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Asia boat migrants: UN despair over lack of rescues

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My faith in humanity has been diminished somewhat.

Asia boat migrants: UN despair over lack of rescues - BBC News

The UN has condemned the refusal of South-East Asian countries to rescue thousands of migrants adrift at sea. At least 700 Bangladeshis and Rohingya from Myanmar were rescued off Aceh last week by locals, bringing the numbers in camps there to at least 1,500. UNHCR spokeswoman Vivian Tan said the lack of rescues over the weekend was a "bad sign". Aid agencies say a grave humanitarian crisis is in train as countries in the region refuse to accept the migrants. People on the boats are believed to be severely malnourished. Survivors who have made it to shore say there have been deadly fights on board over food. Ms Tan warned that "time is running out" to help the migrants. "We were hoping that more ships would be found, and that more people would be rescued and allowed to come onto shore. Unfortunately, this didn't seem to have happened," she said.

The Indonesian authorities have told fishermen not to help the migrants - unless their boats are sinking or they are in the water. Military spokesperson Fuad Basya said fishermen could deliver food, fuel and water to the boats, or help with repairs, but that bringing them to shore would constitute an illegal entry into Indonesia. Some fishermen in Indonesia's Aceh province had told the BBC that they were not allowed to help migrants even if they were drowning. Thousands of people - mostly Rohingya Muslims fleeing persecution and poverty in Myanmar, but also Bangladeshis looking for work - are thought to be stranded out at sea.
 
My faith in humanity has been diminished somewhat.

Asia boat migrants: UN despair over lack of rescues - BBC News

The UN has condemned the refusal of South-East Asian countries to rescue thousands of migrants adrift at sea. At least 700 Bangladeshis and Rohingya from Myanmar were rescued off Aceh last week by locals, bringing the numbers in camps there to at least 1,500. UNHCR spokeswoman Vivian Tan said the lack of rescues over the weekend was a "bad sign". Aid agencies say a grave humanitarian crisis is in train as countries in the region refuse to accept the migrants. People on the boats are believed to be severely malnourished. Survivors who have made it to shore say there have been deadly fights on board over food. Ms Tan warned that "time is running out" to help the migrants. "We were hoping that more ships would be found, and that more people would be rescued and allowed to come onto shore. Unfortunately, this didn't seem to have happened," she said.

The Indonesian authorities have told fishermen not to help the migrants - unless their boats are sinking or they are in the water. Military spokesperson Fuad Basya said fishermen could deliver food, fuel and water to the boats, or help with repairs, but that bringing them to shore would constitute an illegal entry into Indonesia. Some fishermen in Indonesia's Aceh province had told the BBC that they were not allowed to help migrants even if they were drowning. Thousands of people - mostly Rohingya Muslims fleeing persecution and poverty in Myanmar, but also Bangladeshis looking for work - are thought to be stranded out at sea.

Over here in Europe the discussion is to use military means to stop the migrants in North Africa, where they are in danger of their lives. The argument goes that they would be even more in danger of losing life, if they were allowed to try to get here. So the people trying to help them escape war and starvation will be targeted from now on, if the EU gets its way.

So, you see, evil is everywhere. ;)
 
So, by default the receiving nations are forced to take these people on, pay their way, house them for years while their host countries refuse repatriation, all because these folks were stupid enough to climb aboard a boat of their own free will without the resources to get where they are going?
 
Over here in Europe the discussion is to use military means to stop the migrants in North Africa, where they are in danger of their lives. The argument goes that they would be even more in danger of losing life, if they were allowed to try to get here. So the people trying to help them escape war and starvation will be targeted from now on, if the EU gets its way.

So, you see, evil is everywhere. ;)

The evil there are the "people trying to help them escape war and starvation". Which is a funny way to describe those who are making bucks transporting people illegally to other countries that they know would not normally accept them.
 
The evil there are the "people trying to help them escape war and starvation". Which is a funny way to describe those who are making bucks transporting people illegally to other countries that they know would not normally accept them.

I had don some research on that and found that the migrants were very thankful towards those that try to help them flee from war, rape, murder and dictatorships, very much loíke they were 40 years ago, when someone hepled them get out of East Germany or China. Of course, they want out. It is better than watching your children or parents slaughtered or your wife raped.

But that is a very uncomfortable truth, if you don't want them here. So we tell it differently.
 
I had don some research on that and found that the migrants were very thankful towards those that try to help them flee from war, rape, murder and dictatorships, very much loíke they were 40 years ago, when someone hepled them get out of East Germany or China. Of course, they want out. It is better than watching your children or parents slaughtered or your wife raped.

But that is a very uncomfortable truth, if you don't want them here. So we tell it differently.

I'm sure they were thankful, just as I've sure what they are doing is wrong. You can argue they are doing it for the right reasons, but it doesn't change that what they are doing is invading another country because theirs is ****ed up. That should not be the responsibility of the country being invaded.
 
I'm sure they were thankful, just as I've sure what they are doing is wrong. You can argue they are doing it for the right reasons, but it doesn't change that what they are doing is invading another country because theirs is ****ed up. That should not be the responsibility of the country being invaded.

If you and your family were on the ****ty end of the stick as they are, you would be doing the same thing.
 
If you and your family were on the ****ty end of the stick as they are, you would be doing the same thing.

No, I wouldn't. Even if I choose to go with the brain dead option, it would still be wrong.
 
I'm sure they were thankful, just as I've sure what they are doing is wrong. You can argue they are doing it for the right reasons, but it doesn't change that what they are doing is invading another country because theirs is ****ed up. That should not be the responsibility of the country being invaded.

Let'em starve, be raped, killed, eh?

;)
 
No, I wouldn't. Even if I choose to go with the brain dead option, it would still be wrong.

You would rather let your family starve etc than break the law of a foreign land? You are a noble person!
 
I have to say, it's typical of the UN that they would fixate their "despair" on law abiding, responsible nations as opposed to the dictatorships and abusive nations these poor people are fleeing from.

Perhaps those comfy in their offices on United Nations Plaza in New York City, having their secretaries and assistants book their luncheon reservations at fashionable NYC restaurants and limousine service, might think about using some of the $100s of millions, if not $billions, they waste on their own pleasures to support nations willing to take in these poor people.
 
Let'em starve, be raped, killed, eh?

;)

Silly answer. So, you support going into those countries with full military and setting them straight do you? What's the hold up? Do you want to let' em starve, be raped, killed, eh?
 
You would rather let your family starve etc than break the law of a foreign land? You are a noble person!

Between one and the other are an entire boatload of options you ignore in your haste to blast others for the "lack of humanity".
 
I have advocated putting the military at our own southern border. I think other nations should do what they can to protect their own citizens from the threat presented by illegal immigrants.
 
Silly answer. So, you support going into those countries with full military and setting them straight do you? What's the hold up? Do you want to let' em starve, be raped, killed, eh?

Syria certainly could and should have been prevented. And yes we must sort out a new system to guarantee security for populations.
 
Between one and the other are an entire boatload of options you ignore in your haste to blast others for the "lack of humanity".

Blast?
 
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