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Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

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Her purpose was likely to demonstrate, once again, how backward and simple-minded many Muslims are, and in a number of areas.

Many know their attitudes toward women, Gays, education, dress, adultery, and so on and now more people will understand their response to any perceived 'provocation'.

Yes, this was a predictable Muslim response and Geller knows her subject well, as most of us do. And of course it could have been much worse. But these two Muslims were intent on murdering innocent people somewhere and had they not been shot dead in Garland their lives may have ended only after they had murdered many other innocent people elsewhere..

There is enough evidence without creating more though... right?
 
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Nope. Sorry. There's no place for Constitutional compromise on this. The slope is too slippery and we're already half way down.

The more we, all of us, unabashedly exercise our rights the less anyone will be inclined to think they can forcibly persuade us not to.
I agree.

Irrespective of my personal feelings on this, I unequivocally stand behind my fellow American's desire to exercise their right to free speech - period.

We're family, and we stick together for each other firstly.

(but also as family, I tell them when I think the're wrong, too)
 
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Yes, why worry about the feelings of others when we can behave like morons/Muslim haters purely because there are some idiots in the Middle East who do bad things.

And there are more than just terrorists that live in that region or that can and will be offended by such depictions.

Again if these monsters in the middle east have no problem committing genocide against other groups of people, burning their religious books and destroying their holy sites then no one should give a rats ass about someone holding a lets draw their religious figure contest. The terrorist ball licking of how we shouldn't offend them should stop. These terrorists lost the right to complain about someone insulting their religion when they themselves insult other people's religions on a daily bases. This we shouldn't do something that offends these terrorists is nothing more than butt smooching the terrorists or tossing the salad (anal oral sex) of terrorists.

Mock religion is one thing. You can mock Mohammed without depicting him. And I said doing it in a relevant situation fine, but make a contest in offending someone's religion is in poor taste.

And homosexual social commentary is offensive to Christians? Really? I was not aware that everything gay is offensive to Christians but I guess Christian feelings are more important than Muslim feelings.

You are going to whine how we shouldn't offending Muslims then you really have no room to cherry pick over what you can or can't do is offensive to other religions. Many of these things the left does to mock religious views of Christians is just as offensive as the depiction of Mohamed is to Muslims. It doesn't matter if you are doing to make a buck or hold a contest or because you think their religious book is no different than a Harry Potter book.
 
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Where on earth would you get that idea? The mention of chemical and biological attacks/plots is important because those have the potential to cause the most harm. And there have been 12 such right wing plots and 1 left wing plots on US soil. Obviously conventional attacks are also important.

And I did provide an accurate accounting, even though I did not record every single terrorist attack. The point isn't that Islamic terrorism isn't a threat, the point is that hyperventilating about the threat because of the attacks in Texas is ridiculous. There's more of a threat from right wing terrorist organizations (and left wing environmental terrorists as well).

No, sorry, you don't get to back away from your stupid claim that there are more right wing terrorists. It's false. Patently false. The number of right wing terror attacks pales in comparison to Islamic terror attacks.

Also, in a thread about terrorists trying to blow up a "Draw Mohammed" party it is hard to credibly use the "all clear!" defense.
 
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Nobody is.
I'm surprised that anyone thinks radical Muslims have feelers....what, are they insects or something?
 
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I'm surprised that anyone thinks radical Muslims have feelers....what, are they insects or something?

You just insulted insects!!!!
 
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I'm surprised that anyone thinks radical Muslims have feelers....what, are they insects or something?

I for one welcome our new insect overlords. I’d like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.
 
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I agree.

Irrespective of my personal feelings on this, I unequivocally stand behind my fellow American's desire to exercise their right to free speech - period.

We're family, and we stick together for each other firstly.

(but also as family, I tell them when I think the're wrong, too)

Yup ... you may think the vehicle chosen to deliver the message is ugly but ...
 
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Again if these monsters in the middle east have no problem committing genocide against other groups of people, burning their religious books and destroying their holy sites then no one should give a rats ass about someone holding a lets draw their religious figure contest. The terrorist ball licking of how we shouldn't offend them should stop. These terrorists lost the right to complain about someone insulting their religion when they themselves insult other people's religions on a daily bases. This we shouldn't do something that offends these terrorists is nothing more than butt smooching the terrorists or tossing the salad (anal oral sex) of terrorists.

But the majority, the huge majority of Muslims are not monsters. That there are idiots burning books, idiots destroying holy sites, etc. etc. etc. does not say anything about the right of the hundreds of millions non-terrorists from complaining about insulting images of their prophet. You keep stating things about terrorists (who have indeed lost the right to complain about anything) but all the non-terrorists have rights too. Now we may not have to do anything with that but let's not pretend we are doing this to protect the right of free speech. We do this to protect the right of thumbing our nose at the feelings of others, which is fine if you want to do that, but let us be honest about it.

If someone insults the United States (as a foreigner) or has criticism of the USA as an American he/she will be attacked with fervor. And that criticism can be almost very extreme and very vitriolic. That is something that seems to be the norm.

