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Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

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Islam used to be the intellectual and economic power in the world. While Christians were burning heretics, Islam was warmly welcoming other points of view. Do you know what happened? Islamic intellectuals decided that intellectual pursuits and critical thinking weren't important parts of Islam. As a culture they stopped questioning and just started to accept things. Now almost 2 billion Muslims live in arguable the most backward parts of the world. This isn't jingoism, it's measurable. The islamic world produces very little intellectual capital for its size.

What happened to the Muslim golden age was the Mongol invasion. The Monastic orders of Europe were also responsible in the Middle Ages for protecting much of the ancient knowledge we know today.

In the US we're in danger of going down the same path. And that's because it's becoming fashionable not to question anything.

The only place I see that happening is in the Global Warming debate.

***THINK***** Every single Islamic terrorist attack makes the news. Right wing attacks don't.

False. They are all reported, there just aren't nearly as many right wing attacks as Islamic attacks.

The country is less than 1% Muslim, it's more than 30% right wing. Simple math would tell that even if Muslims are much more likely to be terrorists, there just aren't enough to account for right wingers becoming terrorists at a lesser rate.

A poor use of statistics. The country is 30% right wing and 1% Muslim so there SHOULD be 30 times the number of "right wing" terrorist attacks if they are equally capable of generating terror attacks.... but the truth is that there are far more Islamic terror attacks than Right Wing terror attacks and that is using the very dubious rule of thumb that all home grown terrorists with a problem with Government are right wing.

So the evidence of right wingers becoming terrorists at a lesser rate is that there are fewer right wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists even though there are 30 times more right wingers.

Furthermore, just look at the average conservative posting. In this thread alone there are a dozen posts wishing violent harm on other people.

And? Wishing harm on a guy intent on blowing up a building full of Americans isn't terrorism.

Right wing thought has become laced full of hate with very little introspection.

Haha! Oh irony. Your "I hate the haters" gambit defeats itself because you fail to be even a little introspective.

And when you really think about it, there's very little difference between that and the thinking of radical Islamists (exuding the very few who actually carry out attacks).

There is little difference between you and right wingers because you hate each other... you are both infinitely better than the Islamic radical that wants to behead you and rape your children.



And this isn't just a right wing thing, left wing environmentalists do the same thing, there are just fewer of them to pull from.

Which isn't true, either, but again, even if the environmentalists are a small group compared to right wingers they have an inordinate number of terror attacks under their belts.

So if you want to help keep this country from falling off into irrelevance, then take off the blinders and think! Don't take my word for anything, just look it up! Figure out how there could be more Islamic terrorists on US soil. Figure out what that actually means, how you could actually measure it, what that would imply!

Your "wake up sheeple" gambit is not better informed than your "I hate the haters" gambit.
 
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To piss off Muslims. That's plainly obvious.
And you're convinced we shouldn't do that, right? Is that why the leftists are so silent on the murders of Gays by Muslims while making a fuss about a hypothetical case about a pizza parlor in Indiana? Why they seldom complain about honor killings, stoning women, murdering Christians, and so on?

The left prefers silence on these issues so as not to 'piss off Muslims'. We know that and understand that.
 
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Why do conservatives pretend they are the defenders of the politically incorrect all of a sudden? Is it because they really don't understand the difference between being politically incorrect and being a bigot?

Also, there is nothing politically incorrect in this country about Muslim bashing. A person can go on national tv and scream bomb them at the top of their lungs. People like Sam Harris and Bill Maher can spew vile bigotry as often as they like without discursive repercussion. On the other hand, go criticize the troops some time. Now there is a subject where political correctness has silenced any dissent and surprise surprise, look who is leading the charge of political correctness...... It certainly isn't "the left."

PC is just a means of censorship, introduced and yielded by the left.

And I do agree-the left does want to speak poorly of the troops, they should be more vocal about it, instead of hiding.
 
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Geller and her stooges are the first perpetrators.
The intended victims are guilty, huh? Islamists drive across the country to murder innocent people attending this private venue and the terrorists have your sympathy, huh? Odd.
 
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The headlines of the video



They're shocked that Anjem Choudary would say something like that? I'd be shocked if he didn't come out with such hateful extreme views because he's been ranting and raving like this for years. They clearly have no idea who this individual is or they woldn't be shocked by the garbage that comes out of his mouth.

Complete and utter nutjob. He's been discussed extensively over in the EU Forum (He's British) and in my four years here as a DP Member and I can't ever recall anyone having a reasonable word to say about him. Quite the opposite. He's a whacko.
All true, but a whacko with a following.
 
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Wow. Gays, lesbians, anyone who makes fun of Islam and anyone who rejects Islam should be put to death.....

