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Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

I bet we could raise a million $'s for wildlife conservation if we attached missile launchers to the side of an elephant, and sent a guy in to try and kill it.

Or better yet, we can raise money for the kids in Africa by handing two African kids guns, put them in an enclosure and have them hunt each other. Imagine the pay per view ratings on that!
 
Hmmm So what are they more interested in then do you think ? Conservation or exploiting their endagered wildlife in order to make a fast easy buck in a poor country. Thats a toughie :lamo

guess what-its their country, their call but since i actually am very well informed on this subject, it was to both make some needed cash and its best for the species
 
I bet we could raise a million $'s for wildlife conservation if we attached missile launchers to the side of an elephant, and sent a guy in to try and kill it.

Or better yet, we can raise money for the kids in Africa by handing two African kids guns, put them in an enclosure and have them hunt each other. Imagine the pay per view ratings on that!

what bugs you the most

Hunters use guns-an item you are on record for wanting to ban
or that the guy was wealthy?
 
So far you have justified the killing of this rhino and what we do to other animals because humans have "reasoned" it to be necessary and because we see them as lower life forms. Said reasoning is incorrect on this matter and you have yet to show why exactly they are to be considered inherently "lower". Now you are using what is known as the appeal to nature to fallacy to justify your actions. Would you care to approach this subject rationally now please?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature


Saying something is idiotic does not automatically make it so. So far nothing is supporting this other than your subjective opinions.


You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You and others cling to your stereotypical ideas of ARAs, but very few of them are based in truth. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you have never sat down and had a rational conversation with an ARA in your life. We care about other animals because they are our biological and evolutionary kin. Because, as modern science indicates, their minds ARE similar to our own and so we are able to empathize with them. It has very little to do with a ****ing Disney movie and the sooner you realize that the better you will be able to have these sorts of discussions.


Protect the animals from the poachers then. Their potential misdeeds do not justify our own violent solutions. The problem with many conservation efforts is that they look at other animal species as some sort of amorphous blob where only the whole rather than the individual parts are important. Modern cognitive science indicates that animals are individuals that each posses their own unique personalities. Some are brave, some are more timid and sensitive, others are prideful. It's simply ridiculous to only think of the species as a whole in light of these facts. When we kill an individual animal we are causing that animal SUFFERING. A species, on the other hand, cannot suffer.

we ought to compare our respective knowledge about animals and hunting and conversation
 
what bugs you the most

Hunters use guns-an item you are on record for wanting to ban
or that the guy was wealthy?

I understand, as I eat this itallian sub, that some animals had to die in order for me to be eating this sandwich right now. I understand that much. I understand that is how nature is suppose to work. Hunting for sport to me is disgusting. Why kill more then you need to kill? For fun? I never understood how killing anything was fun.

Ill go to the store all day and buy chicken and fry it up on the grill. Or ill go to outback and have a nice juicy steak. But since there is already a lot of killing going on, and it is enough to feed me. Basically what I am getting at is I am not going to go out and kill a chicken, when I could go down to the supermarket and buy one that is already dead and ready to eat.
 
what bugs you the most

Hunters use guns-an item you are on record for wanting to ban
or that the guy was wealthy?

Now lets say in some kind of end of America satiation, where there are no stores, or the prices are so high no one can afford it, then yes, I would be out there with everyone else hunting down my dinner.
 
I understand, as I eat this itallian sub, that some animals had to die in order for me to be eating this sandwich right now. I understand that much. I understand that is how nature is suppose to work. Hunting for sport to me is disgusting. Why kill more then you need to kill? For fun? I never understood how killing anything was fun.

Ill go to the store all day and buy chicken and fry it up on the grill. Or ill go to outback and have a nice juicy steak. But since there is already a lot of killing going on, and it is enough to feed me. Basically what I am getting at is I am not going to go out and kill a chicken, when I could go down to the supermarket and buy one that is already dead and ready to eat.

eating food you enjoy that requires the death of animal is OK with you but hunting for sport isn't

hypocrisy at its finest
 
Now lets say in some kind of end of America satiation, where there are no stores, or the prices are so high no one can afford it, then yes, I would be out there with everyone else hunting down my dinner.

with what? your bare hands?
 
eating food you enjoy that requires the death of animal is OK with you but hunting for sport isn't

hypocrisy at its finest

Hunting for sport and killing to eat are not the same thing. Why am I even entertaining this post just to point out the obvious as it is some kind of revelation that only I had just now. I don't think it requires any explaining at all, and everyone knows the difference between hunting for sport and hunting to feed your family.

And of course I would use a gun if I were hunting for food.
 
Hunting for sport and killing to eat are not the same thing. Why am I even entertaining this post just to point out the obvious as it is some kind of revelation that only I had just now. I don't think it requires any explaining at all, and everyone knows the difference between hunting for sport and hunting to feed your family.

And of course I would use a gun if I were hunting for food.

