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Shot NYPD cop dies

Yes yes yes of course its not a weapon its just a 'tool' for moving little pieces of lead from place to place at very high velocity ! Unfortunately people just get in the way of them sometimes :lol:

Who said it wasn't a weapon? No one. A weapon is a tool however. It has no life of its own. It cannot shoot itself. It cannot move itself. A PERSON has to be behind a gun for it to do ANYTHING. When are you going to start blaming people and not an inanimate object?
 
Undoubtedly had the criminal not found it so easy to access a firearm in the first place this officer would still be alive today :(

Your thinking is flawed. The guy that shot the cop was a serial felon. He had already served time for attempted murder in 2000 when he shot at a man he just robbed at gun point. The group of s***holes he runs with makes it real easy to obtain a gun. The criminal doesn't give a s*** about who he hurts or how many laws he has to break to get what he wants. A criminal mind will steal a gun if that is what he needs and kill someone in the process to get it. Gun owners who lock their arms up and keep their ammunition stored separately are victims of theft from criminals like this piece of crap.

My interest is wanting to find out if Demetrius Blackwell ever had a daddy around to teach him how to be a real man. I'm wondering the same thing about the 4 they arrested in Mississippi over the weekend that killed the two cops. I know all the officers that were killed had daddies that did.
 
Your thinking is flawed. The guy that shot the cop was a serial felon. He had already served time for attempted murder in 2000 when he shot at a man he just robbed at gun point.

Yet despite that he could still access a weapon easily

The group of s***holes he runs with makes it real easy to obtain a gun.

Either that or he merely sent a friend or relative out to quite legally buy one for him under their name

The criminal doesn't give a s*** about who he hurts or how many laws he has to break to get what he wants.

And a gun makes that so much easier for him

A criminal mind will steal a gun if that is what he needs and kill someone in the process to get it.

Oh its far simpler than that as I already explained

Gun owners who lock their arms up and keep their ammunition stored separately are victims of theft from criminals like this piece of crap.

I seriously doubt that is how most criminals acquire their firearms when they can acquire them far more safely via a legal third party. Once the serial number is filed off afterwards who's to know where the gun came from or what it was used for ?
 
Yet despite that he could still access a weapon easily



Either that or he merely sent a friend or relative out to quite legally buy one for him under their name



And a gun makes that so much easier for him



Oh its far simpler than that as I already explained



I seriously doubt that is how most criminals acquire their firearms when they can acquire them far more safely via a legal third party. Once the serial number is filed off afterwards who's to know where the gun came from or what it was used for ?

ABOUT 1.4 MILLION GUNS STOLEN DURING HOUSEHOLD BURGLARIES
AND OTHER PROPERTY CRIMES FROM 2005 THROUGH 2010

And that is relatively old stats.

1.4 million guns in the wrong hands can do a lot of damage. But isn't that the intent of a criminal mind?

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm
 
ABOUT 1.4 MILLION GUNS STOLEN DURING HOUSEHOLD BURGLARIES
AND OTHER PROPERTY CRIMES FROM 2005 THROUGH 2010

And that is relatively old stats.

1.4 million guns in the wrong hands can do a lot of damage. But isn't that the intent of a criminal mind?

Bureau of Justice Statistics Firearms Stolen during Household Burglaries and Other Property Crimes, 2005-2010

I don't doubt that may well be true, but when its far easier and safer to acquire them via legal third parties I'd wager this 1.4 million figure is but a drop in the bucket by comparison
 
Yet despite that he could still access a weapon easily



Either that or he merely sent a friend or relative out to quite legally buy one for him under their name



And a gun makes that so much easier for him



Oh its far simpler than that as I already explained



I seriously doubt that is how most criminals acquire their firearms when they can acquire them far more safely via a legal third party. Once the serial number is filed off afterwards who's to know where the gun came from or what it was used for ?

OMG!!!

You can't legally buy a gun for someone else!! That is a straw purchase and is a felony!!!
 
