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Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

Greetings, Luftwaffe. :2wave:

I don't know what criteria they used to make their statement, but make it they did - based on however they gauge such things. I didn't say I liked reading that, though! :no:

China is some thousands ahead of us in PPP.

They are still trillions below in raw output and per person they are still not even in the top 50 in the world, nevermind on our level or above.

Actually digest what you're reading. Your strength clearly isn't in economics so seek guidance and learn and always define every last thing you read by googling or whatever you have to do. A high schooler shouldn't be telling you this.
 
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There are relatively few wars going on and even the civil wars are much less bloody than they historically used to be. You are simply being hysterical.

:lamo: I'm probably one of the least hysterical people you will ever meet, as people who know me will confirm. Logic is my guide in most things I'm faced with, unfortunately. Pretending everything is just peachy doesn't work for me, since reality keeps intruding.
 
:lamo: I'm probably one of the least hysterical people you will ever meet, as people who know me will confirm. Logic is my guide in most things I'm faced with, unfortunately. Pretending everything is just peachy doesn't work for me, since reality keeps intruding.

I guess you must think the world began yesterday then.
 
Nixon opened up China. US manufacturers have been using China for industry since the early eighties, making handsome profits. There really is no reason to hold China in this adversarial posture. I suppose the defence industry is licking their chops at the prospect of war with China.

Do you think that the South China Sea is all Chinese territory as they have claimed?
 
The danger normally doesn't come from places you know, but places you don't expect. China is not our friend and they are not an enemy - but they eventually will give into temptation of power, control and militarism. They are an ancient race and have gone through period like this many times - eventually it will happen and my belief is they will let the attack dog they have on a leash right now (North Korea) be the cannon fodder for the initial wave.
 
First of all China has only 250 nuclear warheads, far fewer then the U.S. or Russia and as yet have not chosen to compete on a warhead basis. You might be asking why China doesn't ask us to reduce our count which is now 7300! As far a strategic secrets are concerned, China has the ability to steal them just like Russia did. I doubt we are giving away anything they don't already have. Peaceful use of nuclear power is in the interests of the entire world and China is now the #1 emmitter of Co2, most of it from coal. anything that will help them transition to cleaner power generation is a good thing. A wise man said "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer". This deal seems to follow those words.

And the US has an aging Nuke capability. The time is now perfect to bring China on board, as Russia will jump at the chance to lower nuke levels.
 
The danger normally doesn't come from places you know, but places you don't expect. China is not our friend and they are not an enemy - but they eventually will give into temptation of power, control and militarism. They are an ancient race and have gone through period like this many times - eventually it will happen and my belief is they will let the attack dog they have on a leash right now (North Korea) be the cannon fodder for the initial wave.

They'll release their anger on neighbors like India which they've done in the past.

They are not going to fight us. A complete american embargo would kill China more than it would kill us.
 
And the US has an aging Nuke capability. The time is now perfect to bring China on board, as Russia will jump at the chance to lower nuke levels.

Warhead reduction is up to the US and Russia. China is already at a level we can only dream of. I doubt Putin will "jump" at any reductions, he is bent on bringing back Russia to its former"glory".

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And the US has an aging Nuke capability. The time is now perfect to bring China on board, as Russia will jump at the chance to lower nuke levels.

Our aging nuke capability is more than enough to shut China up for a century at LEAST.
 
China is a couple thousand ahead of us in PPP.

They are still trillions below in raw output and per person they are still not even in the top 50 in the world, nevermind on our level or above.

Actually digest what you're reading. Your strength clearly isn't in economics so seek guidance and learn and always define every last thing you read by googling or whatever you have to do. A high schooler shouldn't be telling you this.

I should argue with the IMF and tell them they're wrong? Not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, but if you feel like doing so, best of luck to you. Who knows, perhaps they like hearing from people and will agree with you and admit they were wrong in their statement. :mrgreen:
 
Warhead reduction is up to the US and Russia. China is already at a level we can only dream of. I doubt Putin will "jump" at any reductions, he is bent on bringing back Russia to its former"glory".

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Russia's number 1 strategic problem is China. Look at history and land grabs forced upon a weak Chinese govt.
 
Our aging nuke capability is more than enough to shut China up for a century at LEAST.

True, and the rest of humanity dies off from radiation.
 
Nope! I study history, plus I tend to believe scientists when they tell us how old this planet is.

If you know anything about history, then you will know that the current time is relatively speaking quite peaceful and safe.
 
We'll no. I don't think China is a snake, and I don't appreciate ginning up a war with them.

You don't appreciate ginning up a war with them. Who ever suggested we are ginning up a war with China? Better yet please point out the post that suggested anyone is ginning up a war with them.

I await.
 
Do you think that the South China Sea is all Chinese territory as they have claimed?

Greetings, Janfu. :2wave:

They have some ancient records to back up their thinking, but the world has changed since then, and other countries now very much disagree with them. The original Native Americans could use the same argument regarding the US, as a matter of fact. This could prove interesting...
 
China will not attack its number one costumer. Both nations would lose terribly in the end and China would not win over us (whether they deal a lot of damage or not earns nothing).

I never suggest they would. My point was and has been our constitution requires us to provide for the safety of it's citizens. The world has a history of wars and instability such as the middle east in flames. History dictates a strong military to provide that security. And yes today China wants our business but that can always change. China is now the number one economic supper power and it has amassed a huge military. One never knows who will be on the march next to obtain more power.
 
If you know anything about history, then you will know that the current time is relatively speaking quite peaceful and safe.

Huh? If you are not including the two world wars we've fought and disregard what's going on in the ME and Africa, which is spreading to other parts of the world as we speak, then I guess you could call the current time "peaceful and safe." I just don't see current events the same way you do, apparently. :shrug:
 
I should argue with the IMF and tell them they're wrong? Not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, but if you feel like doing so, best of luck to you. Who knows, perhaps they like hearing from people and will agree with you and admit they were wrong in their statement. :mrgreen:

You can always link to me the article. It could also be that you misread them.
 
Huh? If you are not including the two world wars we've fought and disregard what's going on in the ME and Africa, which is spreading to other parts of the world as we speak, then I guess you could call the current time "peaceful and safe." I just don't see current events the same way you do, apparently. :shrug:

Newsflash, the Second World War ended 70 years ago.
 
I never suggest they would. My point was and has been our constitution requires us to provide for the safety of it's citizens. The world has a history of wars and instability such as the middle east in flames. History dictates a strong military to provide that security. And yes today China wants our business but that can always change. China is now the number one economic supper power and it has amassed a huge military. One never knows who will be on the march next to obtain more power.

A huge military with no boats to sail across the goddamn pacific :lamo
 
What year did 9-11 happen?

And how many wars and years sense WWII

Actually even the second half of the 20th century was pretty peaceful, but there was indeed the Korean War, Vietnam War and a few other conflicts. Care to tell me what currently comes close to that?

I am not saying the world is full of peace and quiet. I am saying that in historical perspective there is currently relativelu little war or even danger in the world.
 
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