You are going to whine how we shouldn't offending Muslims then you really have no room to cherry pick over what you can or can't do is offensive to other religions. Many of these things the left does to mock religious views of Christians is just as offensive as the depiction of Mohamed is to Muslims. It doesn't matter if you are doing to make a buck or hold a contest or because you think their religious book is no different than a Harry Potter book.

Yes, giving my opinion is whining :roll:

I don't cherry pick, I do not like offending anyone's religion. But when Family guy does an episode they are doing it in the form of humor and they do it against anyone and the same goes for South Park. The problem is that many of these "freedom of speech means I can paint whatever picture of Mohammed I want" supporters go insane when you criticize something they support or believe in. That is the way most people react.

And sorry, but there are many people (and in some countries that number goes up and up) who think all religious books are works of fiction. I am not going to compare it to Harry Potter books because I am a Potter fan ;)
 
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Yup ... you may think the vehicle chosen to deliver the message is ugly but ...
... in the cause of freedom, we stand together.
 
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There is enough evidence without creating more though... right?
The challenge is to the American people as to whether they will continue to protect the First Amendment and and free speech. You may not want to hear the opinion of others or to say someone's opinions are in bad taste, but that is not the issue. All Americans should support Geller and her right to express her opinion, hold her contests, or whatever she does within the law. If the KKK and the Wetboro Church has that right then Pamela Geller certainly has also.
 
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The challenge is to the American people as to whether they will continue to protect the First Amendment and and free speech. You may not want to hear the opinion of others or to say someone's opinions are in bad taste, but that is not the issue. All Americans should support Geller and her right to express her opinion, hold her contests, or whatever she does within the law. If the KKK and the Wetboro Church has that right then Pamela Geller certainly has also.

Why should we listen to you declare what all Americans should do? Climb down off your high horse. Do you need to have the wax cleaned out of your ears. Nobody has claimed that Geller doesn't have a right to speak her hate. But people have criticised the value of it and pointed out that she has gratuitously offended a religion, and her only pay check is her satisfaction of having provoked a group which she hates. Her actions also drew violence into the Dallas suburb. But hey, every bodies talking about her, Fox News is drooling over her, just like you, so I guess that's her advantage as well.
 
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Two guys? Islamists are an international problem.List of Islamic Terror Attacks on Christians

Only two guys attacked in this specific incident though... and that is all that is being discussed.

The challenge is to the American people as to whether they will continue to protect the First Amendment and and free speech. You may not want to hear the opinion of others or to say someone's opinions are in bad taste, but that is not the issue. All Americans should support Geller and her right to express her opinion, hold her contests, or whatever she does within the law. If the KKK and the Wetboro Church has that right then Pamela Geller certainly has also.

I never said that she doesn't have the right... I said that specifically targeting people that will act violently and that will kill innocent people is reckless and stupid.
 
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Why should we listen to you declare what all Americans should do? Climb down off your high horse. Do you need to have the wax cleaned out of your ears. Nobody has claimed that Geller doesn't have a right to speak her hate. But people have criticised the value of it and pointed out that she has gratuitously offended a religion, and her only pay check is her satisfaction of having provoked a group which she hates. Her actions also drew violence into the Dallas suburb. But hey, every bodies talking about her, Fox News is drooling over her, just like you, so I guess that's her advantage as well.


I think it is real shame that these people like Geller who are the equivalent of pro-wrestling in journalism get taken seriously by anybody with modicum of intelligence.
 
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Nobody has claimed that Geller doesn't have a right to speak her hate. But people have criticised the value of it

This ^^^
 
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The challenge is to the American people as to whether they will continue to protect the First Amendment and and free speech. You may not want to hear the opinion of others or to say someone's opinions are in bad taste, but that is not the issue. All Americans should support Geller and her right to express her opinion, hold her contests, or whatever she does within the law. If the KKK and the Wetboro Church has that right then Pamela Geller certainly has also.

No. I support her right to express her opinion. I do not support HER.
 
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Look at this tweet from the AP....

The Associated Press
@AP
Pamela Geller says she has no regrets about Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest that ended in 2 deaths

I mean, seriously? The deaths of WHO exactly, AP? Innocent people?

Also ... I wonder if the AP writes "Our Lord Jesus Christ" or "Jehovah God".
 
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Only two guys attacked in this specific incident though... and that is all that is being discussed.



I never said that she doesn't have the right... I said that specifically targeting people that will act violently and that will kill innocent people is reckless and stupid.

Interestingly, that's what Martin Luther King did by picking venues for protests that would draw the ire of those citizens there
 
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Interestingly, that's what Martin Luther King did by picking venues for protests that would draw the ire of those citizens there

Interesting but not analogous...
 
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Interestingly, that's what Martin Luther King did by picking venues for protests that would draw the ire of those citizens there

Yeah, Pam Geller is just like Dr. King.
 
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Interesting but not analogous...
Democrats had the same sentiment toward King that they are demonstrating today toward Geller. Some things never change
 
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So you believe they are inciting violence by drawing cartoons of Muhammad? What else incites extremist Muslims to be violent?

It doesn't seem to take much
 
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