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Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

i'll cautiously applaud this, but i have to point out that i believe that the trade agreement is going to go through anyway. this is because those with money have already purchased it. Democrats still have to put on a good pro labor show for those of us in the cheap seats, though, and i suspect that this is what's happening now.

Such cynicism. But I've always believed that the cynical, while not the happy, is the logical position.
 
Such cynicism. But I've always believed that the cynical, while not the happy, is the logical position.

i'm actually curious to see if my cynicism turns out to be correct. might as well make the latest POS trade agreement interesting.

oh, and a little bit of retro :



my first presidential vote.
 
did the facts of the law of the ACA made public while in committee...no..it was behind closed doors.
What you are arguing is that the bill itself was not public... Are you freaking kidding me? You know how ridiculous that is and sounds? The bill was debated in public and worked in committee in public. Now please provide me with information that states otherwise, I can literally show you that it was, and for you to state otherwise is flat out wrong and ridiculous.

i underSTAND the senate very well..but hereS my point!
You clearly do not.

every time you make post you do so as to make the republicans look bad, in this case you make it look look democrats stood up for truth and kept the american people from getting Scre*ed.
This isnt about my posting habits now. Please try to stay on topic I know you had to move the goalposts to something about the ACA, then make up something how the ACA was not public, now you are resorting to my posting habits. But c'mon now...

now lets say you correct in this point on this thread.
You were the one that brought up the ACA then made **** up about how it was worked through congress... But I agree lets go back to the TPP shall we?


so peddling 1 party over the other is a waste.
Umm I mean the party that blocked it was the Democrats... U.S. Senate: Roll Call Vote
 
McConnell tosses in poison pills on currency manipulation and child labor at the last minute, sealing the deal on cloture.

And saving Boehner another embarrassment at this point by not being able to pass TPP .
 
I am a conservative vs republican however I don't support all trade agreements.
unless there is value in it for America I see no reason to sign any trade agreement.

Just from what I read I would not support this bill either.
however I know why the president does, and many might question why the president does however if you read some of the more disturbing parts of this bill
it fits right in line with his ideology.

That's a bit cryptic, but it fits with the ideology of almost all republicans, big business, the Chamber of Commerce, multinationals, etc. I'm not sure what your point is here.

What is indicates to me is the socialist etc. label for Obama is ridiculous. He's a middle of the road, centrist, neo-liberal on economic matters like pretty much the last several POTUS's. Not much different than Bush or Clinton.

I'm glad democrats and republicans stopped fast track on a bill negotiated in secret by lobbyists for the behemoth corporate interests. It's like asking Congress to take a pig in a poke, which I'm vehemently opposed to on this trade deal.
 
I am a conservative vs republican however I don't support all trade agreements.
unless there is value in it for America I see no reason to sign any trade agreement.

Just from what I read I would not support this bill either.
however I know why the president does, and many might question why the president does however if you read some of the more disturbing parts of this bill
it fits right in line with his ideology.

Well, whatever that alleged ideology is, it must be shared by republicans.
 
What's particularly wrong with the TPP? I'm trying to find good sources as to what it actually does but unfortunately most are partisan spin pieces.

The only people allowed to see what's right and wrong with TPP must be Congressman and Senators who must read it in a secret room and are not allowed to take notes.

DEM Senators are using the only weapon they have--the one McConnell set all-time records on for the previous SIX years up until now .
 
What you are arguing is that the bill itself was not public... Are you freaking kidding me? You know how ridiculous that is and sounds? The bill was debated in public and worked in committee in public. Now please provide me with information that states otherwise, I can literally show you that it was, and for you to state otherwise is flat out wrong and ridiculous.


You clearly do not.


This isnt about my posting habits now. Please try to stay on topic I know you had to move the goalposts to something about the ACA, then make up something how the ACA was not public, now you are resorting to my posting habits. But c'mon now...


You were the one that brought up the ACA then made **** up about how it was worked through congress... But I agree lets go back to the TPP shall we?



Umm I mean the party that blocked it was the Democrats... U.S. Senate: Roll Call Vote

my point is clear, you peddle the democrats in your story postings because thats your MO.

in this story you pushing the democrats as if what they do in Washington open and accessible to the pubic, whereas they have not always been open to the public..


you just asked for info,which states....well there is information that does not agreed with you...now i know you will reject it, but that does not matter...because i am showing you evidence of what i have said.