I am talking about you enjoying a meal of a dead animal that someone else killed for you
 
I am talking about you enjoying a meal of a dead animal that someone else killed for you

I would go to the store and buy it. Because stores purchase them from slaughter houses that use and sell as much of the animal as they can unlike many hunters who eat the meat and throw everything else away. Or like me, I would have no use for anything but the meat, so its better for me to purchase it from the store so that the animal that died to feed me gets put to much better use then I could alone use it for.
 
I would go to the store and buy it. Because stores purchase them from slaughter houses that use and sell as much of the animal as they can unlike many hunters who eat the meat and throw everything else away. Or like me, I would have no use for anything but the meat, so its better for me to purchase it from the store so that the animal that died to feed me gets put to much better use then I could alone use it for.

enjoy eating meat-fine with me
enjoy hunting animals legally-fine with me
 
we ought to compare our respective knowledge about animals and hunting and conversation
I doubt it would be close on your end, but funnily enough I don't consider the "conservation" of the human species before I consider the rights of individual humans nor do I do this with animals. Unlike you and others I am not biased toward my own species and recognize the interests of other species besides our own.

I understand, as I eat this itallian sub, that some animals had to die in order for me to be eating this sandwich right now. I understand that much. I understand that is how nature is suppose to work. Hunting for sport to me is disgusting. Why kill more then you need to kill? For fun? I never understood how killing anything was fun.

Ill go to the store all day and buy chicken and fry it up on the grill. Or ill go to outback and have a nice juicy steak. But since there is already a lot of killing going on, and it is enough to feed me. Basically what I am getting at is I am not going to go out and kill a chicken, when I could go down to the supermarket and buy one that is already dead and ready to eat.
You do realize, of course, that animals are killed for fun in nature as well? You can't have it both ways.
 
I doubt it would be close on your end, but funnily enough I don't consider the "conservation" of the human species before I consider the rights of individual humans nor do I do this with animals. Unlike you and others I am not biased toward my own species and recognize the interests of other species besides our own.


You do realize, of course, that animals are killed for fun in nature as well? You can't have it both ways.

you are right-I do put humans ahead of say mosquitos, ticks, highly venomous spiders, sewer rats and other things I kill as fast as I can
 
you are right-I do put humans ahead of say mosquitos, ticks, highly venomous spiders, sewer rats and other things I kill as fast as I can
I'm sure if it was up to you we'd have eradicated all the ugly humans by now as well.
 
I doubt it would be close on your end, but funnily enough I don't consider the "conservation" of the human species before I consider the rights of individual humans nor do I do this with animals. Unlike you and others I am not biased toward my own species and recognize the interests of other species besides our own.


You do realize, of course, that animals are killed for fun in nature as well? You can't have it both ways.

So we should do it too? I thought that is what distinguished us apart from less evolved animals, was the ability to reason that we did not have to be wasteful and crewel.
 
that's a really stupid comment
Okay. What exactly was your point then?

So we should do it too? I thought that is what distinguished us apart from less evolved animals, was the ability to reason that we did not have to be wasteful and crewel.
Exactly. So there's no reason to justify killing and eating animals because that's what "nature" does.
 
NO where did I read about the culling of sterile males.
Very first line in the thread but I'm not surprised you didn't read it. So I will paste it here for you.
The rhino was apparently an old rhino that no longer bred but was chasing off other potential male mates.
But I digress. Of course it's about the money.
Well not the shooting part that was about culling a sterile male. Please tell me again how you failed to read the op.
 
So far you have justified the killing of this rhino and what we do to other animals because humans have "reasoned" it to be necessary and because we see them as lower life forms.
No I haven't. They ARE lower life forms.
Said reasoning is incorrect on this matter and you have yet to show why exactly they are to be considered inherently "lower".
Explain how they are equal? I've never seen a human farm with pig farmers.
Now you are using what is known as the appeal to nature to fallacy to justify your actions.
WHAT ****ING ACTIONS???
Would you care to approach this subject rationally now please?
Yes, pigs and roaches are lower life forms. You claim they are not, defend your claim. I've defended my claim pointing out that there are no human farms with pig farmers. So now it's your burden to prove.
 
No I haven't. They ARE lower life forms. Explain how they are equal? I've never seen a human farm with pig farmers.
They are equal because they all possess interests that are worth consideration. Your criteria for judging the equality of individuals is rather piss poor. So because humans are able to force animals into captivity and kill them makes them higher life forms? The strongest one is always superior? I have read of humans that had slaves, but I suppose they were lower life forms as well?

WHAT ****ING ACTIONS???
Is your memory that poor? Eating flesh and killing bugs. Jesus...
 
They are equal because they all possess interests that are worth consideration.
That doesn't make them equal.
Your criteria for judging the equality of individuals is rather piss poor.
Your opinion is irrelevant.
So because humans are able to force animals into captivity and kill them makes them higher life forms?
No our higher intelligence makes us higher life forms.
The strongest one is always superior?
No the smartest.
I have read of humans that had slaves, but I suppose they were lower life forms as well?
Wtf aren't you understanding humans are higher life forms.


Is your memory that poor? Eating flesh and killing bugs. Jesus...
I already answered that.
 
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