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Texas: 9 Dead Bikers in Gun Shootout at Twin Peaks restaurant[W:33]

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I'm surprised this happened.

Biker violence used to be pretty popular years ago.

The Federal government used to spend allot of resources infiltrating their operations.

My guess is that THIS Federal government is using their resources on other things which allowed this to get out of hand.

Somehow I don't think the Federal government has a lot of clout in Texas. But the local government was well aware of the meeting days in advance.

Interesting how one restaurant can put an entire community in jeopardy. This entire ordeal might've been avoided if the restaurant had cooperated with the local police.
 
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I'm surprised this happened.

My guess is that THIS Federal government is using their resources on other things which allowed this to get out of hand.

Even THIS is Obama's fault? lol

You people with ODS are so predictable, and pitiful.

How about pointing a finger at the people who believe everyone, including 3 year olds should be armed to the teeth. Welcome to the wild wild west.
 
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BTW where is the outrage from the conservatives about this. If this was Baltimore or Detroit the cons would be foaming at the mouth mad.

Police threatened after biker gang shootout kills 9 in Waco, Texas

170 arrested after rival biker gangs get into shootout at a Waco, Texas, restaurant Sunday leaves 9 dead.
Police were on alert Monday for any retaliatory attacks after a chaotic shootout between rival biker gangs left nine people dead and at least 18 more wounded outside a Texas restaurant.

'I was amazed that we didn't have innocent civilians killed or injured,' Waco police official says of shootout
Police were on alert Monday for any retaliatory attacks after a chaotic shootout between rival biker gangs left nine people dead and at least 18 more wounded outside a Texas restaurant.

Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said authorities had received threats against law enforcement "throughout the night" from biker groups and stood ready to confront any more violence resulting from Sunday's gunfire.

"We have a contingency plan to deal with those individuals if they try to cause trouble here," Swanton said at a news conference.

Police threatened after biker gang shootout kills 9 in Waco, Texas - Chicago Tribune
 
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Dude i would take any state in the union BUT TEXAS, it's a dust bowl full of Rednecks, Tornado's REMEMBER LAST WEEK?? it's a right to work state , rated 30! on states with the LOWEST median incomes, ( Michigan is 32) NOT TO MENTION ROUGHLY 33% of the population lack health insurance!!!

And with every psychopath in the state packing, **** like this will get more common...

Ill be going back to Seattle when i finish out my contract here in Michigan..

Enjoy Seattle. That's a good place for you.
 
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Fight started in the mens room. LOLOLOLOL
 
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Five clubs, all packing heat, having a summit in the middle of nowhere, meeting to hash-out their conflicts.

"What could possibly go wrong"?

It was at knock-off hooters though, surely they'd be too distracted to try to kill each other...
 
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It was at knock-off hooters though, surely they'd be too distracted to try to kill each other...


It's a "breastaurant".... Twin Peaks, (wink wink) get it....Twin Peaks? yuk yuk yuk
 
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It's a "breastaurant".... Twin Peaks, (wink wink) get it....Twin Peaks? yuk yuk yuk

Is it the twin peaks....or is it the deep valley?


Deep thoughts huh- right along the lines of: What is the sound of a tree falling in an unihabited forest?

I am a poet, and I did not even know it.
 
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Is it the twin peaks....or is it the deep valley?


Deep thoughts huh- right along the lines of: What is the sound of a tree falling in an unihabited forest?

I am a poet, and I did not even know it.

It's called the "Twin Peaks" but maybe they should rename it "Wieners in the Pokey?"
 
Ironically, most "outlaw" bikers today are not life long criminal- most do not have criminal histories outside of public intoxication or disorderly conduct type offenses and bikers holding high skill blue collar jobs is not unusual. The one man I know who is in a uhhmm... "club" is an aircraft mechanic for his day job. Basically, most of the initial generations of total criminal outlaws are either dead (shoot outs, crashes and hard living) or serving decades in prison. That does not mean that the current generation of bikers is warm and fuzzy, just that statistically most are not career criminals.



I am guessing mundane rather than criminal as most of these guys are not criminals in the true sense of the word (of course not being a criminal does automatically mean one is a "role model").

As a side note, I have read that one of the clubs / gangs has been beefing up their numbers by recruiting from inner city gangsters. Unlike the older membership who have a sense of self control, these new recruits may well have brought a mentality that turned fist fights into what... fire fights?



That's all great and all but there's that old dilemma of "Good guys don't hang out with bad guys" issue with bikers. Most of them hang around enough individuals that are involved in drug dealing or other crime that when bikers are shot I don't think anybody is worried whether it was the "Less bad bikers or the bad ones" that were killed. In my and many other general publics view you're no better if you affiliate with drug dealers and the like.
 
My understanding is that this was a planned Coalition event but a few participants changed their rocker from their county name to "TEXAS". I don't know if that's actually the case or what club it was (I could guess) but stuff like that is bound to cause trouble.
 
My understanding is that this was a planned Coalition event but a few participants changed their rocker from their county name to "TEXAS". I don't know if that's actually the case or what club it was (I could guess) but stuff like that is bound to cause trouble.

Evidently, members of the The Bandidos club / gang (Texas founded and very well established in the state) grew irate when they learned that the upstart Cossacks had added 'Texas' to their uhmm..... "attire".

As a side note, an article here in the Dallas alternative newspaper a few years ago reported that the Bandidos, despite their improved image (at the time) had warned other groups that about violence if they displayed a 'Texas' rocker. This threat was reinforced when they brawled with a Hells Angels group over Texas rockers. This threat then led to some Dallas area clubs, one named the Dirty Bastards, not to present themselves as state wide orgainizations.
 