Video: House Dems cancel committee meetings, go behind closed doors for ObamaCare « Hot Air

Since it's basically one-party rule in Washington nowadays, Democratic leaders including Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are seriously considering pushing President Obama's beloved healthcare legislation through Congress without the normal conference committee work involving both party's members from both houses.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/healthcare-senate-house-democrats-obama.html

and there are more links to more stories of democrats in closed door meetings....

so again your post are, you peddling the democrats
 
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my point is clear, you peddle the democrats in your story postings because thats your MO.

in this story you pushing the democrats as if what they do in Washington open and accessible to the pubic, whereas they have not always been open to the public..

you just asked for info,which states....well there is information that does not agreed with you...now i know you will reject it, but that does not matter...because i am showing you evidence of what i have said.

Video: House Dems cancel committee meetings, go behind closed doors for ObamaCare « Hot Air

Since it's basically one-party rule in Washington nowadays, Democratic leaders including Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are seriously considering pushing President Obama's beloved healthcare legislation through Congress without the normal conference committee work involving both party's members from both houses.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/healthcare-senate-house-democrats-obama.html

and there are more links to more stories of democrats in closed door meetings....

so again your post are, you peddling the democrats

You just cannot compare the debate surrounding ACA with the TPP. They're in no way similar. The GOP proposed and the Congress adopted over 100 GOP amendments to the bill, there were dozens of hearings, many days of debate on the floor, etc. What they're trying to do with TPP is allow no one to see the bill, grant the POTUS fast track, which means it must be voted on as is, without any amendments, and they're supposed to do so without having the first idea what is actually in the trade bill. They're night and day differences. Bringing up ACA in this context is just a red herring, nothing more.
 
You just cannot compare the debate surrounding ACA with the TPP. They're in no way similar. The GOP proposed and the Congress adopted over 100 GOP amendments to the bill, there were dozens of hearings, many days of debate on the floor, etc. What they're trying to do with TPP is allow no one to see the bill, grant the POTUS fast track, which means it must be voted on as is, without any amendments, and they're supposed to do so without having the first idea what is actually in the trade bill. They're night and day differences. Bringing up ACA in this context is just a red herring, nothing more.

actually what i am saying is this plain an simple....this is a DEMOCRAT PEDDLING THREAD.
 
my point is clear, you peddle the democrats in your story postings because thats your MO.
Are you kidding me? How am I "peddleing" them? Also its not all Democrats, my little applause symbol is for those in the Party that stopped it. If you see the vote count many Democrats voted for the motion...
in this story you pushing the democrats as if what they do in Washington open and accessible to the pubic, whereas they have not always been open to the public..
They voted, in public. What the is your point? Do you even have one? Is it to just deny how events happened and speaking in favor of some for doing something I agree with is a no no?
you just asked for info,which states....well there is information that does not agreed with you...now i know you will reject it, but that does not matter...because i am showing you evidence of what i have said.

Video: House Dems cancel committee meetings, go behind closed doors for ObamaCare « Hot Air

Since it's basically one-party rule in Washington nowadays, Democratic leaders including Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are seriously considering pushing President Obama's beloved healthcare legislation through Congress without the normal conference committee work involving both party's members from both houses.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/healthcare-senate-house-democrats-obama.html

and there are more links to more stories of democrats in closed door meetings....

so again your post are, you peddling the democrats

:doh
This is actually what you said: "THE ACA in committee was kept from the public,and when it hit the floor, it was not given much debate time." Post #18

First to the great reporting of HotAir: this is exactly what I meant when I said it seems you have no idea on how it works. Committees are cancelled all the time, it happens all the time, and it even happens to plot strategy. Benefits of being the majority party, you control the committees. Welcome to politics.

Second to the LATimes: Guess what, the House agreed to the Senate's bill thus becoming law. No conference committee needed.

None of this is evidence to what you stated. It was not kept secret from the committee process, it was given time to debate, and was not kept form the public.

Anyways back to the TPP.
 
I have to say I find it curious, and just a little bit humorous, that some of the same posters who were criticizing Republicans for not wanting to let Obama bind America to a secretly negotiated deal with Iran are now cheering on Democrats for not wanting to let Obama bind America to a secretly negotiated trade deal with the Asian group.

American politics are wonderful.
 
I mean the party that blocked it was the Democrats... U.S. Senate: Roll Call Vote

Thanks for the link TDS--looks just like the previous SIX years--just parties reversed--and the POTUS watching the Senate play politics.
With few focusing on McConnell not including currency manipulation and child labor--reverse poison pills I'd say.
DEM Carden a YES and McConnell a No so he can bring it up for further consideration--as Reid had to do thousands of times over six years.

Rubio, Graham and Booker not voting.
Graham has always protected his textiles--Rubio being given a pass not to offend TEAs--Booker afraid of the Longshoremen but supporting TPP for inner cities.

