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Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

Well that's the whole point, easy to kick the can down the road because we personally won't be effected, but if those intentions aren't begun, their certainly never finished.

Who could ever have concieved of something like nuclear power generation a hundred years ago ? Mans ingenuity is boundless but current renewables technology is a dead end and a waste of further investment capital in my view
 
You don't even have to be intellectual. A trade school can give you a rather solid skill that can get you to middle class so long as you're willing to get your hands a little dirty.

exactly. there are plenty of opportunities in skilled trade area's where one can easily get into the middle class. however that requires work and a bit of effort instead of being handed to you on a silver platter and well people want the silver platter.
 
We could shrink our military to a fourth of its size and still have an incredibly powerful military. Right wing paranoia and the greed of billionaires is the only reason our military is so bloated.

you evidently don't remember history to well. Clinton gutted the military as well and it took way more money to get it back into fighting shape than if he had just left it alone.

Uh, common sense? If we spent less ridiculous amounts of tax money where we didn't need to we wouldn't need as much to sustain our nation.
I didn't ask for your opinion I asked for proof and evidence they are totally separate things.


A bag boy should make a living wage because he lives and works in the United States where there is more than enough wealth and resources to go around.
I asked you to 1 define a living wage with a hard number you have yet to do that.
2. you have to be able to justify paying a bag boy that much money.

him living and working is not enough of a justification.


Situations like this are why I think small businesses should pay no taxes and giant corporations should pay more. The amount of money the small businesses would save on taxes would be enough to offset what they lose from increased wages. It would also make them more competitive against the multinational corporations that can go to Asia and get labor for pennies a day.

again proof or evidence. the fact is that there are some businesses that cannot support a living wage whatever that is since you have defined what it is.


Most poor people work their asses off. That's something people like you will never understand or admit. Some people aren't smart enough or other circumstances prevent them from getting the education that would pull them out of poverty. It's true that a lot of poor people are poor because of decisions they made, but that's not true for all of them, and even if it was I don't think a person should have to live in poverty for the rest of their life because of a bad choice they made.

appeal to emotion and a strawman.

I never said they didn't work. however the jobs they work don't demand the pay that you think they should get which you have yet to define.
you keep harping living wage but no one that harps it will put a number on it.

there is a job out there for just about everyone to do. some are dirty nasty jobs, but the pay is good. others are more white color jobs but you need an education.
however you can't demand pay for a job that can't justify the cost of that pay. it simply doesn't work that way.

look up a restaurant called colors. it was a co-op business by the same group of people that are pushing 15 bucks an hour for fast food workers.
the restaurant failed because the pay was to high for the positions. you can't justify the dishwasher making 15 bucks an hour.
in fact I think it started off higher at like 20 dollars an hour.

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it is just one of many types of same things that are the reason that smart business men don't do what these people want.

when you continue to make the same choices over and over again then yes you will live in poverty.
you should watch that show drugs inc sometime.

people that were investment banks, lawyers, doctors, high end professionals layed low by drugs alone.
they lost their jobs, families and everything just to get another hit of whatever it is they are on.
 
Who could ever have concieved of something like nuclear power generation a hundred years ago ? Mans ingenuity is boundless but current renewables technology is a dead end and a waste of further investment capital in my view

on a micro scale renewable energy works pretty well depending on the area.
as far as macro scale goes? no it is an abject failure.
 
And a blog opinion, is a blog opinion.

not when there is truth in the blog which you didn't even read because it proves once again the liberal lies.
 
Who could ever have concieved of something like nuclear power generation a hundred years ago ? Mans ingenuity is boundless but current renewables technology is a dead end and a waste of further investment capital in my view

Stay out of the business then, and let those more suited for the task take care of it. I've made good money investing in renewables, I use them myself to power two homes and there is certainly a future in it. Just concerning solar power, having been in it for 25 years now, I've watched it take huge strides, and it will continue to grow and improve.
 
not when there is truth in the blog which you didn't even read because it proves once again the liberal lies.

You didn't even know what renewables were when I started using them young man.
 
Yeah it's absolute bull****.

Let me give one example.

My brother is a fuucking math genius. He got into the navy nuclear program.

1 he hated it

2 he was thinking of getting out of it

3 he hit his wife and is now very likely to drop out

4 if he gets the boot, he will most likely become poor since he gave up his chance at the most prestigious nuclear program in the entire ****ing world and doesn't have a college degree

What's funny is that he had the nerve to text my mother to see if she could take him in.

Wastrels are poor because they choose to be.

Smart people can go to college. Even intellectually mediocre people can go to a trade school for plumbing or carpeting or whatever to get a basic skill. Outside of few circumstances (mental retardation?), poverty is a CHOICE.

It's usually the result of the accumulation of poor decisions: not getting a trade, not finishing school, drinking, doing drugs, getting arrested, habitually pissing off bosses and thus having no references....the list is endless.
 
Stay out of the business then, and let those more suited for the task take care of it.

Providing they use their own money and not the taxpayers then I'm fine with that

I've made good money investing in renewables, I use them myself to power two homes and there is certainly a future in it.

Take away its subsidies and its a dead duck

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bar...-govt-subsidies-solar-produced-05-electricity

Just concerning solar power, having been in it for 25 years now, I've watched it take huge strides, and it will continue to grow and improve.

So let it exist in the energy free market and we'll see how long it lasts ?

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Guess which countries have the highest investment in renewables here ?

