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Harvard accused of bias against Asian-Americans

ThePlayDrive said:
I feel good about supporting affirmative action and I'm glad I'm intelligent enough to not buy into the myth that it's racism. I think it's a shame that so many people hide their racism under the guise of supporting so-called "race-blind" college admissions (which are, in actuality, racist towards people of color). I'm glad I finally saw through that sham.
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Well, since you clearly oppose selection based on non-racial grounds you are a clear defender of racism in iTS most pure form.
 
LeoVlaming said:
Well, since you clearly oppose selection based on non-racial grounds you are a clear defender of racism in iTS most pure form.
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I'm sure you sincerely believe what you just wrote. It's unfortunate that you believe so sincerely in something that is so laughably untrue.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I'm sure you sincerely believe what you just wrote. It's unfortunate that you believe so sincerely in something that is so laughably untrue.
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I don't think it's untrue in the least. I've read your posts here, and you've made very clear that you favor discriminating by race in college admissions. You may sincerely believe that discriminating by race is not racism, but unfortunately most people will not make such a nice distinction between the two.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I'm sure you sincerely believe what you just wrote. It's unfortunate that you believe so sincerely in something that is so laughably untrue.
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You are the one who argues that the daughters of Obama should be considered As underpriviliged by a university while the daughters of a white couple living on minimum wage should be considered overpriviliged. You are simply deeply racist.
 
LeoVlaming said:
You are the one who argues that the daughters of Obama should be considered As underpriviliged by a university while the daughters of a white couple living on minimum wage should be considered overpriviliged. You are simply deeply racist.
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AA has absolutely no effect on Obama's daughters getting into college.
 
matchlight said:
I don't think it's untrue in the least. I've read your posts here, and you've made very clear that you favor discriminating by race in college admissions. You may sincerely believe that discriminating by race is not racism, but unfortunately most people will not make such a nice distinction between the two.
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I'm not worried about "most people". I'm concerned with the truth. The truth is that I support affirmative action which is not, as sincerely as many people believe otherwise, a racist policy. I understand that, on DP, I am posting among ignorant people who have no idea what they're talking about, but that doesn't bother me.
 
Deuce said:
AA has absolutely no effect on Obama's daughters getting into college.
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According to the poster I was reacting to it should because they should be considered underpriviliged purely on the basis of race.
 
LeoVlaming said:
You are the one who argues that the daughters of Obama should be considered As underpriviliged by a university while the daughters of a white couple living on minimum wage should be considered overpriviliged. You are simply deeply racist.
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Nobody said anything about the Obamas. I know that you're trying to use deductive reasoning to draw a conclusion about how my argument would affect Sasha and Malia Obama, but I suggest that you stop because you've failed.
 
LeoVlaming said:
According to the poster I was reacting to it should because they should be considered underpriviliged purely on the basis of race.
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Obama's daughters are...

1)Children of a politician

2)Children of an Ivy Graduate.


If you knew anything about Elite college admissions you'd know that those two factors each have a much greater chance of them being accepted into an elite school than their race. However since you're a conservative race-baiter you're ignoring these factors. You're a typical conservative.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I'm not worried about "most people". I'm concerned with the truth. The truth is that I support affirmative action which is not, as sincerely as many people believe otherwise, a racist policy. I understand that, on DP, I am posting among ignorant people who have no idea what they're talking about, but that doesn't bother me.
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Affirmative action is by its very nature a racially discriminatory policy. It was to hide that ugly truth that the euphemistic term was concocted. No amount of asserting that this purposeful discrimination by race is not racism proves your assertion is true--it is only your opinion. But I am always glad to see people who support race discrimination expose their prejudice for all to see.
 
reinoe said:
Obama's daughters are...

1)Children of a politician

2)Children of an Ivy Graduate.


If you knew anything about Elite college admissions you'd know that those two factors each have a much greater chance of them being accepted into an elite school than their race. However since you're a conservative race-baiter you're ignoring these factors. You're a typical conservative.
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If your arguments were better, you would not need to use personal insults against other posters as a crutch to prop them up.

I take it you know something about the admissions policies of elite colleges. Do you think the elite colleges Mr. Obama and his wife attended admitted them solely on merit? If so, I wonder why Mr. Obama has never made the transcripts of his grades public.

The parts of Mrs. Obama's senior thesis at Princeton that I have read online suggest strongly that she could not have been admitted to that law school on merit alone. It is such sophomoric, cliche drivel that a smart, self-respecting high school junior would be embarrassed to have cranked it out.
 
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matchlight said:
Affirmative action is by its very nature a racially discriminatory policy. It was to hide that ugly truth that the euphemistic term was concocted. No amount of asserting that this purposeful discrimination by race is not racism proves your assertion is true--it is only your opinion. But I am always glad to see people who support race discrimination expose their prejudice for all to see.
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I've already responded to you and now you're just repeating yourself. Do you have something new to say or are you just going to continue repeating your false narrative and laughable accusations?
 
digsbe said:
Welcome to higher education in the US. Whites and Asians are at a disadvantage, all other minorities usually have lower standards, have a positive factor due to their race when weighing admission decisions and oftentimes get free money in the form of race-based scholarships.

It's absolutely racial discrimination, but this isn't anything new. It's not just Harvard, it's pretty much anywhere.
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Actually they aren't. Tavis Smiley did a great interview with Jennifer Lee about how AA is being used to drive a wedge between blacks and Asians.

Sociologist Jennifer Lee | Interviews | Tavis Smiley | PBS
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Actually they aren't. Tavis Smiley did a great interview with Jennifer Lee about how AA is being used to drive a wedge between blacks and Asians.

