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Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

Montecresto said:
I'm just saying that I share little responsibility for how my tax dollars are spent. But I feel better about it when they are spent on noble things like unwanted pregnancy prevention, then gratuitous wars. That's all.
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taxation should never be forced....because when it is and used for things like redistribution...its wrong.

when taxation is by commerce only, then taxes are not forced, and money can be used for redistribution.

the military is power of the u.s. federal government.

noble things are subjective...
 
Crovax said:
No that precisely why it shouldnt be funded by the govt, it was successful on its own funding
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but the funding is gone! the program is going to be eliminated because the funding has dried/is drying up.



Crovax said:
That's exactly what im talking about people who hate "labels", if your an independent who always votes democrat you are a democrat no matter what the (DMV, really? is that how they do it in your state?) DMV says
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when I hear democrat, I think of someone who is a member of the democratic party. an actual member. not someone who usually votes with them. I usually vote democrat because currently, their candidates usually resemble my beliefs more closely than republican candidates. I've voted for republicans plenty of times, however, and depending on the campaign I will likely end up voting republican in the upcoming presidential election. I'm a liberal, but I'm not a democrat.

and yeah, here in Colorado you can register to vote and simultaneously register with a party at the DMV when you get your drivers license. I was actually surprised at how smoothly it went when I had to get rid of my old VA license.
 
Montecresto said:
Like forcing people to pay for gratuitous wars. Only a condom is so much cheaper than a Tomahawk.
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You do realize we're not talking about condoms here. In fact, what we're most likely talking about is a test and marketing run sponsored by one of those evil Big Pharma corps you detest.
 
Crovax said:
Roads and police are infrastructure, giving iuds to poor people is charity.
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Assisting people who don't have the resources to deal with unwanted pregnancies isn't charity, it's mutually beneficial. "Charity" would imply it's a one way act. This is not a zero sum investment.
 
Anthony60 said:
Do you believe that is the only solution, forcing other people to pay for irresponsible people's birth control?
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no. but you just ignored my questions! that doesn't seem fair.
 
clownboy said:
If it really were a health issue they wouldn't be installing IUDs in teens.
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STD's and teen pregnancy are a national health issue.
 
Anomalism said:
Not giving poor people free stuff is apparently more important than a favorable outcome.
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ha it's probably a bit more complicated than that but yeah it does feel like that is the viewpoint of some. pragmatism and maintaining objectivity is a lot more difficult than most people realize.
 
jet57 said:
Then they - write it off - so, it's not really giving is it.
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Some claim it, some don't. Do you even file your own taxes? Itemize, or EZ? Because you should know, that just because you give to charity doesn't mean you get to write it off. And there's no extra money given back from a write off. They get to keep a little more of what they paid already by paying more.
 
clownboy said:
Some claim it, some don't. Do you even file your own taxes? Itemize, or EZ. Because you should know, that just because you give to charity doesn't mean you get to write it off. And there's no extra money given back from a write off. They get to keep a little more of what they paid already by paying more.
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You missed the point completely.
 
Not being a resident of Colorado, its laws are not my business.
 
It does not appear that they outlawed the practice, just didn't assign tax money to it. It was previously privately funded, why not try to find other donors? Just because there is a solution doesn't mean it has to be a government solution, and responsibility for side affects could lead to lawsuits against the state, which in turn gets paid for by their citizens. Talk about government being all up in your business....

But seriously, I would support a project like this, as a private venture, not a state one.
 
bg85 said:
but the funding is gone! the program is going to be eliminated because the funding has dried/is drying up.
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Has an attempt been made for finding additional private funding?

when I hear democrat, I think of someone who is a member of the democratic party. an actual member. not someone who usually votes with them. I usually vote democrat because currently, their candidates usually resemble my beliefs more closely than republican candidates. I've voted for republicans plenty of times, however, and depending on the campaign I will likely end up voting republican in the upcoming presidential election. I'm a liberal, but I'm not a democrat.
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Which is true of most people, and with the majority of democrats and republicans all on opposites sides of issues, most people end up choosing one side even if they dont register that way

Really OT but this is one of my main curiosities about politics today people who vote for both democrats and republicans. Which beliefs exactly entail you to pick a republican over a democrat in 2016 if you mostly align with democrat values?

and yeah, here in Colorado you can register to vote and simultaneously register with a party at the DMV when you get your drivers license. I was actually surprised at how smoothly it went when I had to get rid of my old VA license.
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In Texas if you vote republican youre a republican, if you vote democrat youre a democrat. Were crazy like that
 
clownboy said:
No, you just think so because you don't understand what write offs are or their effect.
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Noooo, a write off is a give back. So writing off a charitable deduction is not giving in the true sense of the word. It's - making money on someone else's back; a true conservative trait.
 
Unrepresented said:
Assisting people who don't have the resources to deal with unwanted pregnancies isn't charity, it's mutually beneficial. "Charity" would imply it's a one way act. This is not a zero sum investment.
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Its only "mutually beneficial" because we have created all these other programs to cover up for irresponsible behavior. Its like saying give me $5 so I wont steal $10, I still lose moey
 
jet57 said:
Noooo, a write off is a give back. So writing off a charitable deduction is not giving in the true sense of the word. It's - making money on someone else's back; a true conservative trait.
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It is a give back, you are correct there. But only of funds ALREADY paid. No money is made, there is no extra money involved except on the giving end. Write offs are limited.
 
Crovax said:
Its only "mutually beneficial" because we have created all these other programs to cover up for irresponsible behavior. Its like saying give me $5 so I wont steal $10, I still lose moey
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Schools will still educate unwanted children from unwanted pregnancies, prisons will still hold unwanted children from unwanted pregnancies, etc.

It's not just the cheap programs that they'll be using.
 
Crovax said:
Has an attempt been made for finding additional private funding?
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I don't know.

and just real quick - I might pick a republican over a dem if it's Hillary vs Rand Paul, or another candidate who says the right things and makes me believe them. the reason for that is that certain issues are more important than others depending on the election year. I usually vote based on social issues because I think economics will generally take care of themselves (I'm a free-market kind of person) but I think one really important issue next year will be government invasion of privacy, and I think since that issues is so important and I trust Rand Paul more than Hillary on that, I'd be willing to vote for him even though I my overall beliefs tend to align with the other party. I do that because I try to vote for who I think is the best candidate, and not because I want the blue team or the red team to win the game.
 
bg85 said:
I don't know.

and just real quick - I might pick a republican over a dem if it's Hillary vs Rand Paul, or another candidate who says the right things and makes me believe them. the reason for that is that certain issues are more important than others depending on the election year. I usually vote based on social issues because I think economics will generally take care of themselves (I'm a free-market kind of person) but I think one really important issue next year will be government invasion of privacy, and I think since that issues is so important and I trust Rand Paul more than Hillary on that, I'd be willing to vote for him even though I my overall beliefs tend to align with the other party. I do that because I try to vote for who I think is the best candidate, and not because I want the blue team or the red team to win the game.
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:rofl: so basically you will be voting democrat in 2016, Rand Paul wont win the GOP primary for the same reason that you would vote for him he doesnt line up with enough of the average GOP voter beliefs
 
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