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And the price of rice in China is $9.95 per CWT.

That kind of response response says it all frankly. It needs no further exposition. You don't care about the tens of thousands that will needlessly die this years in order to keep your guns safe . Got it !:thumbs:
 
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That kind of response response says it all frankly. It needs no further exposition. You don't care about the tens of thousands that will needlessly die this years in order to keep your guns safe . Got it !:thumbs:

LMAO! No comment on the numbers?

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I don't care what happened in the UK. The UK is its own beast with its own problems. And it has its unique advantages too. Your cops don't need probable cause. They can arrest on suspicion. While people are free in the UK...your police are FAR less restricted than our police are.

Ps...

Did you know that even the bottom end estimates of defensive uses of firearms is around 400,000. Interesting huh? Sure it doesn't happen to everyone, but it does happen. Myself? I was worried I was going to have shoot a dog who was going after a jogger. Was fortunate the dog was stopped by an electric fence.
 
LMAO! No comment on the numbers?

You've not commented on mine. Your murders will go up again this year just like they have every year since 2000. Nearly 4000 more will die this year than 15 years ago and thats a given

I don't care what happened in the UK. The UK is its own beast with its own problems. And it has its unique advantages too. Your cops don't need probable cause. They can arrest on suspicion. While people are free in the UK...your police are FAR less restricted than our police are.

I'd argue the opposite given the thousands your police kill every year . Here police killings are rare
 
You've not commented on mine. Your murders will go up again this year just like they have every year since 2000. Nearly 4000 more will die this year than 15 years ago and thats a given

You are misrepresenting facts because you know the facts make you wrong. The FACT is that our murder rate is down.

Can you dispute that our murder rate has gone down significantly since 2000? Yes or no?

I'd argue the opposite given the thousands your police kill every year . Here police killings are rare

:eyeroll:

Our police don't kill thousands. Bold face lie.
 
You are misrepresenting facts because you know the facts make you wrong. The FACT is that our murder rate is down.
Can you dispute that our murder rate has gone down significantly since 2000? Yes or no?

No given how notoriously unreliable your FBI figures usually are due to political interference

:eyeroll:

Our police don't kill thousands. Bold face lie.

Of course they do

Citizen Run Database Shows Over 1,000 People Killed by Cops in 2014 | The Free Thought Project
 
No given how notoriously unreliable your FBI figures usually are due to political interference



Of course they do

Citizen Run Database Shows Over 1,000 People Killed by Cops in 2014 | The Free Thought Project

LMAO!!! You trash it then you use it!!!! Not to mention your nation has terrible reporting methods...with one practice of not including minors in the reports. What a JOKE!! lol.

And 1000s means multiple. You have produced evidence against yourself. Lmao!!!

Are you tired of producing data that contradicts your argument?
 
I am not sure that the FBI stats can be 100% accurate, but its probably close.

As for the link posted to freethought project, it is very inaccurate. It links to another site with very questionable sources and some of the sources don't work, others show a police shooting, but doesn't end in an officer caused death. I have found one that ended with an officer being killed, and the suspect listed as the victim (without even being shot). He is currently charged with murder. I found these discrepancies just barely clicking around on that page.


edit: just found another one that a prisoner was killed in police custody by another criminal in the same holding cell..

2nd edit. just found a suicide on their list.

2 were killed by police not on duty. Not quite the same. I am going to stop now.
 
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I am not sure that the FBI stats can be 100% accurate, but its probably close.

As for the link posted to freethought project, it is very inaccurate. It links to another site with very questionable sources and some of the sources don't work, others show a police shooting, but doesn't end in an officer caused death. I have found one that ended with an officer being killed, and the suspect listed as the victim (without even being shot). He is currently charged with murder. I found these discrepancies just barely clicking around on that page.


edit: just found another one that a prisoner was killed in police custody by another criminal in the same holding cell..

2nd edit. just found a suicide on their list.

2 were killed by police not on duty. Not quite the same. I am going to stop now.

Amazing what happens when bad sources are read into.
 
Wow ! I guess that makes it alright then thats a relief ! Nothing to see here :lamo

Sometimes. Police shot a guy here not too long ago. He was trying to kill other people. Was that wrong?
 
