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U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

Simpleχity;1064630345 said:
Which is precisely what you do in regards to Russian violations of international law regarding Ukraine.

You can't have it both ways and as promised, I'll point out your hypocrisy on this whenever I see it.
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Both nations have and are violating international law. There's no hypocrisy there. Can you acknowledge the US's violations to international law?

We're talking about Syria in this thread, but if you insist on bringing Ukraine in, I've repeatedly stated that I'm with the opinion of many that the Ukrainian crisis is Western made, and has prompted expected responses by Russia, some of which may violate international law, but certainly not all that they are doing.
 
all this is fine and dandy..But with the Fall of Ramadi it's just a side show.

Sunni Tribes have no-where to go in Iraq. They have to be wary of the Shiite militias, as well as the Iraqi (Shiite) Army.

The Awakening did work because of US security guarantees -they are gone now.
The Syrian leadership killing is good in the abstract, but as long as ISIL hold Anbar, no real pressure can be put on Mosul.
That as well as the Regimes (Assad) near-collapse in Syria and the continual turmoil also favors ISIL..

As long as Iraq ( Baghdad) is fraught with sectarianism at the government, and army level, the Sunni Tribes ( non-combatants)
have no-where to go in Iraq, and as much as they hate ISIL, at least ISIL are Sunni, and won't openly slaughter them ..

Keep it all in context, it's (Syrian leadership killing) big but not a huge deal
 
Montecresto said:
Syria's sovereign borders have not changed since the civil war has begun.
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According to the Islamic State it has, and so has Iraq's.


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What did Ban ki Moon release about the Islamic State, again?
 
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Montecresto said:
Most certainly do. They led the charge in the destruction of Libya, too!
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That was Obama/Rice/Powers/Clinton.
But if we wanna call them "neocons" you'll get no argument from me on Libya.

We created a terrorist state..*whoops*..ISIL has an Affiliate there now, and the country is ungovernable
 
MMC said:
According to the Islamic State it has, and so has Iraq's.


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What did Ban ki Moon release about the Islamic State, again?
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So. That's not acknowledged by anybody but themselves.
 
Montecresto said:
So. That's not acknowledged by anybody but themselves.
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Well they are holding that ground, are they not? Isnt Raqqa now their Capital?

So far Iraq has made little ground in taking back what is theirs. Assad lost another Military base a couple weeks ago. He is on the verge of collapse.
 
MMC said:
Well they are holding that ground, are they not? Isnt Raqqa now their Capital?

So far Iraq has made little ground in taking back what is theirs. Assad lost another Military base a couple weeks ago. He is on the verge of collapse.
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Yes, I understand all that. But Syria's sovereign borders are not disputed by the international community.
 
Montecresto said:
Awesome bud, thanks so much for that link. I tried to register their with you as the referrer, and it said that was invalid. I can't complete registration!
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just register on your own.. It's a sandbox with no moderation, but I stay there because there are some really smart people too..

kind of the Yin to this place's Yang..lol
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, I understand all that. But Syria's sovereign borders are not disputed by the international community.
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Well I don't think they want to have to think about it yet.....you know how the International Community is bit slow on the take. Uhm, that's with knowledge. Not Bribes. :lol:
 
MMC said:
Well they are holding that ground, are they not? Isnt Raqqa now their Capital?

So far Iraq has made little ground in taking back what is theirs. Assad lost another Military base a couple weeks ago. He is on the verge of collapse.
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Looks that way..although he's been on the ropes before.. If/when that happens Damascus is going to be a bloodbath
 
annata said:
all this is fine and dandy..But with the Fall of Ramadi it's just a side show.

Sunni Tribes have no-where to go in Iraq. They have to be wary of the Shiite militias, as well as the Iraqi (Shiite) Army.

The Awakening did work because of US security guarantees -they are gone now.
The Syrian leadership killing is good in the abstract, but as long as ISIL hold Anbar, no real pressure can be put on Mosul.
That as well as the Regimes (Assad) near-collapse in Syria and the continual turmoil also favors ISIL..

As long as Iraq ( Baghdad) is fraught with sectarianism at the government, and army level, the Sunni Tribes ( non-combatants)
have no-where to go in Iraq, and as much as they hate ISIL, at least ISIL are Sunni, and won't openly slaughter them ..

Keep it all in context, it's (Syrian leadership killing) big but not a huge deal
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Yep, they took Ramadi.


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Montecresto said:
Actually, I'm not the only one pointing out "mission creep" concerns.
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So? There are plenty of 9/11 conspiracy theorists. That does not mean that each individual theorist is not also off his or her rocker.
 
cpwill said:
So? There are plenty of 9/11 conspiracy theorists. That does not mean that each individual theorist is not also off his or her rocker.
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And what does that have to do with congressional concerns about mission creep in Syria, exactly.
 
