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Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

yet the people buying my stuff are in the outer lying area's they are were I am at.
they won't travel to those area's which means I lose my business.

I have what you say makes no sense.


" the people buying my stuff are in the outer lying area's they are were I am at".


"I have what you say makes no sense".



What?

No sense you say?
 
Good news for the fight against income inequality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/20/u...to-raise-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour.html?_r=0

The nation’s second-largest city voted on Tuesday to increase its minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2020 from the current $9 an hour, in what is perhaps the most significant victory so far in the national push to raise the minimum wage. The increase — which the Los Angeles City Council passed in a 14-1 vote — comes as workers across the country are rallying for higher wages, and several large companies, including Facebook and Walmart, have moved to raise their lowest wages. Several other cities, including San Francisco, Seattle and Oakland, Calif., have already approved increases, and dozens more are considering doing the same. In 2014, a number of Republican-leaning states like Alaska and South Dakota also raised their state-level minimum wage by referendum. The impact is likely to be particularly strong in Los Angeles, where, according to some estimates, more than 40 percent of the city’s work force earns less than $15 an hour.

So long as LA doesnt force it on my city, good for them. I fully support local governance.
 
Id bet anything that ABOLISHING the minimum wage would make wages raise faster than artificially raising the minimum wage for political reasons.
You come to this conclusion because raises for the lowest paid workers were rising fast before there was a MW? Employers would raise wages out of the goodness in their hearts? The minimum wage came about when owners arbitrarily CUT wages. To combat deflation, the government instituted the MW.

There is no evidence AT ALL that abolishing the minimum wage would make wages raise faster. That's just absurd and fantasy.
 
Good news for the fight against income inequality.

Yeah, fifteen bucks an hour. Those people will be catching up with those evil millionaires and billionaires in no time. :roll:
 
So why do we "need" a $15 an hour minimum wage? Just a couple of years ago it was normal to work 40+ hours a week. Then came Obamacare and redefined the full time work week as 30 hours. Basically the government told employers to either cut their employees to 30 hours or less or face huge fines in the form of being forced to pay for their health insurance. Not the way most people perceive it, but that is essentially what happened. Again, this from a government that only pretends to care about debt and deficits, they could have simply paid for everyone to be insured, but again that is not the purpose.

So the employers (many of them) complied and cut hours. then people who used to work 40+ hours were working less than 30 but they still had the same bills to pay. Higher bills actually, because health insurance costs went up too. So rather than get a second job, which would be difficult for many because of secondary commute times and scheduling, they turned to the same government that f#$%@d it all up to fix it, and the proposal was to once again lie to the low earners and blame the employers. Because that is how this administration works.

You are perpetuating falsehoods. Although conservatives claimed that Obamacare forced more part-time jobs, it isn't true. In fact, there’s no evidence that the ACA is forcing a shift to part-time work, according to the Urban Institute and Robert Wood Johnson Foundation report.

Business Insider: The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.
This was one hopeful nugget in an otherwise lackluster jobs report.
Workers are considered to be "part time" if they work under 35 hours a week.
Earlier this summer, when part-time numbers looked like they might be on the rise, some speculated that the shift was due to the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act.
Under Obamacare, employers will be required to offer health insurance or face penalties (the White House recently announced it will delay enforcement until 2015). Some companies have said they will reduce their full-time staff to below the 50-employee threshold as a result, or simply shave back full-timers' hours.
"If the health law were driving employers to cut employees’ hours, the most vulnerable workers would likely be those working just above the 30-hour cutoff," writes the Wall Street Journal's Ben Casselman. "That means the data would show a decline in those working 30 to 34 hours and an increase in those working less than 30 hours." He explains:
That isn’t what’s happening. The share of part-timers who say they usually work between 30 and 34 hours at their main job has been roughly flat over the past three years, at about 28%. (September data aren’t yet available.) If anything, it’s actually risen in the past year, though the change has been minor. The share working just under 30 hours has indeed risen somewhat, but the share working under 25 hours has fallen—suggesting that employers are giving part-timers more hours, rather than cutting full-timers’ hours back.

As for your claim that "they [the government] could have simply paid for everyone to be insured, but again that is not the purpose." It was hard enough getting Obamacare passed conservatives. Single-payer just isn't in the cards.
 
Yeah, fifteen bucks an hour. Those people will be catching up with those evil millionaires and billionaires in no time. :roll:

Some people are content with just living comfortably.
 
Some people are content with just living comfortably.

Fifteen bucks an hour ain't living too comfortably in southern California. Besides, what does that have to do with your claim that this is somehow a victory for income inequality?
 
