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Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

Seeing how the middle class flourished under Reagan along with the poorer classes history revisionism won't help you.
the utter decline on the middle class has come at the hands of liberals and their anti-prosperity mantra.

as liberals continue to push regulations after regulation and the cost to do business goes up the middle class will continue to hurt.
the problem isn't so much the middle class as it is the lower incomes moving up into the middle class.

that is what you saw in the 80's a huge movement from the lower levels to the middle. since then those in the middle class have moved up.
Yes, the middle class has been disappearing, but they haven't fallen into the lower class, they've risen into the upper class - AEI | Carpe Diem Blog » AEIdeas

however the lower incomes won't move upward till they get the job skills and knowledge to move into the middle class.
high school diploma's and working at mcdonald's won't do it and never will.

No blog can rescue us from the damage of 35 years of Reaganomics.
 
however the lower incomes won't move upward till they get the job skills and knowledge to move into the middle class.
high school diploma's and working at mcdonald's won't do it and never will.

Hmmm I disagree with you there. The US has the lowest levels of upward social mobility of any developed country. The odds are that in the US if you are born poor you will die poor whatever your level of intellect sadly. This is a state of affairs that has gotten progressively worse with the passing of decades
 
I agree. The more plentiful the energy the cheaper the cost of living. Whats not to like ?

A damaged environment. Besides the fact that oil, gas and coal deposits are finite, there is what there is, it has an exhaustive date, even if we are uncertain of what it is. Alternatives must be found. ;)
 
I think many people misinterpret what oil is, in terms of economic impact.
Refining crude oil into finished products, is just about the last manufacturing
still done in the US. Services are fine, but at some point the economy needs
manufacturing, the turning of raw materials into finished products, to prime the pump.
 
A damaged environment. Besides the fact that oil, gas and coal deposits are finite, there is what there is, it has an exhaustive date, even if we are uncertain of what it is. Alternatives must be found. ;)

Our fossil fuel reserves will last centuries and I have no particular issues with the siting of oil platforms in uninhabited Arctic wastes either. Costly inefficient renewable alternatives are currently a waste of effort and resources and will not be required for the remotely forseeable future
 
I think many people misinterpret what oil is, in terms of economic impact.
Refining crude oil into finished products, is just about the last manufacturing
still done in the US. Services are fine, but at some point the economy needs
manufacturing, the turning of raw materials into finished products, to prime the pump.

Indeed. Service industries ultimately need real industries to service. Selling each other Capuccino's, hamburgers and Insurance policies will only ever get you so far without genuine wealth creation
 
Our fossil fuel reserves will last centuries and I have no particular issues with the siting of oil platforms in uninhabited Arctic wastes either. Costly inefficient renewable alternatives are currently a waste of effort and resources and will not be required for the remotely forseeable future

Lol. You cannot prove that oil reserves are going to last centuries. You have no concrete proof of their size and no way of knowing what demands will be in the world fifty years from now let alone centuries.
 
When is the left in America going to give up the ghost on this one and admit that Obama has scammed you in another area. You all believe he's the great environmentalist President, out to save the planet and keep the oceans from rising. You've been had.

If a Republican President had expanded energy production to the extent the Obama administration has, mined and exported dirty coal to the record levels this administration has, etc. there'd be eco-terrorist riots in the streets, that President hung in effigy, and more liberal scam artists than you could shake a stick at promising to make America a leader in fighting climate change.

It's laughable - but hey, I'm glad to see Obama's utter hypocrisy continue to be exposed.
 
Lol. You cannot prove that oil reserves are going to last centuries. You have no concrete proof of their size and no way of knowing what demands will be in the world fifty years from now let alone centuries.