Sociologist Jennifer Lee | Interviews | Tavis Smiley | PBS
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Also, most college don't even consider race in a factor regarding admissions.

The National Association for College Admission Counseling states that there are no racial quotas and that the number of schools that consider race when students are applying are in the minority.

http://www.nacacnet.org/issues-advocacy/policy/Documents/diversity_mythvsfact.pdf
 
clownboy said:
There are white kids living in the same neighborhoods, going to the same schools, same home conditions, same treatment by the police. Can we just ****can the excuses?
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Not until the blame is actually put where it belongs. Ever notice that when these subjects come up here, it is always someone else's fault for the conditions that blacks face? When was the last time any of the so called black leaders said "it's our fault, lets clean up our act"? How many times have you seen black leaders say "lets change how we handle the situation"? Instead of "look how no one helps us"?

"Let not the son be put to death for the inequities of the father. Nor the father be put to death for the inequities of the son. But each to their own inequities." It is past time for blacks to take responsibility for their own sins instead of blaming everyone else.
 
matchlight said:
If your arguments were better, you would not need to use personal insults against other posters as a crutch to prop them up.

I take it you know something about the admissions policies of elite colleges. Do you think the elite colleges Mr. Obama and his wife attended admitted them solely on merit? If so, I wonder why Mr. Obama has never made the transcripts of his grades public.

The parts of Mrs. Obama's senior thesis at Princeton that I have read online suggest strongly that she could not have been admitted to that law school on merit alone. It is such sophomoric, cliche drivel that a smart, self-respecting high school junior would be embarrassed to have cranked it out.
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If you cared about college transcripts then I take it that you would demand them from every other president in American History in addition to every VP and loser of the presidential elections as well. However since you only demand them from Black presidents may I deduce that you also post on stormfront and neo-nazi websites where your views are more accepted? And yes, it's likely both Michelle and Barack got accepted purely on merit.

You don't seem to dispute or have a problem with Obama graduating top of his class for example. Are you implying that Harvard University working in conjuction with every one of his professors engaged in a conspiracy to change his grades and none of his classmates or administrators had a problem with this taking place?

The whole "I demand his transcripts" is just an evolution of the "I demand his birth certificate" movement that was discrediting the entire GOP's already dim reputation.
 
reinoe said:
If you cared about college transcripts then I take it that you would demand them from every other president in American History in addition to every VP and loser of the presidential elections as well. However since you only demand them from Black presidents may I deduce that you also post on stormfront and neo-nazi websites where your views are more accepted? And yes, it's likely both Michelle and Barack got accepted purely on merit.

You don't seem to dispute or have a problem with Obama graduating top of his class for example. Are you implying that Harvard University working in conjuction with every one of his professors engaged in a conspiracy to change his grades and none of his classmates or administrators had a problem with this taking place?

The whole "I demand his transcripts" is just an evolution of the "I demand his birth certificate" movement that was discrediting the entire GOP's already dim reputation.
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Not really.

I'd really like to see Obama's Occidental transcript and find extremely peculiar that transcript's being under lock-and-key.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Except for the fact that American colleges with legacy policies have historically excluded black people from admission thus ensuring that their legacy policies benefit white applicants.
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Only that legacy policies are no longer the issue and the current affirmative action policies addressed in the OP have nothing to do with it, they solely exist to give some racial minorities a bigger chance to get accepted over other racial groups. Unlike in your scenario, racial minorities are no longer discriminated against by current higher-education policies, and even when they were being discriminated against the solution should have been to cancel these policies and not to install new policies that do the same thing only the other way around.

That you are able to convince yourself in the righteousness of your position, which supports racial discrimination pure and simple, should be worrying. But as you said yourself, you do not seem to care much, so so be it.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
And a rich black person from Malibu has probably faced more obstacles than a rich white person from Malibu. Fortunately for the former, race is taken in account. Fortunately for the poor white person in your example, economics is taken into account.
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So why is that rich black person deserving of the same level of assistance offered to someone who's born poor and black?
 
spud_meister said:
So why is that rich black person deserving of the same level of assistance offered to someone who's born poor and black?
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They don't get the same level of assistance. Are there any other ignorant comments you'd like to share?
 
spud_meister said:
So why is that rich black person deserving of the same level of assistance offered to someone who's born poor and black?
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They aren't. The rich black person's race is considered. The poor black person's race and economic background is considered.
 
Apocalypse said:
Only that legacy policies are no longer the issue and the current affirmative action policies addressed in the OP have nothing to do with it.
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Actually, affirmative action is about countering other admissions policies that benefit white people unequally, including legacy policies, so the policies discussed in the OP have everything to do with that. If you don't understand this, then that explains why you are so committed to your misinformed position on affirmative action - you truly have no idea what you're talking about. I almost stopped responding to you because your comments were so absurd, but now I'm glad I continued because I understand the root of the absurdity.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
They're not going to win. The Supreme Court has already ruled that race can be used in the admissions process as it should be.
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Where does the constitution give the SC authority to rewrite the constitution? If you want to change the constitution, you have to go thru the amending process. THINK
 
ThePlayDrive said:
It's telling to me that the most complained about admissions policy is the one that helps black people. Legacy admissions, donor admissions and other admissions based on factors other than merit which primarily benefit upper class white people are rarely challenged and never with the same intensity. People don't have a problem with non-merit-based admissions policies. They don't have a problem with policies that benefit certain races over others. They have a problem with black people.
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Legacy admissions are NOT based on race and are NOT mandated by the govt. That's the huge difference.

And BTW - blacks are free to buy their way into college too. They choose not to. Instead they demand the govt give them a place in college they have neither earned nor paid for.
 
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