I don't doubt that may well be true, but when its far easier and safer to acquire them via legal third parties I'd wager this 1.4 million figure is but a drop in the bucket by comparison

That is a felony. It ISNT legal! Dude. If you are going to trash the 2a...at least learn the existing legislation. Oh. And the laws differ in all 50 states. But what you just described is a felony in all states.

Do you even know how the purchase of a firearm works?
 
For you protecting guns is far more important than protecting lives. Its the casual indifference to the consequences of that mindset in the face of all the data that is so incomprehensible

nonsense. for you your goal is to punish people who don't buy into your irrational fear of armed citizens. People who are not willing to make the defense of themselves and their families a personal duty are cowards and those who are willing to outsource that duty to the government really aren't men

and lets get back to the idiotic claim that if the USA had adopted the silly British bedwetting after Dunblane, a man willing to murder a police officer couldn't have done so
 
That is a felony. It ISNT legal! Dude. If you are going to trash the 2a...at least learn the existing legislation. Oh. And the laws differ in all 50 states. But what you just described is a felony in all states.

Do you even know how the purchase of a firearm works?

His argument is that if we banned all handguns and jailed anyone who did not comply, there is no way someone with a 5 foot long rap sheet (and who isn't concerned about paying the price for committing first degree murder of a cop) could have obtained a pistol. Look at the drug laws-we have completely banned crack, cocaine, and heroin and jail anyone caught with that stuff. as a result, no one can buy or smoke crack in the USA

sarcasm off
 
And around 50 cops per year on average .

Out of just under 1 million cops. Dangerous job...I should know, its my profession.

Wouldnt blame the guns though, I blame the criminals. Its funny....I went through 4 years of criminal justice courses, police academy, and 4 years of being a LEO...and not ONCE have a heard anyone say that more gun laws would make us safer. Youre telling me that empty suits in DC know better than boots on the ground?
 
Out of just under 1 million cops. Dangerous job...I should know, its my profession.

Wouldnt blame the guns though, I blame the criminals. Its funny....I went through 4 years of criminal justice courses, police academy, and 4 years of being a LEO...and not ONCE have a heard anyone say that more gun laws would make us safer. Youre telling me that empty suits in DC know better than boots on the ground?

back when Janet Reno was the AG, she commissioned a poll of sworn LEOs about the CLinton gun laws-the brady bill (waiting period/background check) and the silly "assault weapon ban". She was hoping this poll would support the two laws that even Clinton admitted probably cost his party the senate and the house in the 1994 elections.

well guess what-more than 90% of the respondents were opposed to both laws: the AWB was less popular than the Brady bill. But in both cases, the street officers were rather underwhelming in their support. I know this for a fact because a copy of this study was left in the mail room of our office: the clinton appointed US attorney apparently figured no one would care. But guess what, that study was never made public. I wonder why :mrgreen:
 
back when Janet Reno was the AG, she commissioned a poll of sworn LEOs about the CLinton gun laws-the brady bill (waiting period/background check) and the silly "assault weapon ban". She was hoping this poll would support the two laws that even Clinton admitted probably cost his party the senate and the house in the 1994 elections.

well guess what-more than 90% of the respondents were opposed to both laws: the AWB was less popular than the Brady bill. But in both cases, the street officers were rather underwhelming in their support. I know this for a fact because a copy of this study was left in the mail room of our office: the clinton appointed US attorney apparently figured no one would care. But guess what, that study was never made public. I wonder why :mrgreen:

Not much has changed.

PoliceOne's Gun Control Survey: 11 key lessons from officers' perspectives
 
His argument is that if we banned all handguns and jailed anyone who did not comply, there is no way someone with a 5 foot long rap sheet (and who isn't concerned about paying the price for committing first degree murder of a cop) could have obtained a pistol. Look at the drug laws-we have completely banned crack, cocaine, and heroin and jail anyone caught with that stuff. as a result, no one can buy or smoke crack in the USA

sarcasm off

RIGHT now I am sure I could find a gun in the UK. I know at least one person with an arrest record over there. Petty crap from when he was a teenager. But he grew up in a rough area in the northern part of England. He knew people who had guns. Wouldn't be that hard to buy one.