LOL of course you do everyone is everything on the internet.
you don't pay 15 bucks an hour either on every position you have.

you pay the market rate for the job the person is doing.

And if you lived in a country that didn't have a significant minimum wage or strong unionization, you'd find out really quickly just how low that market rate suddenly becomes. Why? Because in a country where people need jobs in order to live, people will work for $1 per hour and be glad they've got that...because it's either that, or they turn to a life of crime.

I've seen this, guy - this IS the way it works in almost every single country out there that has neither a minimum wage nor strong unionization.

You really should live overseas in a third-world nation for a while. Get to really know the locals, how they live, how they do business. It's a real eye-opener - and you learn things you never could from television or the internet. What I'm telling you about your "market rate" fantasy is one of those lessons, that relying on on a "market rate" for pay results in poverty far worse than anything we have here in America.
 
And if you lived in a country that didn't have a significant minimum wage or strong unionization, you'd find out really quickly just how low that market rate suddenly becomes. Why? Because in a country where people need jobs in order to live, people will work for $1 per hour and be glad they've got that...because it's either that, or they turn to a life of crime.

I've seen this, guy - this IS the way it works in almost every single country out there that has neither a minimum wage nor strong unionization.

You really should live overseas in a third-world nation for a while. Get to really know the locals, how they live, how they do business. It's a real eye-opener - and you learn things you never could from television or the internet. What I'm telling you about your "market rate" fantasy is one of those lessons, that relying on on a "market rate" for pay results in poverty far worse than anything we have here in America.

Yeah, minimum wage and lack of unionization are the only things keeping people down in third world countries. Despotic governments play no role whatsoever. :roll:
 
Fifteen bucks an hour ain't living too comfortably in southern California. Besides, what does that have to do with your claim that this is somehow a victory for income inequality?

Perhaps by comfortably, he meant not needing transfer payments (handouts for the lazy!!!!) to cover what serves as the bare minimum of survival in a supposed 1st world country : rent, food, car/bus, electricity, water, cell phone (yes, that is a job requirement nowadays in the food service industry), insurance, and clothing/laundry.

Since people abuse "welfare" (or so I'm told), why not cut out the middle man? A living wage does exactly that.
 
Perhaps by comfortably, he meant not needing transfer payments (handouts for the lazy!!!!) to cover what serves as the bare minimum of survival in a supposed 1st world country : rent, food, car/bus, electricity, water, cell phone (yes, that is a job requirement nowadays in the food service industry), insurance, and clothing/laundry.

Since people abuse "welfare" (or so I'm told), why not cut out the middle man? A living wage does exactly that.

How can you artificially create a "living wage. " whether the work produced warrants it or not?
 
really....ten new upstarts for every one that closes?

if that really was the case, the LA basin unemployment rate would be at 2-3% tops

last i saw...it was over 8%

and that doesnt include the huge undocumented population there

Most people don't want part time minimum wage jobs, and L.A. county has 18.55 million people, 3.9 in L.A. proper. 1.4 million out of 18.55 million is pretty damn good given today's job market. Average rents in the basin are $2043. So it takes $11.07 an hour just to make the rent. In San Francisco, the average rents are $3000.00 a month, so that's $17.00 an hour. Now this is just - to - make - the - rent.

So, $15 bucks an hour pretty much hits the nail on the head don't it. Still need two incomes per family - on minimum wage to make it and never mind kids.

Point is, you contrarians really have no idea what you're talking about. As for business! Hey, if you're not selling ice cream in the desert, then that's you're problem.
 
Most people don't want part time minimum wage jobs, and L.A. county has 18.55 million people, 3.9 in L.A. proper. 1.4 million out of 18.55 million is pretty damn good given today's job market. Average rents in the basin are $2043. So it takes $11.07 an hour just to make the rent. In San Francisco, the average rents are $3000.00 a month, so that's $17.00 an hour. Now this is just - to - make - the - rent.

So, $15 bucks an hour pretty much hits the nail on the head don't it. Still need two incomes per family - on minimum wage to make it and never mind kids.

Point is, you contrarians really have no idea what you're talking about. As for business! Hey, if you're not selling ice cream in the desert, then that's you're problem.


no new upstarts means new businesses ready to open the doors

business people are leaving california, not coming there


Roy Farmer, 20, went door-to-door in Los Angeles with his bags of home-roasted coffee beans. By the 1930s, Farmer Brothers was selling coffee to restaurants throughout the nation. Today the company employs 1,200 men and women and generates $200 million in annual sales to restaurants, convenience stores, hospitals, hotels and universities.

