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Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

SmokeAndMirrors said:
There's nowhere left to go with this conversation. You think people can logically protect pedophiles. That is a conversation ender.
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It's worth noting that you think you can logically defend violent killers.
 
Gathomas88 said:
You're aware that a significant number of priests and other clergy actually have been jailed over these sex scandals, right?
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Yes they have but it's been found time and time again that the church knew about the pedophilia long beforehand and moved priests around and sheltered them to keep them from being caught instead of immediately turning them and all relevant evidence to the authorities without having to be asked. Or fought. Or sued. This is a consistent problem with not only the Catholic Church but other Christian churches as well.
 
It's a problem with humanity itself. I mean, let's not forget the "Lolita Express" and the many public figures who enjoyed what Jeffrey Epstein had to offer. My guess is that the percent of the general population who are pedophiles is about the same as those who are in a ministry.
 
Cephus said:
Yes they have but it's been found time and time again that the church knew about the pedophilia long beforehand and moved priests around and sheltered them to keep them from being caught instead of immediately turning them and all relevant evidence to the authorities without having to be asked. Or fought. Or sued. This is a consistent problem with not only the Catholic Church but other Christian churches as well.
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Yes, and I believe I talked about all of that in my original post.

It also wasn't just Christian organizations involved in these sorts of hush ups. It was just the way molestation and misconduct cases tended to be handled in general.

Remember the Boy Scouts scandal, for example?

Up to fairly recently, most organizations were interested in avoiding bad press more than anything else.

None of this makes it right, of course. However, the Church has moved to make amends and correct the problem in the time since.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Yes, and I believe I talked about all of that in my original post.

It also wasn't just Christian organizations involved in these sorts of hush ups. It was just the way molestation and misconduct cases tended to be handled in general.

Remember the Boy Scouts scandal, for example?

None of this makes it right, of course. However, the Church has moved to make amends and correct the problem in the time since.
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No, there are plenty of others that are just as bad, there are sex scandals among the Jews, among the Muslims, among Buddhists, etc. There should be absolutely no exception made for religion, which just isn't the case today. Prosecute EVERYONE equally and hold ALL ORGANIZATIONS accountable.
 
Cephus said:
No, there are plenty of others that are just as bad, there are sex scandals among the Jews, among the Muslims, among Buddhists, etc. There should be absolutely no exception made for religion, which just isn't the case today. Prosecute EVERYONE equally and hold ALL ORGANIZATIONS accountable.
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I wouldn't disagree. Though I would argue that the steps the Church has already taken seem to be working more than adequately so far.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Ok. :shrug: I'm still not going to praise what is basically same-old, same-old -- literally no change at all. It's not good enough. It's not anything at all, in fact. It is not news to anyone that the Catholic Church offers "forgiveness" to women who abort.

The only thing that is new is that, now, he is apparently targeting women who are trying to escape the Church. And if anything, I find that to be a step backwards, as though the Church has any right to decide whether a given woman will or won't be in it. They don't consent to being in the Church. Leave them alone.
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Where in the world did you get that idea?

It's not like the Pope can FORCE them back in. He's offering absolution for those that want it. Those that don't want it surely don't feel any need to take it.


If they're 'trying to escape the church' then this offer is hardly some kind of coercion to drag them back in... only those interested in being reconciled to the Catholic Church would be interested.
 
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