Another train carrying oil crashes & catches fire...this time in North Dakota

[Roadvirus]

If only we had a pipeline...

A tiny North Dakota town was evacuated Wednesday after a train carrying crude oil derailed and several cars burst into flames, local authorities said. It is the latest in a string of explosive oil train derailments that have raised concerns about the large volume of crude moving across America's tracks.

No injuries have been reported from the derailment of a BNSF train near Heimdal, North Dakota. The town, which in 2010 had a population of 27, has been evacuated, as have farms near the crash site.

Heimdal, North Dakota, Evacuated After Fiery Oil Train Crash - NBC News

 

[TheDemSocialist]

If only we had a pipeline...

Do pipelines not fail or something?

 

[WCH]

Do pipelines not fail or something?

They're generally not moving at 60 mph.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

They're generally not moving at 60 mph.

That didnt answer my question.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

You should be excited about this then!
DOT Announces Final Rule to Strengthen Safe Transportation of Flammable Liquids by Rail | Department of Transportation
"WASHINGTON – U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx today announced a final rule for the safe transportation of flammable liquids by rail. The final rule, developed by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) and Federal Railroad Administration (FRA), in coordination with Canada, focuses on safety improvements that are designed to prevent accidents, mitigate consequences in the event of an accident, and support emergency response. - See more at: http://www.dot.gov/briefing-room/final-rule-on-safe-rail-transport-of-flammable-liquids#sthash.Y8llPD0Y.dpuf"

 

[mike2810]

Yes, pipelines do fail

PG&E fined $1.4B for San Bruno pipeline blast

and trains sometime wreck. As do ships, semi trucks ,etc.

imi, It is a bad comparison to look at trains vs. pipelines.

 

[reinoe]

Do pipelines not fail or something?

My experience with Super Mario World tells me that pipes can do amazing things, take you to incredible places, and they rarely break.

 

[WCH]

That didnt answer my question.

Sometimes they do fail but, seldom does it cause a major catastrophe.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Sometimes they do fail but, seldom does it cause a major catastrophe.

And sometime rail fails. You agree we need more regulations then? Do you agree with the new regulations coming out from the Department of Transportation?

 

[WCH]

And sometime rail fails. You agree we need more regulations then? Do you agree with the new regulations coming out from the Department of Transportation?

Safety is good.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

They're generally not moving at 60 mph.

Ok. And oil tankers move even slower and oil rigs don't move at all. Not seeing the point.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Safety is good.

So more regulations? Yes or no? Even if it costs the private company more money?

 

[Montecresto]

If only we had a pipeline...

If only we'd been really investing in renewables all these years.

 

[Renae]

Tonight at 11, we investigate "**** that happens in real life" next, sports with captain obvious.

 

[Bethlehem Bill]

is there a certain amount of accidents per year, or $damage per year, at which point said activity should be against the law?

anyone want to hazard a guess about a cost/benefit ratio whereby this could be justified?

(applies to any industry)

 

[Fenton]

If only we'd been really investing in renewables all these years.

And wasting more money on inferior technologies that can't stand on their own merits without substantial Government and consumer subsidies ?

Imagine all the debt we would have by now ? And how expensive energy would be.

You don't have to imagine. Just look at Germany.

 

[Montecresto]

And wasting more money on inferior technologies that can't stand on their own merits without substantial Government and consumer subsidies ?

Imagine all the debt we would have by now ? And how expensive energy would be.

We wouldn't be spending trillions fighting oil wars.

 

[WCH]

Ok. And oil tankers move even slower and oil rigs don't move at all. Not seeing the point.

Add motion and speed to any scenario and you increase the chances of a greater disaster.

 

[WCH]

So more regulations? Yes or no? Even if it costs the private company more money?

Do you know another way to impose rules? And yes I do believe some of them will be onerous to the point of costing us and the company more.

 

[csbrown28]

And wasting more money on inferior technologies that can't stand on their own merits without substantial Government and consumer subsidies ?

Imagine all the debt we would have by now ? And how expensive energy would be.

You don't have to imagine. Just look at Germany.

Are you suggesting that renewables, any of them, they will never be viable? Or that hoisting renewables upon society before they mature to soothe our eco-conscience is [potentially] the problem?

 

[j-mac]

Are you suggesting that renewables, any of them, they will never be viable? Or that hoisting renewables upon society before they mature to soothe our eco-conscience is [potentially] the problem?

I'd say the second....From the start of the this whole scam called Global warming there have been absurd calls to move to things before they are viable to be used as the source of the nations energy...Making things more expensive for those that liberals claim to champion is just one signal that they are full of it.

 

[Renae]

is there a certain amount of accidents per year, or $damage per year, at which point said activity should be against the law?

anyone want to hazard a guess about a cost/benefit ratio whereby this could be justified?

(applies to any industry)

By that criteria cars should be outlawed, do you know how many people die on the roads each year?

 

[Bethlehem Bill]

By that criteria cars should be outlawed, do you know how many people die on the roads each year?

i didn't state a criteria, i asked a question

the theme of posts like this is that because there are environmental disasters that result from the transportation of oil, then we need to stop using oil and switch to renewables. it is my opinion that despite these occasional accidents, the goods provided still far outweigh these negatives.

i'd like to know from the posters who are against fossil fuels, exactly how much damage they feel we can tolerate as a society, like a cost/benefit ratio, before a given activity or industry is outlawed. your post suggests that we might agree, as there are a lot of activities that we engage in that damage the environment yet are still legal due to the benefits they provide

 

[Montecresto]

I'd say the second....From the start of the this whole scam called Global warming there have been absurd calls to move to things before they are viable to be used as the source of the nations energy...Making things more expensive for those that liberals claim to champion is just one signal that they are full of it.

Renewables have never been taken seriously. And as long as that black nasty can be pumped out of the ground for easy profit, they won't be.

 

[reinoe]

Subsidies for renewables are bad. Subsidies for oil industry are good. The Chevron, BP, and Exxon lobbyists say so.