But after surviving depressions, recessions, earthquakes and wars, Farmer Brothers is leaving California, finally driven out by high taxes and oppressive regulations.

The company says it’s fleeing in search of a place where business is appreciated. Relocating its corporate headquarters and distribution facilities from to a friendlier location, Farmer Brothers expects to save $15 million a year. Company executives are looking at Dallas and Oklahoma City. The relocation will bear real consequences for California. Nearly 350 workers will lose their well-paying jobs in Los Angeles alone.

Farmer Brothers is following Toyota, whose U.S. sales and marketing headquarters was barely a mile from the company’s main office, and has gone to Texas. Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems, eBay, Occidental Petroleum and firearms retailer RifleGear followed. Nissan bailed to Tennessee.

Most companies leaving California, reports the Orange County Register, usually depart to Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah or Florida. A study of business tax climates by the Tax Foundation finds that California’s businesses face the third-highest state and local business tax burdens in America. The Tax Foundation ranks Nevada third among the friendliest states for business, followed by Florida (fifth), Utah (ninth) and Texas (10th).

EDITORIAL: Businesses flee California's high taxes and regulations - Washington Times

might want to recheck companies leaving the land of the fruits
 
What is particularly saddening is to see a state whose success was achieved because it was a Mecca for the adventurous in spirit do everything possible to crush that spirit and drive away those who have it.

There is a silver lining here: clarity. Americans living elsewhere need not elect liberal Democrats to know what will happen if they do. They only need to look at California if they want to see what happens to a state governed by the left (and, for that matter, they can look at Texas to see what happens to a state's finances when governed by the right).

The left and its teachers unions have ruined public education in California. The left and its public service unions have saddled the state with $500 billion in unfunded pension liability. California's left-governed cities have set themselves up as "sanctuary cities" for those who have come into America illegally. And the left passes more and more rules governing the behavior of California citizens. Two examples: San Francisco just banned McDonald Happy Meals because they come with a toy and therefore entice children to eat fattening food; and the Democratic legislature has made it illegal for a California employer — even in a retail operation — to ask a male employee who comes to work wearing a dress to wear men's clothing while at work.

And to render the Titanic analogy even more accurate, Californians voted to retain a law that was described by George Will as one "that preposterously aims to cool the planet by requiring a 30 percent reduction of carbon emissions by 2020."

That law will ensure that California taxes energy use more than any other state. That, in turn, is guaranteed to increase unemployment and the cost of living in the state — one more reason businesses and productive individuals are leaving, but rarely moving, into California.

How Do California and the Titanic Differ? by Dennis Prager on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
 
no new upstarts means new businesses ready to open the doors

business people are leaving california, not coming there


Roy Farmer, 20, went door-to-door in Los Angeles with his bags of home-roasted coffee beans. By the 1930s, Farmer Brothers was selling coffee to restaurants throughout the nation. Today the company employs 1,200 men and women and generates $200 million in annual sales to restaurants, convenience stores, hospitals, hotels and universities.

But after surviving depressions, recessions, earthquakes and wars, Farmer Brothers is leaving California, finally driven out by high taxes and oppressive regulations.

The company says it’s fleeing in search of a place where business is appreciated. Relocating its corporate headquarters and distribution facilities from to a friendlier location, Farmer Brothers expects to save $15 million a year. Company executives are looking at Dallas and Oklahoma City. The relocation will bear real consequences for California. Nearly 350 workers will lose their well-paying jobs in Los Angeles alone.

Farmer Brothers is following Toyota, whose U.S. sales and marketing headquarters was barely a mile from the company’s main office, and has gone to Texas. Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems, eBay, Occidental Petroleum and firearms retailer RifleGear followed. Nissan bailed to Tennessee.

Most companies leaving California, reports the Orange County Register, usually depart to Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah or Florida. A study of business tax climates by the Tax Foundation finds that California’s businesses face the third-highest state and local business tax burdens in America. The Tax Foundation ranks Nevada third among the friendliest states for business, followed by Florida (fifth), Utah (ninth) and Texas (10th).

EDITORIAL: Businesses flee California's high taxes and regulations - Washington Times

might want to recheck companies leaving the land of the fruits

Might want to live around here in order to get a grip on what's really going on.
 
