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Same-sex marriage on course to be approved by Ireland [W:112]

Deuce said:
Please. Don't pretend you actually support Leviticus. It says something that fits your ideas about homosexuals, and you'll happily ignore everything else it says.
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See my post above.
 
Logicman said:
This thread is about gay marriage, and you won't find one of those in the Bible. Nor will you find even one God-approved gay sexual relationship in it.

As for slavery, what is it about Jesus' "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" that you think even remotely approves of enslaving someone?

So get a new dog, that one has fleas.
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please, everyone but you can see that jesus and paul had a thing

"baptism" being code for....well, use your imagination
 
Logicman said:
You've never read the Bible, have you?

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

There's no gay marriages in the Old Testament; No gay marriages in the New Testament; no gay sex approved anywhere in the Bible. Just the opposite - gay sex is condemned in both testaments. God is consistent on that.

And to close:

“Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.” - Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments

Dr. Bruce Metzger of Princeton Theological Seminary mentions other references to Sodom's sexual immorality in 3 Maccabees 2:5: "the people of Sodom who acted arrogantly, who were notorious for their vices." And again in Jubilees 16:6: "the uncleanness of the Sodomites."
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Uhh, you were the one limiting the slavery question to a single line out of the bible. Now suddenly homosexuality requires looking at the whole thing?

How come with slavery we don't look at the whole bible? Another poster already gave you some quotes outright supporting slavery.
 
Logicman said:
See my post above.
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3: 17 "'This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.'"
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Hope you eat your burgers very lean.

11:4 Whatever divides a hoof, thus making split hoofs, and chews the cud, among the animals, that you may eat. 4'Nevertheless, you are not to eat of these, among those which chew the cud, or among those which divide the hoof: the camel, for though it chews cud, it does not divide the hoof, it is unclean to you. 5'Likewise, the shaphan, for though it chews cud, it does not divide the hoof, it is unclean to you;…
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No pigs.

Now, some like to snag that one-off line from Jesus about what comes out of your mouth defiling you, and proclaim none of the food rules apply. Fine. It's your book. Let's move on.


19:13 You shall not oppress your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of a hired man are not to remain with you all night until morning.
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Weekly paychecks are against the will of god.

19:19 You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together. 20Now if a man lies carnally with a woman who is a slave acquired for another man, but who has in no way been redeemed nor given her freedom, there shall be punishment; they shall not, however, be put to death, because she was not free.…
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Don't wear cotton blends.

19:32 You shall rise up before the grayheaded and honor the aged,
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Have you stood every time your grandfather was present?

19:33 When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born.
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Open borders!

'23:3 There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.
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Have you ever in your life worked on the seventh day?
 
Logicman said:
That's all it needed.



That wasn't the whole thing, but apparently you weren't up to date on even that.
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You were shown bible passages explicitly supporting slavery. Why don't those count?
 
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Logicman said:
I suppose Sodom and Gomorrah rocked too, right? Maybe in their final, fatal seconds, but not before.
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You don't get extra points for being a martyr.

Your fables mean nothing to a reasoned, intelligent mind.
 
Deuce said:
Hope you eat your burgers very lean.

No pigs.

Now, some like to snag that one-off line from Jesus about what comes out of your mouth defiling you, and proclaim none of the food rules apply. Fine. It's your book. Let's move on.

Weekly paychecks are against the will of god.

Don't wear cotton blends.
Have you stood every time your grandfather was present?

Open borders!

Have you ever in your life worked on the seventh day?
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Still trying to justify sexual perversion are you? Sorry, it's not working for you.

And one of the reasons it's not working for you is, unlike what you present above, gay sex is a MORAL SIN, and those have never been abolished.
 
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Logicman said:
That's all it needed.



That wasn't the whole thing, but apparently you weren't up to date on even that.
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I'm wearing mixed fibers, your god is sending me to hell....LOL

Why do you get so much enjoyment fantacizing about people going to hell? Is that the gratification you need to keep believing in the "hitman" god you created?
 
beefheart said:
I'm wearing mixed fibers, your god is sending me to hell....LOL

Why do you get so much enjoyment fantacizing about people going to hell? Is that the gratification you need to keep believing in the "hitman" god you created?
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Why do you care, and what's it to you?
 
Logicman said:
Why do you care, and what's it to you?
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I find it hilarious that people like you actually turn more people into agnostics and atheists.

However, what it IS to me, is that people like you are constantly trying to change laws so that you can enforce your theocratic bilge.

You are an addict, you are addicted to how you have twisted christianity into a "god as hitman" zealotry.

Religion is dying, because information and reason are readily available. Join the dinosaurs.
 
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beefheart said:
I'm wearing mixed fibers, your god is sending me to hell....LOL
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The mixed fibers thing is about fraud, and fraud is very illegal today. Are you saying you're currently engaged in fraud?

There is no prohibition against wearing mixed fibers. There never was. There is no prohibition against selling mixed fibers, either. There never was.

You have to be honest about the product you're selling. That's what the Bible is teaching there, and the mandate is reflected in modern US law.
 
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Jerry said:
The mixed fibers thing is about fraud, and fraud is very illegal today. Are you saying you're currently engaged in fraud?
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Do you hate figs? Jesus was enraged by figs.
 
Jerry said:
We kill failed plants all the time, that's no big deal.
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Jesus got angry because the fig tree didn't have fruit, but it wasn't in season. He sounds like a pretty angry and ignorant guy.
 
beefheart said:
Jesus got angry because the fig tree didn't have fruit, but it wasn't in season. He sounds like a pretty angry and ignorant guy.
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Prove he existed in the first place, to then be angry and ignorent.
 
Jerry said:
Prove he existed in the first place, to then be angry and ignorent.
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Wow, spelling ignorant wrong. Irony.

No, can't prove Jesus existed, can't prove most of the fables in the bible.
 
Jerry said:
Thank you, I do try :)


So you can't prove he was angry or ignorent as you claimed, you can't prove your claim?
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Then, it follows that you can't prove any of the other things he said...can you?

And, learn to spell ignorant, of all the words to get wrong....
 
Logicman said:
I suppose Sodom and Gomorrah rocked too, right? Maybe in their final, fatal seconds, but not before.
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Somehow....I think God will care a lot less about who someone loves than he will about what productive people did with their lives and how they treated their fellow mankind. That was really what the teachings of Jesus Christ are about. He had nothing to say about gay marriage or even anything close to it. Sorry Bub.
 
beefheart said:
Then, it follows that you can't prove any of the other things he said...can you?
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The thing about mixed fabrics was written long before Jesus is said to have been born.

beefheart said:
And, learn to spell ignorant, of all the words to get wrong....
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I enjoy your outrage over it, trolling is a art :)
 
Jerry said:
The thing about mixed fabrics was written long before Jesus is said to have been born.


I enjoy your outrage over it, trolling is a art :)
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Not trolling, just poor spelling on your part, and a sad attempt to cover it up.
 
beefheart said:
Not trolling, just poor spelling on your part, and a sad attempt to cover it up.
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I love that you're still mad about it. We don't have to talk about mixed fabrics and fig trees if you would rather focus on my trolling style, it's not like this thread has any hope anyway.
 
Jerry said:
I love that you're still mad about it. We don't have to talk about mixed fabrics and fig trees if you would rather focus on my trolling style, it's not like this thread has any hope anyway.
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Not mad, but it is a great example of fables turned into belief turned into politics...
 
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