They have rifle shooters there. And shotguns. They have legal gun ownership. It is really strict to the point of impossible. But something tells me if I REALLY knew where to look I could find one with one of those people too lol.

Actually...in real time12:14 am

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/30/ukcrime1

12:14am lol! Less than a minute I found a google post about how easy it is to get a gun lol. I wish I could get a webley for $150
 
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OMG!!!

You can't legally buy a gun for someone else!! That is a straw purchase and is a felony!!!

That is a felony. It ISNT legal! Dude. If you are going to trash the 2a...at least learn the existing legislation. Oh. And the laws differ in all 50 states. But what you just described is a felony in all states.

You are being wilfully obtuse there I think. Obviously they would not tell the gun shop they were buying it for somebody else. Once the serial number is removed after purchase whos to say who bought it and why. You don't monitor firearms anyway hence it would be very easy to do. Why would any felon ever need to steal a gun under such a system :roll:
 
nonsense. for you your goal is to punish people who don't buy into your irrational fear of armed citizens. People who are not willing to make the defense of themselves and their families a personal duty are cowards and those who are willing to outsource that duty to the government really aren't men

and lets get back to the idiotic claim that if the USA had adopted the silly British bedwetting after Dunblane, a man willing to murder a police officer couldn't have done so

Circling the wagons and waving a flag at me does not diminish the facts. Had that felon not had a gun it is almost certain that police officer would be alive today as would dozens of others who are yet to be slain this year
 
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Out of just under 1 million cops. Dangerous job...I should know, its my profession.

Wouldnt blame the guns though, I blame the criminals. Its funny....I went through 4 years of criminal justice courses, police academy, and 4 years of being a LEO...and not ONCE have a heard anyone say that more gun laws would make us safer. Youre telling me that empty suits in DC know better than boots on the ground?

You lose on average an officer per week to shooting so thats a difficult claim to substantiate given the extreme rarity of such events in other developed nations
 
You are being wilfully obtuse there I think. Obviously they would not tell the gun shop they were buying it for somebody else. Once the serial number is removed after purchase whos to say who bought it and why. You don't monitor firearms anyway hence it would be very easy to do. Why would any felon ever need to steal a gun under such a system :roll:

No. You are either deliberately lying about how the process works, or you are commenting without knowledge. It doesn't matter what they say. It is still a felony and claimed it was legal.
 
You lose on average an officer per week to shooting so thats a difficult claim to substantiate given the extreme rarity of such events in other developed nations

Police officers being killed in the line of duty is not that rare.
 
BS

Firearms murders in the UK in 2012 were 30. In the US they were 8,855

30 Murders by Firearm in England 2012 (equiv. 164), vs. 8,855 in US | Informed Comment

Thats a per capita gun murder rate in the US some 53 times than that of the UK. UK gun murders have fallen dramatically since 2001 when 96 such cases were recorded

That wasn't the point. The point was that getting a gun wouldn't be that hard. You don't seem to get that. Plus:

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf

Your people use knives.

If access to firearms caused murder we would have far more. You don't get it do you? Your number accounts for .02% of firearms owners. And per gun? .002% of all firearms are used in a murder.

You are claiming that access causes murder? With percentages that low?
 
No. You are either deliberately lying about how the process works, or you are commenting without knowledge. It doesn't matter what they say. It is still a felony and claimed it was legal.

Prove what I'm saying cannot be done then ?
 
That wasn't the point. The point was that getting a gun wouldn't be that hard. You don't seem to get that. Plus:

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf

Your people use knives.

If access to firearms caused murder we would have far more. You don't get it do you? Your number accounts for .02% of firearms owners. And per gun? .002% of all firearms are used in a murder.

You are claiming that access causes murder? With percentages that low?

I'm saying that by any measure such free and unmonitored access to firearms makes your society far less safe and that the police officer in the OP would doubtless be alive today were that not the case. Its not that difficult really
 
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