Might want to live around here in order to get a grip on what's really going on.

grew up in Vista

pop was stationed at pendleton

love certain things about the state....hate others

the paradise of weather, and beauty has been ruined by the politics of the state

i originally was going to retire there....no more

Either Sante Fe, or El Paso.....just havent decided which
 
Most people don't want part time minimum wage jobs, and L.A. county has 18.55 million people, 3.9 in L.A. proper. 1.4 million out of 18.55 million is pretty damn good given today's job market. Average rents in the basin are $2043. So it takes $11.07 an hour just to make the rent. In San Francisco, the average rents are $3000.00 a month, so that's $17.00 an hour. Now this is just - to - make - the - rent.

So, $15 bucks an hour pretty much hits the nail on the head don't it. Still need two incomes per family - on minimum wage to make it and never mind kids.

Point is, you contrarians really have no idea what you're talking about. As for business! Hey, if you're not selling ice cream in the desert, then that's you're problem.

No idea what we're talking about?

LA County has just a shade over 10 million, not 18.55 million.

Los Angeles County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Unemployment rates are not a reflection of the total population, as you have calculated with your 1.4 million figure from the bogus 18.55 million.

The average rent in the City of Los Angeles is indeed $2,043, as reported by Rent Jungle, but rents across the city vary across an extremely wide margin, which throws your calculations into the dumpster.

http://planning.lacity.org/MapGallery/Image/Citywide/CityBoundary.pdf

LA Boundry.JPG

Perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with the city boundary's, as well as some facts, before staking any intellectual high ground jet57.
 
Yeah, minimum wage and lack of unionization are the only things keeping people down in third world countries. Despotic governments play no role whatsoever. :roll:

Actually, if you go to such places, there's a lot whose governments are not despotic. Why? Look at many - perhaps most - third-world democracies. A despotic regime means that the government is very strong, that it doesn't have much difficulty enforcing what the despot wants.

But if you spent much time in third-world DEMOCRACIES, you'd find that most are not despotic, and that the governments are weak and and are thus unable to enforce laws that the corporations don't want to obey. In such places, the market truly reigns supreme...

...and if you're not willing to work for peanuts, you won't get a job at all.
 
You are perpetuating falsehoods. Although conservatives claimed that Obamacare forced more part-time jobs, it isn't true. In fact, there’s no evidence that the ACA is forcing a shift to part-time work, according to the Urban Institute and Robert Wood Johnson Foundation report.

Business Insider: The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked



As for your claim that "they [the government] could have simply paid for everyone to be insured, but again that is not the purpose." It was hard enough getting Obamacare passed conservatives. Single-payer just isn't in the cards.

You need to look away from the propaganda machine and go talk to real people. I know several store managers who had to do just that on orders from the corporate offices. We deal with 4 parts stores, it happened in all three of the national chain stores. The only full time employees left are managers, all other counter personnel and drivers are part time. In reading your link there are plenty of observations and assumptions, but no hard facts. I have watched three stores hire more part timers after cutting full timers back to 25 hours and have seen the managers have to figure out how to do it. I can tell you that none of the managers were happy about it. My company is too small to worry about it, but we did see our insurance rates go up by 38% over the past two years, which is something else the liberal apologists claim isn't happening. We understand that to lie is liberal, but you are not required to carry your party's water even when you know you have to lie to do it. It just makes you a liar too.
 
You come to this conclusion because raises for the lowest paid workers were rising fast before there was a MW? Employers would raise wages out of the goodness in their hearts? The minimum wage came about when owners arbitrarily CUT wages. To combat deflation, the government instituted the MW.

There is no evidence AT ALL that abolishing the minimum wage would make wages raise faster. That's just absurd and fantasy.

Ask Henry Ford about how that works out...min wage didnt even exist then. He made wages go up on his own, so he got the best workers.


Right now the average worker is MEANINGLESS and INCONSEQUENTIAL. You dont mean anything because you are easily replaceable. The employer has all the power when a min wage exists. You have a no skilled job...you automatically get min wage, there isnt even thought involved.

Now if employers had to compete for labor, guess what, wages are going to go up. Also thank feminism for making wages go down by doubling the work force. When women stayed at home to be mothers wages were higher too....smaller workforce...more competition for labor. Right now women are expected to have jobs outside the home...so guess what, each individual worker is worth even less.

And dont even get me started on immigration and amnesty....
 
Sam's Club = Half the sales of Costco, and fewer products on the shelf. No comparison. It takes for more people to stock 5 times the SKU's than it does at Costco. Consider the difference in the stores, and what's on the shelf.

It really shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

You're the one that brought up walmart. Sam's club is a part of walmart, and it is a wholesale club, which is what Costco is.


If you didn't like how they stacked up, why did you reference it?
 
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