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Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

What more do I need to read than you didn't want it to be the "taxpayer's{sic} problem". If you don't want that, you shouldn't want it handled in court.

False. I didn't want welfare to be the taxpayer's problem. I didn't mention anything of the courts.

And the courts would preside over issues like workers compensation. I never said they would preside over whether someone should receive welfare or not (which is what you are assuming?).
 
False. I didn't want welfare to be the taxpayer's problem. I didn't mention anything of the courts.

And the courts would preside over issues like workers compensation. I never said they would preside over whether someone should receive welfare or not (which is what you are assuming?).


No, I am saying that taxpayers' (note that, please) money funds the existence of the courts. You wanted the issue settled in the courts. I can quote you on that part too if you want, but I don't think it's really necessary.
 
False, the nazis did indeed help out some of the economically disadvantaged. The caveat was that they weren't one of what the nazis would deem "inferior" races.
GEE WHIZ, since the point was and still is that NAZI Germany did not support broad based social welfare for the entire German population, what point do you think you have scored?
 
Again, no deeper understanding is shown. It was a racist organization designed to support NAZI supporters of the lower classes, it was not a generalized social welfare program for all German citizens. You can keep playing this game of ignoring the broader NAZI views of removing undesired populations from German society while referencing racist NAZI programs, that is fine with me.


I advocate for the removal of welfare pertaining to any economic or racial class. Whether you're black or white doesn't matter. The nazis didn't share that view and handed welfare to specific classes. I believe handouts are inherently bad. The nazis didn't believe that. They believed that handouts to certain classes was inherently bad.

Keep trying to call me a nazi :lamo

It's amusing.
 
GEE WHIZ, since the point was and still is that NAZI Germany did not support broad based social welfare for the entire German population, what point do you think you have scored?

There would still be no standing in what your implying.

The overwhelming majority of Germans falled under "available for welfare" so whether they exclude a couple hundred thousand or so is meaningless. It would still be what you call "broad" welfare.

I don't believe in welfare.

You can do whatever you want to say that that is inherently fascist even though it isn't but that would mean nothing to me at this point.

The best you could argue for is perhaps that there isn't as much sympathy in there as you would like?

The truth is that the nazis gave some people welfare. I advocate for the abolition of welfare across all, whether it is corporate welfare or Section 8. The NAZIs would NOT agree with me on that.
 
Disability depends.

The only true grey area is what happens to people who are born with a disability. For that I have no answer.

How about a realistic scenario, My best friends sister is a nurse who has been struggling with MS. At some point She will no longer be able to work because of the debilitating effects of the disease. How about every day situations like that? My point is that the world is not black and white with one size fits all solutions.
 
I advocate for the removal of welfare pertaining to any economic or racial class. Whether you're black or white doesn't matter. The nazis didn't share that view and handed welfare to specific classes. I believe handouts are inherently bad. The nazis didn't believe that. They believed that handouts to certain classes was inherently bad.

Keep trying to call me a nazi :lamo

It's amusing.
Again, you can't represent my position accurately, I said :

If a poster wants to create an online personality that includes nativist, anti-liberal, randian/fascist argument while naming themselves after a commonly understood reference associated with fascist Germany, it is entirely his prerogative, but it is the height of absurdity for him to express surprise when a casual observer notices the goose stepping rhetoric combined with said moniker. If the poster wants to play innocent, they can, but they are not fooling many.

I did not call you a "NAZI", I said you hold to many right wing/authoritarian positions, which includes being anti-welfare with nativist POV. It is you that has staked out these positions, not me, your positions describe yourself. Being anti-welfare is a classic right-wing position, combine that with randian social Darwinist stances and you get even more right wing. How far you want to go is completely up to you, but again, it doesn't surprise me that it includes using "cool sounding" monikers.
 