But.... let's keep talking about how Pamela Geller is hateful, eh?

Isn't the dichotomy of the left striking?

The funny thing is they aren't sure which is worse, Geller or Islamists.
 
Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

The headlines of the video



They're shocked that Anjem Choudary would say something like that? I'd be shocked if he didn't come out with such hateful extreme views because he's been ranting and raving like this for years. They clearly have no idea who this individual is or they woldn't be shocked by the garbage that comes out of his mouth.

Complete and utter nutjob. He's been discussed extensively over in the EU Forum (He's British) and in my four years here as a DP Member and I can't ever recall anyone having a reasonable word to say about him. Quite the opposite. He's a whacko.

He's NOT a nutjob, you are diminishing the problem when you try to assign it to mental illness.
The man is logical and rational in his own way-and its a belief held by hundreds of millions.

We should be thankful for people like him-in that he will come out and say what he thinks rather than hide behind PC crap.

Real people really feel as he does-thats a problem.
 
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Isn't the dichotomy of the left striking?

The funny thing is they aren't sure which is worse, Geller or Islamists.
Yes, they're all about circling the wagons and shooting inwards. They needn't be water-boarded to give it all away. Just the slightest threat will encourage them to ban all and any criticism of Islam, despite its record. Much the same is happening in Europe also.
 
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They're shocked that Anjem Choudary would say something like that? I'd be shocked if he didn't come out with such hateful extreme views because he's been ranting and raving like this for years. They clearly have no idea who this individual is or they woldn't be shocked by the garbage that comes out of his mouth.

Yeah, remember that time that Pamela Geller and her followers tried to blow up his mosque?

Me either.
 
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And you're convinced we shouldn't do that, right? Is that why the leftists are so silent on the murders of Gays by Muslims while making a fuss about a hypothetical case about a pizza parlor in Indiana? Why they seldom complain about honor killings, stoning women, murdering Christians, and so on?

The left prefers silence on these issues so as not to 'piss off Muslims'. We know that and understand that.

This is evident on its face.

And to the left, an Indiana pizza restaurant is actually worse. Talk about warped thinking.
 
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Yes, they're all about circling the wagons and shooting inwards. They needn't be water-boarded to give it all away. Just the slightest threat will encourage them to ban all and any criticism of Islam, despite its record. Much the same is happening in Europe also.

This is why the left is the target of terrorist propaganda, they know who will surrender/fold like its cool and its not conservatives.
 
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What happened to the Muslim golden age was the Mongol invasion. The Monastic orders of Europe were also responsible in the Middle Ages for protecting much of the ancient knowledge we know today.



The only place I see that happening is in the Global Warming debate.



False. They are all reported, there just aren't nearly as many right wing attacks as Islamic attacks.



A poor use of statistics. The country is 30% right wing and 1% Muslim so there SHOULD be 30 times the number of "right wing" terrorist attacks if they are equally capable of generating terror attacks.... but the truth is that there are far more Islamic terror attacks than Right Wing terror attacks and that is using the very dubious rule of thumb that all home grown terrorists with a problem with Government are right wing.

So the evidence of right wingers becoming terrorists at a lesser rate is that there are fewer right wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists even though there are 30 times more right wingers.



And? Wishing harm on a guy intent on blowing up a building full of Americans isn't terrorism.



Haha! Oh irony. Your "I hate the haters" gambit defeats itself because you fail to be even a little introspective.



There is little difference between you and right wingers because you hate each other... you are both infinitely better than the Islamic radical that wants to behead you and rape your children.





Which isn't true, either, but again, even if the environmentalists are a small group compared to right wingers they have an inordinate number of terror attacks under their belts.



Your "wake up sheeple" gambit is not better informed than your "I hate the haters" gambit.

And you provide nothing but personal attacks in response. Show some evidence! Think for yourself! The data is out there.

Kohn: Since 9/11, right-wing extremists killed more Americans than Islamic extremists | PunditFact

There are obviously far more islamic terrorists worldwide, but on US soil there are more right wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists.. largely because there are so few Muslims and so many right wingers.

And yes, if both Muslims and right wingers became terrorists at the same rate there would be 30x more right wing terrorists. Obviously they don't. Muslims are probably something like 10-15x more likely to be a terrorist than a right winger, meaning that there are still 2-3x more right wing terrorists than islamic terrorists...

Finally to pull this back to the original point.... We're not scared of right wing terrorists, so why should we be scared of islamic terrorists on US soil? There are more pressing problems.
 
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And you provide nothing but personal attacks in response. Show some evidence! Think for yourself! The data is out there.

