuse them along with the majority of Americans of finding happiness at the thought of people being "gassed and brutally murdered"?
 
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Opposed by whom?

Emerging powers that will balance it out. I know that's troubling to you.
 
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Its always been clear you thought this.

Yes, I've tried to make that clear, I'm glad it has been. Anything that threatens global security, I'm opposed to.
 
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You seem quite content with the mess the U.S. has created in Iraq and the entire region now. Not only you, but the rest of the pro-war gang here are bitching because we don't have boots on the ground once again. It's very much time for the nations in the region to deal with the extremists in their midst themselves. You are a fringe group. The vast majority of people now acknowledge that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a mistake, that includes, to your chagrin, the majority of your own GOP congress! Do you want to accuse them along with the majority of Americans of finding happiness at the thought of people being "gassed and brutally murdered"?

In the same way you seem very content with murderous dictators.
 
Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

Who told you it was a murderous, brutal dictatreship? In 1998 Iraq was a stable State (comparing with others in the Middle East) and what is more important it's population was united.
For Modern World Saddam was a relique of the past, but who gave them the right?...

There is no exact answer what was better for Iraq - to stay with Saddam or to make changes, but what I know exactly is that at the moment Iraqis are missing those times.

You can't win love by force, they say..

Bill Clinton 1998 on the Iraq Liberation Act - Admits Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction


Published on Mar 31, 2014

(1998) In those days the message of the Left was that everyone knows Saddam had WMD because Bush "dropped the ball" and did not invade Iraq during Dessert Storm and take out Saddam Hussein.
 
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