The truth is that the nazis gave some people welfare. I advocate for the abolition of welfare across all, whether it is corporate welfare or Section 8. The NAZIs would NOT agree with me on that.
I'm perfectly willing to accept that you hold positions further to the right than the NAZI social programs designed for Aryan Germans.
 
How about a realistic scenario, My best friends sister is a nurse who has been struggling with MS. At some point She will no longer be able to work because of the debilitating effects of the disease. How about every day situations like that? My point is that the world is not black and white with one size fits all solutions.

Is she insured to take care of all the costs of any treatment? How old is she? Has she saved money? How does she live right now?

Of course nothing is black and white.
 
SS is not welfare. People pay into SS and get the money back when they retire.

Obviously the right-wingers who vote GOP are split on social security.
Those that need it want it.
Those who don't trash FDR--the cherry-picking party.

In today's House and Senate, GOPs have two or more sub parties in each.
They can't even agree with themselves to patches for a few months, which they promised they wouldn't do.

Let alone a common-sense long-term agreement on any cabinet budget.
Such as Tax overhaul--transportation--defense--infrastructure--energy--farm--you name it .
 
Is she insured to take care of all the costs of any treatment? How old is she? Has she saved money? How does she live right now?

Of course nothing is black and white.

38 and insured through her employer which covers as much treatment so that she still pays an extraordinary amount of money for treatment leaving nothing to save. She will eventually be incapacitated by the disease and will require around the clock treatment costing hundreds of thousands of dollars.
 
I'm perfectly willing to accept that you hold positions further to the right than the NAZI social programs designed for Aryan Germans.

I accept your concession and "hyper-partisanism" as facts of life.
 
38 and insured through her employer which covers as much treatment so that she still pays an extraordinary amount of money for treatment leaving nothing to save. She will eventually be incapacitated by the disease and will require around the clock treatment costing hundreds of thousands of dollars.

She has my condolences.
 
Why should she?

What makes her so special that now everyone is forced to pay for her procedures and such?
It is interesting to see you don't have empathy, so one wonders about the expression of condolences.


Lack of empathy is another indicator of right wing authoritarianism.
 
It is interesting to see you don't have empathy, so one wonders about the expression of condolences.


Lack of empathy is another indicator of right wing authoritarianism.

I do have empathy. I do have sympathy. I just don't have as much of those two as you would like (which is to the point of money from some being taken to pay for extensive treatments that really only serve to prolong suffering).
 
She has my condolences.

Have you ever gone hungry, more than a day?
Have you ever been poor?
Have you ever seen a family that did not have enough money to feed their kids, not well mind you but the very basics?
Do you know of any families that have difficulty feeding their family?
 
Have you ever gone hungry, more than a day?
Have you ever been poor?
Have you ever seen a family that did not have enough money to feed their kids, not well mind you but the very basics?
Do you know of any families that have difficulty feeding their family?

"do you know of any families that have difficulty feeding their family?"

My dad was in one of them. He's about as strictly anti-welfare as I am.

Have I been in such a situation? No. I've traveled the world and witnessed it though. My mind shan't change.
 
It is interesting to see you don't have empathy, so one wonders about the expression of condolences.


Lack of empathy is another indicator of right wing authoritarianism.

It's funny that you consider pointing at one person and demanding they give their money to someone else sympathetic and empathetic on your part lol.

"Necessity is the mother of invention"...ever hear that quote? When people are desperate, they find solutions don't they? If not, why don't they just die? Do you assume that people currently on welfare would've never found another way to eat?
 
It's funny that you consider pointing at one person and demanding they give their money to someone else sympathetic and empathetic on your part lol.
I demanded something? Weird.

"Necessity is the mother of invention"...ever hear that quote? When people are desperate, they find solutions don't they? If not, why don't they just die? Do you assume that people currently on welfare would've never found another way to eat?
Ok, the solution is.....dumpster diving, since the overwhelming number of those on social services are poor urban dwellers...mostly children and the elderly. cmon kids, give grandpa a boost into McD's dumpster....after you bust the lock.
 
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