Montecresto said:
And what does that have to do with congressional concerns about mission creep in Syria, exactly.
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It is an analogy. Congresscritters can also completely fail to know what they are talking about, or find it advantageous to misrepresent what they are talking about. ;)
 
cpwill said:
It is an analogy. Congresscritters can also completely fail to know what they are talking about, or find it advantageous to misrepresent what they are talking about. ;)
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Oh boy!

Schiff has become an influential voice for his party in the House of Representatives on foreign policy and national security issues.[1] He serves as Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He is currently on leave from the House Appropriations Committee which he joined in 2007. He previously served on the United States House Foreign Affairs Committee, and serves on the State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Appropriations Committee.
 
"Boots on the ground" in the contemporary colloquial sense implies a permanence or a semi-permanence. This "snatch and grab" raid is neither.
 
Simpleχity;1064632784 said:
"Boots on the ground" in the contemporary colloquial sense implies a permanence or a semi-permanence. This "snatch and grab" raid is neither.
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True.
 
The point is "mission creep". It starts somewhere is the point that the ranking senator of HPSC on intelligence was making in his argument that is dismissed by all, who didn't even listen to it.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh boy!

Schiff has become an influential voice for his party in the House of Representatives on foreign policy and national security issues.[1] He serves as Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He is currently on leave from the House Appropriations Committee which he joined in 2007. He previously served on the United States House Foreign Affairs Committee, and serves on the State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Appropriations Committee.
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Schiff is just one voice.....like Rand Paul, huh? :lol:




Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, says "hats off" to the U.S. Special Forces who killed an ISIS leader and captured his wife during a daring raid inside Syria on Friday. He called the raid a "striking and risky success." "And I think before we see or embark on a lot more of these kinds of operations, we have to weigh the risk of escalation," Schiff told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday.

Schiff said there are two reasons to conduct such a risky raid in ISIS-controlled territory: "Either you can't launch a military strike from aircraft because of the risk of civilian casualties, or you think the intelligence value of what you are going to gain is sufficient to merit that kind of risk. "Now, obviously, we had very good intelligence here. You can't do an operation like this without knowing that your target is there, what kind of security they have, what the premises looks like, and enough to know you have a backup plan if things go wrong. So, our intelligence was good. "But, nonetheless, this was an extraordinary risk. If one of our people were captured, if we lost some of our special forces, there would be tough questions to answer about whether it was worth it. "And I think not withstanding the success of this operation, we still are going to have to ask those questions. Was the intelligence value that we hoped to gain and the fact that we are gaining worth this kind of risk?"

Asked if the intelligence yield justified the risk in this case, Schiff said he didn't want to understate the significance of disrupting the Islamic State organization and possibly impacting their finances by killing the group's top money man. "Do you see this as boots on the ground?" host Brianna Keilar asked Schiff. "Well, there certainly are American boots on the ground," Schiff responded. "I don't see this as the same kind of a massive occupation or the beginning of that, like we had in Afghanistan or have had in Iraq in the past as well, but the risks go up the more you conduct these kinds of operations, the more you see the potential of being pulled in. And the problem with being pulled into this messy civil war, this awful civil war in Syria is that then you take ownership.....snip~

Democrat Adam Schiff: 'We Have to Weigh the Risk of Escalation'
 
Montecresto said:
The point is "mission creep". It starts somewhere is the point that the ranking senator of HPSC on intelligence was making in his argument that is dismissed by all, who didn't even listen to it.
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Heya Monte. Notice how Schiff doesn't consider this mission creep.



After Syria Raid, FBI Interrogates ISIS Wife and Yazidi Slave.....

It will take at least a week if not more to dig through the computers and other technical material seized in the raid at the lightly defended ISIS compound in Al Amr, in eastern Syria, U.S. officials said Sunday. The detainees taken from the raid—the target’s wife and a Yazidi slave—are being questioned by an elite FBI-led interagency team.

Both are being interrogated in Iraq by the FBI’s High-Value Detainee Interrogation Team, according to House Intelligence Committee ranking member Adam Schiff, D-Calif., and a senior administration official who spoke anonymously because he was not authorized to speak publicly. She may have had a possible “operational role,” he added. “If the wife played a role in organization, she’ll be subject to prosecution by us or by Iraqi authorities,” he said.

“But it demonstrates that our intelligence is getting better and better in Syria,” he added. “We couldn’t have done this a year ago.”.....snip~

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...fbi-questions-isis-wife-and-yazidi-slave.html
 
Is a "Snatch and Grab" raid that kills the target a success?
 
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