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That's all great and all but there's that old dilemma of "Good guys don't hang out with bad guys" issue with bikers. Most of them hang around enough individuals that are involved in drug dealing or other crime that when bikers are shot I don't think anybody is worried whether it was the "Less bad bikers or the bad ones" that were killed. In my and many other general publics view you're no better if you affiliate with drug dealers and the like.

Well said.

And what happened in Waco illustrates your point. It was not a case of just one or two "bad apple" individuals bringing weapons and then "going crazy". Rather, most of the bikers there brought weapons and were expecting to fight.
 
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I'm surprised this happened.

Biker violence used to be pretty popular years ago.

The Federal government used to spend allot of resources infiltrating their operations.

My guess is that THIS Federal government is using their resources on other things which allowed this to get out of hand.

Thanks Obama!
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/u...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Up to 170 Face Murder-Related Charges in Biker Melee

Scene of the Shootout
A shootout among rival motorcycle gangs on Sunday killed at least nine bikers and wounded 18 others.


Police officers detained groups of bikers after the shooting and said that up to 170 people were charged on Monday with engaging in organized crime linked to capital murder.
The fight spilled into the parking lot, escalating from fists to chains, knives, clubs and firearms.
Position of bodies seen in photographs
The battle between rival biker gangs apparently started in the bathroom of the Twin Peaks restaurant, officials said.
Composite image by The New York Times
 
Re: Texas: 9 Dead Bikers in Gun Shootout at Twin Peaks restaurant

I'm surprised this happened.

Biker violence used to be pretty popular years ago.

The Federal government used to spend allot of resources infiltrating their operations.

My guess is that THIS Federal government is using their resources on other things which allowed this to get out of hand.

... This happened in Texas... your state.... where retarded people are executed... where people pretend that Texas is still its own country... where people run out to bitch about states rights when the gays want to get married... where there is sizeable percentage of the population who thinks that the civil war was about state rights (to own slaves)... and you figured out a way to blame the federal government and by extension Obama. Good grief, your political beliefs are becoming a charicature of themselves. I'm guessing you couldn't bring yourself to call this another one of Texas' law enforcement failures? :lol:
 
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It's a "breastaurant".... Twin Peaks, (wink wink) get it....Twin Peaks? yuk yuk yuk

What bothers me is every week or so I search for updates on the suppose it rebooted the TV show Twin Peaks, and the website for the restaurant is at the top of the Google search
 
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My guess is that most of those currenntly detained will be quietely accept various plea bargains to far lesser charges. They are being charged with Engaging in Criminal activity in relation to Capital Murder.

Engaging in orgainzed crime could be very difficult charge to prove as the groups in question are not criminal orgainizations per se, but rather have some (or many members) involved in crimimal activity as individuals. Likewise, even the capital murder component may be difficult to prove. Undoubtably, most of the bikers will claim self defense, or even claim SYG.

At face value, their SYG claims could well be valid, if they can convince a jury that wearing gang colors does not constitute a "provocation" (provocations are forbidden under Texas SYG):
- right to be in the area
- no obligation to retreat
- responded to a deadly threat with deadly force.
- too hard to prove who did what to whom first.

My bet is that they can show that wearing gang colors was not a provocation, as many of the bikers were invited to the event and it was understood by the orgainizers that they would show up with full "regalia".
 
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Actually I think it was supposed to be some sort of "peace summit" or negotiation about drug trade, and things went south unexpectedly.


nothing unexpected about it at all, anyone wearing a rocker in Texas has seen it coming for quite a while, though not in such a dramatic fashion....
lil battles have been springing up quite a bit... this is just the first to get wide coverage.
the Feds knew it was brewing, and they've informed the police statewide that a "war" was in the air.

Cossacks (Angel affiliates) have been breaking the rules for quite some time....this was "judgement day", little else.
 
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where there is sizeable percentage of the population who thinks that the civil war was about state rights (to own slaves)...

Seeing that the union allowed slavery in Maryland, West Virginia, Missouri, Kentucky and Delaware and that the Emancipation Proclamation forgot to free:

- slaves in union states
- slaves owned by pro union indian factions
- slaves owned by union officers
- slaves owned anywhere by anybody willing to take a pro union loyalty oath
-slaves in Washington DC

there are indications that the "right" to own slaves was also embraced by most in the north- so long as the slaves in question were owned by the right kind of people (union loyalists).
 
Re: Texas: 9 Dead Bikers in Gun Shootout at Twin Peaks restaurant

... This happened in Texas... your state.... where retarded people are executed... where people pretend that Texas is still its own country... where people run out to bitch about states rights when the gays want to get married... where there is sizeable percentage of the population who thinks that the civil war was about state rights (to own slaves)... and you figured out a way to blame the federal government and by extension Obama. Good grief, your political beliefs are becoming a charicature of themselves. I'm guessing you couldn't bring yourself to call this another one of Texas' law enforcement failures? :lol:

these sorts of battles happen all over the united states... though this one is sizable and dramatic enough to find wide media coverage.

you usually don't hear about the 1 or 2 outlaw bikers found dead here and there.... but they are all part of the same war.
 
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Bail was kinda of low was it not?
 
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In Dallas they just had mugshots on the news
 
Evidently, members of the The Bandidos club / gang (Texas founded and very well established in the state) grew irate when they learned that the upstart Cossacks had added 'Texas' to their uhmm..... "attire".

As a side note, an article here in the Dallas alternative newspaper a few years ago reported that the Bandidos, despite their improved image (at the time) had warned other groups that about violence if they displayed a 'Texas' rocker. This threat was reinforced when they brawled with a Hells Angels group over Texas rockers. This threat then led to some Dallas area clubs, one named the Dirty Bastards, not to present themselves as state wide orgainizations.

The Bandidos were fearsome even back in the '70's.
 
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