Probably not if the perp was armed . They also shot a clearly unarmed guy who was running around naked. Was that wrong ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkX-UybXo_I

Police shoot armed people plenty. Sometimes they shoot someone who appears armed. But I can tell you that unarmed doesn't mean they aren't dangerous. I train martial arts. I've met plenty of dangerous unarmed people.
 
Police shoot armed people plenty. Sometimes they shoot someone who appears armed. But I can tell you that unarmed doesn't mean they aren't dangerous. I train martial arts. I've met plenty of dangerous unarmed people.

So shooting unarmed people is OK with you just in case they know self defence. Why don't other countries just shoot such people too or do tazers and mace sprays not work over there ?
 
So shooting unarmed people is OK with you just in case they know self defence. Why don't other countries just shoot such people too or do tazers and mace sprays not work over there ?

LMAO!!!

So I did a ride along with an officer recently. One of my questions for him was specifically "how many times have you used your taser?" His response was "once. And it didn't work. It didn't fire."

Typical ignorant response. You are expecting some kind of bull**** silver bullet cure. Tasers aren't phasers from frigging Star Trek. They frequently don't work. Common enough that a quick google search will tell anyone they certainly aren't dependable enough to risk your life trying to use it.

And spray? Anyone who has been exposed to the agent can tell you that a crackhead will fight through that.

And are you suggesting that an unarmed person is not potentially dangerous? Have you ever even sparred? Lmao!



Dude. This is hilarious. You clearly have 0 knowledge of law enforcement, the tools they use, or how a physical confrontation ACTUALLY works.
 
LMAO!!!

So I did a ride along with an officer recently. One of my questions for him was specifically "how many times have you used your taser?" His response was "once. And it didn't work. It didn't fire."

Typical ignorant response. You are expecting some kind of bull**** silver bullet cure. Tasers aren't phasers from frigging Star Trek. They frequently don't work. Common enough that a quick google search will tell anyone they certainly aren't dependable enough to risk your life trying to use it.

And spray? Anyone who has been exposed to the agent can tell you that a crackhead will fight through that.

And are you suggesting that an unarmed person is not potentially dangerous? Have you ever even sparred? Lmao!

Dude. This is hilarious. You clearly have 0 knowledge of law enforcement, the tools they use, or how a physical confrontation ACTUALLY works.

So you are OK with police just shooting unarmed people then ? Gotcha :thumbs:
 
Why is lethal response automatically your first and only response to an unarmed individual ?

Did I say that? Quote me. Don't lie about my position please. That discredits you.

But quote where I said it should be a first response. Please. I will wait here while you look for it. But while your at it...can you tell me if an unarmed person can be a lethal threat?
 
Did I say that? Quote me. Don't lie about my position please. That discredits you.

But quote where I said it should be a first response. Please. I will wait here while you look for it. But while your at it...can you tell me if an unarmed person can be a lethal threat?

I suppose if they are versed in unarmed combat yes. I'd wager the great majority of unarmed people your cops kill aren't. In the US you prefer shoot first and ask questions later and you seem to like it that way
 
I suppose if they are versed in unarmed combat yes. I'd wager the great majority of unarmed people your cops kill aren't. In the US you prefer shoot first and ask questions later and you seem to like it that way

I knew how to fight before I took a class. Throws a wrench in that.

Now.

Why haven't you quoted me as saying we should shoot first?
 
I knew how to fight before I took a class. Throws a wrench in that.

Now.

Why haven't you quoted me as saying we should shoot first?

You are OK with shooting unarmed people and you certainly didn't deny it when asked ..... twice !
 
You are OK with shooting unarmed people and you certainly didn't deny it when asked ..... twice !

You accused me of this:

Why is lethal response automatically your first and only response to an unarmed individual ?

I didn't say that. I'm waiting for a quote where I said it was our first and only response. You haven't done that yet. Now you are avoiding answering it.

Why don't you just admit I didn't say that?
 
You accused me of this:

I didn't say that. I'm waiting for a quote where I said it was our first and only response. You haven't done that yet. Now you are avoiding answering it.

Why don't you just admit I didn't say that?

By your non reply the inference was clear enough
 
By your non reply the inference was clear enough

I gave you a reply. I asked you where I said that. You STILL haven't quoted me. I'm waiting. Or were you lying about my position?

That is called a strawman. It is intellectual dishonesty used as a crutch by people with no debate skills.
 
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