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Shot NYPD cop dies

RIGHT now I am sure I could find a gun in the UK. I know at least one person with an arrest record over there. Petty crap from when he was a teenager. But he grew up in a rough area in the northern part of England. He knew people who had guns. Wouldn't be that hard to buy one.

They have rifle shooters there. And shotguns. They have legal gun ownership. It is really strict to the point of impossible. But something tells me if I REALLY knew where to look I could find one with one of those people too lol.

Actually...in real time12:14 am

Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you | UK news | The Guardian

12:14am lol! Less than a minute I found a google post about how easy it is to get a gun lol. I wish I could get a webley for $150

gun banners never admit that England never had much gun crime BEFORE they started banning guns. why was that needed? as the number of legal guns in the USA goes up, our gun crime goes down

as the number of legal pistols in England decreased violence went up

hmmm
 
Circling the wagons and waving a flag at me does not diminish the facts. Had that felon not had a gun it is almost certain that police officer would be alive today as would dozens of others who are yet to be slain this year

where you completely and totally fail is saying "IF THE FELON HAD NOT HAD A GUN" is the same as pushing more gun laws

you gun banners cannot establish one would lead to the other

your goal is to disarm honest people and to pretend that will keep someone willing to face the consequences of murdering a cop is just plain idiotic
 
where you completely and totally fail is saying "IF THE FELON HAD NOT HAD A GUN" is the same as pushing more gun laws

And ....

you gun banners cannot establish one would lead to the other

Well establishing the opposite isn't too difficult

your goal is to disarm honest people and to pretend that will keep someone willing to face the consequences of murdering a cop is just plain idiotic

So are you saying that your society is therefore safer when such felons retain such easy access to firearms then ?
 
So are you saying that your society is therefore safer when such felons retain such easy access to firearms then ?

Your trust in the eagerness of violent criminals to obey gun laws is touching.
 
When what few laws you do have are so easy for them to get around then why should they worry ?

But once there are strict gun laws the felons will scrupulously abide by them, right?
 
No it won't. And experience shows that.

The facts differ.

In Europe gun killings are around 40 - 50 times lower per capita than the US due to far more stringent gun control. Police shootings are as a consequence very rare
 
The facts differ.

In Europe gun killings are around 40 - 50 times lower per capita than the US due to far more stringent gun control. Police shootings are as a consequence very rare

Police shootings are not more rare in Europe. You simply don't know the facts.

In most European countries with very strict gun laws it is perfectly easy for criminals to get illegal guns.
 
I didn't say it couldn't be done. I said it was illegal. YOU said it wasn't. You were wrong.

So do you think its a good thing that criminals like the one in the OP find it so simple to bypass what minimal laws you have enabling them to kill police officers so easily ?
 
I'm saying that by any measure such free and unmonitored access to firearms makes your society far less safe and that the police officer in the OP would doubtless be alive today were that not the case. Its not that difficult really

Prove it ;)

You don't understand the problem do you? Do you live in America? Are you a frequent visitor to impoverished areas? Have you watched the news? The increase in officer deaths isn't caused by guns. It is caused by ignorant scumbags who are nothing but murderers and the culture that not only fosters that behavior, but also encourages it and hides it from those who would bring them to justice.

Our drug trade created this. Our drug laws don't work. And blah blah blah.

I carry a gun every day. I'm safe. Your argument is invalid.
 
Police shootings are not more rare in Europe. You simply don't know the facts.

Don't let me stop you furnishing me with them then because I call BS on that claim

In most European countries with very strict gun laws it is perfectly easy for criminals to get illegal guns.

The opposite is in fact the case. Whilst its not impossible for criminals to get a gun in most of Europe its extremely difficult and prohibitively expensive for them to do so, hence their far lower gun crime rates
 
Don't let me stop you furnishing me with them then



The opposite is in fact the case. Whilst its not impossible for criminals to get a gun its extremely difficult and prohibitively expensive for them to do so, hence their far lower gun crime rates

You have no idea what you are talking about. The going rate for a kalashnikov here in Brussels is very cheap.
 

You are kidding yourself if you think I'm just about to repost everything I already have on this thread confirming it

You don't understand the problem do you? Do you live in America? Are you a frequent visitor to impoverished areas? Have you watched the news? The increase in officer deaths isn't caused by guns. It is caused by ignorant scumbags who are nothing but murderers and the culture that not only fosters that behavior, but also encourages it and hides it from those who would bring them to justice.

And the easy access to guns makes the killing of those officers that much easier

Our drug trade created this. Our drug laws don't work. And blah blah blah.

Did you know the UK has a worse per capita drug problem than the US ?

List of countries by prevalence of opiates use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So simply blaming your gun killings on drug abuse can't be it

I carry a gun every day. I'm safe. Your argument is invalid.

If you keep that gun in your home you are in fact seven times more likely to see death or injury to you or your family than from any intruder
 
You have no idea what you are talking about. The going rate for a kalashnikov here in Brussels is very cheap.

Really ? You've yet to provide a shred of evidence for your claims

How many Kalashnikovs did Belgian criminals use in committing crime last year ?
 
How many Kalashnikovs did Belgian criminals use in committing crime last year ?

Quite a few actually. But also criminals from neighbouring countries also sometimes come to buy here. While prices for illegal kalashnikovs in most French and Dutch cities are between 1.000 and 1.500 euros they can be easily bought for anything between 500 and 1.000 euros here (there have been examples of them going as low as 200). Illegal handguns are of course much cheaper.
 
Quite a few actually. But also criminals from neighbouring countries also sometimes come to buy here. While prices for illegal kalashnikovs in most French and Dutch cities are between 1.000 and 1.500 euros they can be easily bought for anything between 500 and 1.000 euros here (there have been examples of them going as low as 200). Illegal handguns are of course much cheaper.

Quite a few Kalashnikovs eh ? Please cite an example ?
 
Quite a few Kalashnikovs eh ? Please cite an example ?

Well, currently the major criminal gangs in the major Dutch cities are busy eliminating a bit of the competition and using kalashnikovs for that. Of course kalashnikovs bought in Belgium werre also used in France earlier this year in january. Same with the use of a kalashnikov in the attack against the jewish museum in Brussels last summer. ... I could go on, but these are a few examples just off the top of my head.
 
Just ****ing answer the question. stop dodging.

More gun control = less gun crime and there has been plenty posted on this thread confirming that already. Wrapping yourselves in flags and long since obsolete 18th century diktat doesn't change that fact

Why do you guys need dragged kicking and screaming from A to B just to what is the blatantly obvious ?
 
More gun control = less gun crime and there has been plenty posted on this thread confirming that already. Wrapping yourselves in flags and long since obsolete 18th century diktat doesn't change that fact

Why do you guys need dragged kicking and screaming from A to B just to what is the blatantly obvious ?



Another dodge... what is "more control" what does that mean, specifically?

What do you do with legal gun owners now?


It's such a simple question that your ilk always seem to have trouble answering.
 
Well, currently the major criminal gangs in the major Dutch cities are busy eliminating a bit of the competition and using kalashnikovs for that. Of course kalashnikovs bought in Belgium werre also used in France earlier this year in january. Same with the use of a kalashnikov in the attack against the jewish museum in Brussels last summer. ... I could go on, but these are a few examples just off the top of my head.

Islamic fundamentalism is hardly representative of criminal behaviour in Europe. Neither was the IRA nor ETTA
 
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