The House is still a long shot for Boehner--he's lost his Freedom Caucus/TEAs on almost every issue--like this one--and the Cromnibus and DHS.
Which brings us back to Wyden in the Senate with the power.
And Pelosi with renewed power in the House .
 
my point is clear, you peddle the democrats in your story postings because thats your MO.

in this story you pushing the democrats as if what they do in Washington open and accessible to the pubic, whereas they have not always been open to the public..


you just asked for info,which states....well there is information that does not agreed with you...now i know you will reject it, but that does not matter...because i am showing you evidence of what i have said.

Video: House Dems cancel committee meetings, go behind closed doors for ObamaCare « Hot Air

Since it's basically one-party rule in Washington nowadays, Democratic leaders including Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are seriously considering pushing President Obama's beloved healthcare legislation through Congress without the normal conference committee work involving both party's members from both houses.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/healthcare-senate-house-democrats-obama.html

and there are more links to more stories of democrats in closed door meetings....

so again your post are, you peddling the democrats

Are you for or against TPP
 
Are you kidding me? How am I "peddleing" them? Also its not all Democrats, my little applause symbol is for those in the Party that stopped it. If you see the vote count many Democrats voted for the motion...

They voted, in public. What the is your point? Do you even have one? Is it to just deny how events happened and speaking in favor of some for doing something I agree with is a no no?


:doh
This is actually what you said: "THE ACA in committee was kept from the public,and when it hit the floor, it was not given much debate time." Post #18

First to the great reporting of HotAir: this is exactly what I meant when I said it seems you have no idea on how it works. Committees are cancelled all the time, it happens all the time, and it even happens to plot strategy. Benefits of being the majority party, you control the committees. Welcome to politics.

Second to the LATimes: Guess what, the House agreed to the Senate's bill thus becoming law. No conference committee needed.

None of this is evidence to what you stated. It was not kept secret from the committee process, it was given time to debate, and was not kept form the public.

Anyways back to the TPP.

i will make it simple what i mean....

your threads have become the james d. hill of threads, because you make post... to make one politician party worst then other, thats your MO.....and no one has to think hard on the one you wish to demonize..

my point had to do with the comment you made which i highlighted, which you were trying to put forth that democrats were doing the right thing, and that things should be out in the open or nothing.

my point was... republicans want to keep things from the public, but both parties do it, as when the ACA was being formed, [and i showed you links, which you acted as thought none existed]....which i also stated you would not accept and would reject as you have.

because the truth for you exist only in your post.

again.... this among others are peddling post for a party.
 
I have to say I find it curious, and just a little bit humorous, that some of the same posters who were criticizing Republicans for not wanting to let Obama bind America to a secretly negotiated deal with Iran are now cheering on Democrats for not wanting to let Obama bind America to a secretly negotiated trade deal with the Asian group.

American politics are wonderful.

Which is why we need a Parliamentary style debate over these issues.
Warren has been the Adult and Obama has been the Asshole in this discussion.
DEMs are tired of falling on the sword for BHO .
 
The P5+1 are all interested in ensuring that Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon, that's six countries with the same interest, not just Obama secretly scheming something. The TPP is being negotiated, on the American side by 28 different committees which collectively are composed of 85% corporate executives and industry lobbyists. This trade deal will have very direct effects on everyday Americans, good or bad. The Iran deal, meh, Iran is no problem to the daily affairs of average Americans. There's no comparison.
 
i only commented on the OP posters comment.... thats all.

I understand. But I looked at your first post in this thread, and I can't tell whether or not you support TPP?
 
Which is why we need a Parliamentary style debate over these issues.
Warren has been the Adult and Obama has been the Asshole in this discussion.
DEMs are tired of falling on the sword for BHO .

Canada, as a negotiating party to the TPTA will have just such a debate and we have had several discussions in our newspapers about the negotiations. The most recent story was about the Obama administration trying to put pressure on Canada to remove our dairy and farming supports as part of the deal and Canada resisting. I'm not sure what you're hearing in America, but we hear about these things here, just as we heard all about our negotiated trade deal with the EU which is now before parliament for debate.
 
that is because i didnt take a postion on that subject, my reply only had to do witheh posters comments.

Thank you, I did understand that the first time. May I ask you your position on TPP?
 
Thank you, I did understand that the first time. May I ask you your position on TPP?

i cant give you one, because i have not studied that issue, because i have much other reading to do, concerning constitutional law.

but i can tell you i have always been for free trade, however that trade must be equal trade from both sides.
 
I will admit that I don't know enough about the bill to know where I stand. I've read some of this thread and I still don't know enough about this bill to comment. I don't think any others do either. Everyone seems to have a grip on the partisan nature of the bill however. I honestly don't trust democrats, republicans or Obama. If someone can talk about the merits of the bill, good or bad, it would be interesting.

Republicans may like fast track because they understand that Obama has a short time left in office and eventually it will open some doors for future presidents. The devil is in the details though and it's the details I would be concerned about.
 
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