Just Shale gas and oil reserves we know of today will last us at least 100 years and we are bound to find a whole lot more. Coal/Oil liquefaction processes like the ones the Nazi's used in WW2 will last at least another two centuries too so we are not just about to run out of fossil fuels any time soon. Indeed the new cheap gas fracking processes potentially promise a new economic boomtime based on cheap energy much like the 25 years after WW2
 
Just Shale gas and oil reserves we know of today will last us at least 100 years and we are bound to find a whole lot more. Coal/Oil liquefaction processes like the ones the Nazi's used in WW2 will last at least another two centuries too so we are not just about to run out of fossil fuels any time soon. Indeed the new cheap gas fracking processes potentially promise a new economic boomtime based on cheap energy much like the 25 years after WW2

Bound to, that's nice. It's finite!!!!!!!!!
 
Bound to, that's nice. It's finite!!!!!!!!!

Yes bound to. Exploration in this particular area is in its relative infancy. Here in the UK for instance we have just discovered a deep reserve in the south of England that has the potential to last us many decades.
 
It's fossil fuels that are the scourge, we should have been on renewables long ago. 35 wrecking years of Reaganomics is what's been hurting the poor, and declining the middle class. That's where the contempt is.

You live in a fantasy world, a world where up is down and left is right. Petroleum set free people, and Reagan's boom is a sharp contrast to Obama's failures.

Renewables cannot replace oil, no matter how hard you cross your fingers, close your eyes and wish it were otherwise.
 
Yes bound to. Exploration in this particular area is in its relative infancy. Here in the UK for instance we have just discovered a deep reserve in the south of England that has the potential to last us many decades.

Then quit spilling oil in the Gulf of Mexico polluting our beaches. Humanity will be working on renewables while your pushing up daisies, they'll not be doomed to the increasing risks of fossil fuels over floggers wishes. I would say wait and see but!
 
You live in a fantasy world, a world where up is down and left is right. Petroleum set free people, and Reagan's boom is a sharp contrast to Obama's failures.

Renewables cannot replace oil, no matter how hard you cross your fingers, close your eyes and wish it were otherwise.

Lol. Who's crossing fingers and hoping. You must be unaware of the efforts that have already been put into them, and will continue to be. But yeah, big oil won't make room easily.
 
Then quit spilling oil in the Gulf of Mexico polluting our beaches. Humanity will be working on renewables while your pushing up daisies, they'll not be doomed to the increasing risks of fossil fuels over floggers wishes. I would say wait and see but!

Current renewables are an unaffordable technological cul de sac. They are also becoming increasingly pointless and unnecessary as more and cheaper kinds of fossil fuel resources increasingly come on line. Now you might not like those being the facts but thems the breaks :roll:
 
Current renewables are an unaffordable technological cul de sac. They are also becoming increasingly pointless and unnecessary as more and cheaper kinds of fossil fuel resources increasingly come on line. Now you might not like those being the facts but thems the breaks :roll:

Treating non renewables as though they come from a bottomless pit is utterly stupid, and will end in ruin.
 
Treating non renewables as though they come from a bottomless pit is utterly stupid, and will end in ruin.

Woe woe and thrice woe. I've been hearing this lament for 40 years and we were supposed to have run out 20 years ago then. . By the time they run out who knows what we will have invented to replace them. I think you are rather more concerned that someone might get even richer in the present than what might happen in the future and thats really what grinds your gears here
 
Then quit spilling oil in the Gulf of Mexico polluting our beaches.
50% of all oil in the oceans is caused by nature.

Humanity will be working on renewables while your pushing up daisies, they'll not be doomed to the increasing risks of fossil fuels over floggers wishes. I would say wait and see but!

Renewables will never reach the portability and power conversion of oil, natural gas, and coal. Renewables will never keep up with the output of nuclear power plants.

Renewables work in small scale and to supplement on a large scale. They can only work on a large scale if you kill off most of the human population, reduce the standard of living, or there is a God-like technological breakthrough.
 
Woe woe and thrice woe. By the time they run out who knows what we will have invented to replace them. I think you are rather more concerned that someone might get even richer in the present than what might happen in the future and thats really what grinds your gears here

Not in the slightest. Getting rich is great. But you can't wait till you run out to begin working on replacement. Viable replacements need to be in progress now. And by the way, people can get rich off them too. But burning nasty, polluting dinosaur (pun intended) fuels must be stopped at some point. And it will be too, regardless of opinion now.
 
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