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You didn't even know what renewables were when I started using them young man.

and this has to do with the price of tea in china how?
ol yea meaningless.

the fact is that on a macro scale renewable energy is a waste of money.
it works find on a micro scale, but after you get outside the area of a large neighborhood they start to drop off.
 
What was graphic about those images?

they left a mess but that is more the government of Nigeria's fault than anything else for not enforcing standards and making sure that they
cleaned up their act.

the reason why oil drilling in the US is relatively clean is that we actually enforce standards.
what happens in Nigeria is when the government is so corrupt that they don't care and take a huge pay day.
 
Providing they use their own money and not the taxpayers then I'm fine with that



Take away its subsidies and its a dead duck

Despite $39B in Annual Gov't. Subsidies, Solar Produced 0.5% of Electricity in US



So let it exist in the energy free market and we'll see how long it lasts ?

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Guess which countries have the highest investment in renewables here ?

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Black gold fossil fuels are subsidized too...............

In the United States, estimates of annual fossil fuel subsidies range from $10 billion to $52 billion annually yet these don’t even include costs borne by taxpayers related to the climate, local environmental, and health impacts of the fossil fuel industry. As of July 2014, Oil Change International estimates U.S. fossil fuel subsidies at $37.5 billion annually, including $21 billion in production and exploration subsidies.
 
Black gold fossil fuels are subsidized too...............

In the United States, estimates of annual fossil fuel subsidies range from $10 billion to $52 billion annually yet these don’t even include costs borne by taxpayers related to the climate, local environmental, and health impacts of the fossil fuel industry. As of July 2014, Oil Change International estimates U.S. fossil fuel subsidies at $37.5 billion annually, including $21 billion in production and exploration subsidies.

Check the cost of the subsidy per KwH of energy generated and you will find renewables to be many hundreds of times more heavily subsidised
 
Check the cost of the subsidy per KwH of energy generated and you will find renewables to be many hundreds of times more heavily subsidised

I don't dispute that, but the biggest profit companies in the world are oil. Quite naturally oil is against renewable. Renewables have never been given a fair chance and it's an uphill battle because of it. Don't worry flogger, oil will be around clogging things up as long as you need it to be.
 
It's fossil fuels that are the scourge, we should have been on renewables long ago. 35 wrecking years of Reaganomics is what's been hurting the poor, and declining the middle class. That's where the contempt is.

Fossil fuels are the single greatest thing we Learned to use, in the age of carbon we lept from living in small wooden towns to industrial cities, virtually eliminated famine expanded science to levels never dreamt possible, and brought the poor to a standRd rivaling the upper class of the era before....
 
I don't dispute that, but the biggest profit companies in the world are oil. Quite naturally oil is against renewable. Renewables have never been given a fair chance and it's an uphill battle because of it. Don't worry flogger, oil will be around clogging things up as long as you need it to be.

Never given a chance? You been to Indio, CA or Ellensberg, WA lately?
 
Fossil fuels are the single greatest thing we Learned to use, in the age of carbon we lept from living in small wooden towns to industrial cities, virtually eliminated famine expanded science to levels never dreamt possible, and brought the poor to a standRd rivaling the upper class of the era before....

There's no disputing the advantages of fossil fuels, and the advancements that it's contribution has made to humanity. There's also no disputing the toxicity of them, and the costs to human, animal and plant life. And, there's a bottom to that barrel of oil. Also, we have technologically moved beyond the need, but the fantastic profits made by so many because of it is an impediment to progress.
 
Never given a chance? You been to Indio, CA or Ellensberg, WA lately?

I've seen those, as well as New Mexico, Texas Oklahoma and Nebraska. The point is big oil lobby has prevented Washington from pursuing them in a meaningful way, everything is token.
 
I don't dispute that, but the biggest profit companies in the world are oil. Quite naturally oil is against renewable. Renewables have never been given a fair chance and it's an uphill battle because of it. Don't worry flogger, oil will be around clogging things up as long as you need it to be.

Like I said you seem to have greater issues with oil companies making profits than with the economic viability of the alternatives. If renewables really worked those same companies would be there in a flash
 
Oil wins every time.

Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn | Environment | The Guardian

"Environmental groups and experts hit out at the US government on Tuesday following its announcement that the Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell would be allowed to resume offshore exploration and drilling in the Arctic’s American waters. Unforgiving conditions in the Arctic’s icy waters not only make the chances of a spill likely, the complete lack of infrastructure in place to deal with a potential disaster means the consequences of the move could be calamitous, environmental activists and experts say.

According to a study published in February by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, the same regulatory governmental agency that yesterday issued its approval of Shell’s Chukchi Sea exploration plan, the chances of one or more oil spills occurring as a result of drilling in the Arctic over the next 77 years are 75%. In open water or broken ice, the same study says that between 44% and 62% of crude oil resulting from a spill would stay put – neither dispersing nor evaporating – after 30 days. “Yesterday’s announcement is inconsistent with the federal government’s commitment for stewardship of the Arctic Ocean, it is inconsistent with President Obama’s commitment to combat climate change, and it is a clear prioritization of Shell’s needs ahead of the protection of one of our most important natural resources,” said Michael LeVine, Oceana’s Pacific senior counsel."

These "experts" just can't get over the fact that all predictions they have made about oil and other energy sources have consistently proven to be completely wrong.
 
Like I said you seem to have greater issues with oil companies making profits than with the economic viability of the alternatives. If renewables really worked those same companies would be there in a flash

But I said exactly the opposite, and pointed out to you that I've made good on my renewable investments, so no.
 
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