I showed you the list of terrorist attacks by Muslims.


And again, if your argument is "if you discount 9/11, right wingers look worse than Islamists!" I will both laugh at you and point out the intellectual dishonesty of ignoring 9/11 in order to skew your statistics. I have shown the number of terror attacks by Islamists since 9/11, and you respond with "evidence" that only says your claim is "half true"! They give her a half true because the labeling of right wing and Islamic attacks in her source were subjective (and I would add that the source was biased and their compilation was agenda driven)

So do you make it a habit of distributing half truths as facts?


There are obviously far more islamic terrorists worldwide, but on US soil there are more right wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists.. largely because there are so few Muslims and so many right wingers.

False. Nothing you have provided would indicate this to be true. Certainly the number of attempts and successes (regardless of success) leans heavily towards more Islamic terrorists.

And yes, if both Muslims and right wingers became terrorists at the same rate there would be 30x more right wing terrorists. Obviously they don't. Muslims are probably something like 10-15x more likely to be a terrorist than a right winger, meaning that there are still 2-3x more right wing terrorists than islamic terrorists...

You are pulling numbers out of thin air. But at least we can agree that a Muslim is far more likely to become a terrorist! Baby steps.

Finally to pull this back to the original point.... We're not scared of right wing terrorists, so why should we be scared of islamic terrorists on US soil? There are more pressing problems.

We aren't scared because there are not very many of them. Obviously you are more scared than I am as you have amassed a whole series of phony statistics to validate your position that right wingers are a threat.
 
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But the majority, the huge majority of Muslims are not monsters. That there are idiots burning books, idiots destroying holy sites, etc. etc. etc. does not say anything about the right of the hundreds of millions non-terrorists from complaining about insulting images of their prophet. You keep stating things about terrorists (who have indeed lost the right to complain about anything) but all the non-terrorists have rights too. Now we may not have to do anything with that but let's not pretend we are doing this to protect the right of free speech. We do this to protect the right of thumbing our nose at the feelings of others, which is fine if you want to do that, but let us be honest about it.

If someone insults the United States (as a foreigner) or has criticism of the USA as an American he/she will be attacked with fervor. And that criticism can be almost very extreme and very vitriolic. That is something that seems to be the norm.



Yes, giving my opinion is whining :roll:

I don't cherry pick, I do not like offending anyone's religion. But when Family guy does an episode they are doing it in the form of humor and they do it against anyone and the same goes for South Park. The problem is that many of these "freedom of speech means I can paint whatever picture of Mohammed I want" supporters go insane when you criticize something they support or believe in. That is the way most people react.

And sorry, but there are many people (and in some countries that number goes up and up) who think all religious books are works of fiction. I am not going to compare it to Harry Potter books because I am a Potter fan ;)
When you leftists can show the same respect for all other religions that you all do for Islam then you all can demand that we shouldn't offend Muslims.Until then you have no room to complain about someone drawing a Islamic religious figure.
 
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Well, she succeeded. Two dead terrorists.

I think she or others like her should do this all over the country. It could be like how a bait car is used to catch car thieves.This could be used to catch terrorists.
 
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Gotta love the media doing its part.

In about a week, gruberites are gonna know two things-Pam Geller bad, two people died.

Who knows whats after that-maybe "terrorists lives matter" rallies?

IF the media was honest they wouldn't whine about how we shouldn't offend terrorists.Instead they would show the religious and historical sites these terrorists have destroyed every time ISIS whines about someone offending their prophet.They would show the people they committed genocide against every time they whined about someone insulting Islam.The media would be pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of these animals.
 
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Your reply is non-responsive and nonsense.

This doesn't have to do with sharia law, it's about angering Muslims to draw an act. It worked somewhat, perhaps she'll have her preferred results next time. You ever get tired of being on the wrong side of every issue?
 
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The only ones responsible for shooting anyone on this occasion were the terrorists.

Wow, you think you just said something profound?
 
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That was a question addressed to your claim. Perhaps you should read it again.

A rhetorical question, Muslim hater.
 
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Then where is the problem and why use those adjectives?

What more is there to say to a bigot that doesn't know when he has offended an entire group on the actions of a few. Its a lost cause with you.
 
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The intended victims are guilty, huh? Islamists drive across the country to murder innocent people attending this private venue and the terrorists have your sympathy, huh? Odd.

Idiots that poke a stick at a tiger are not victims. Once again Grant, your hate of an entire group of people over the few extremists is what's blurred you all along. And the fact that you support the Neanderthals that line up with their crayons and paper like adolescents to provoke violence is evidence that you are a danger, just like the ass holes that think what they did was cute in Garland.
 
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